TM2012 - "Almost Normal" (Game Over)
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Okay, w/e, I'll go next. It's ridiculous at this point.
I am the town tinkerer (inventor). I have certain one-shot abilities that I can distribute to any other player, one per night. They would then be able to use those abilities the following night. I can claim which abilities I had available, who I've given them to, and what I have left if necessary, but I'd rather keep that information close to the chest for the moment.
I will say however that masons, inventor, and vig in a 12-player game does seem town sided (although I am not a setup guru by any means), which was what prompted Reg to theorize that scum possibly had a neighborhood kill ability. I'm not saying Slan is scum, but I don't want to just take it for granted that he's town without examining all of the information available to us. Regardless, Sleepy and/or Mykonian is the lynch for today, no question.
I am the town tinkerer (inventor). I have certain one-shot abilities that I can distribute to any other player, one per night. They would then be able to use those abilities the following night. I can claim which abilities I had available, who I've given them to, and what I have left if necessary, but I'd rather keep that information close to the chest for the moment.
I will say however that masons, inventor, and vig in a 12-player game does seem town sided (although I am not a setup guru by any means), which was what prompted Reg to theorize that scum possibly had a neighborhood kill ability. I'm not saying Slan is scum, but I don't want to just take it for granted that he's town without examining all of the information available to us. Regardless, Sleepy and/or Mykonian is the lynch for today, no question.
Ythan, on my play: "Scummy and bad are not the same. Some players manage to keep them separate, though I applaud how masterfully you blend them."
Post tomorrow when I'm less tired.
Nope.
Elli claims first.
Then Nico claims what abilities he has. We're not having TEEHEE TINKER in LYLO without an abilities claim.
The order with which these two claim may not end up mattering. Actually there are probably minimal differences with when these two claim but well.
There is much that needs to be explained but we have the time for that.
Nope.
Elli claims first.
Then Nico claims what abilities he has. We're not having TEEHEE TINKER in LYLO without an abilities claim.
The order with which these two claim may not end up mattering. Actually there are probably minimal differences with when these two claim but well.
There is much that needs to be explained but we have the time for that.
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Fucking hell this stalling half claim refusing to claim bullshit is really starting to get annoying.
As we're fullclaiming today, someone should be able to confirm nico. I'd like some yes's or no's from slan and elli if their abilities seem to have come from an inventor type role and thus can confirm nico is not lying.
As we're fullclaiming today, someone should be able to confirm nico. I'd like some yes's or no's from slan and elli if their abilities seem to have come from an inventor type role and thus can confirm nico is not lying.
EXACTLY WE CAN CONFIRM NICO, OR AT LEAST WE KNOW WHO HIS BUDDY(s) ARE (he didnt give me an ability)
IT DOES NOT MATTER THAT HE DIDNT SHARE ABILITY USE WE ARE NOT TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF HES SCUM AT THIS POINT (hes not)
WE ARE JUST CLAIMING SO WE CAN ALL DISCUSS STUFF
KATS IS A SCUMBAG TRYING TO STALL THE MASSCLAIM
THIS IS NOT HAPPENING ON MY WATCH
KATS CLAIMS OR HE IS CONFSCUM JUST LIKE HIS BUDDY SLEEPY
END
OF
DISCUSSION.
IT DOES NOT MATTER THAT HE DIDNT SHARE ABILITY USE WE ARE NOT TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF HES SCUM AT THIS POINT (hes not)
WE ARE JUST CLAIMING SO WE CAN ALL DISCUSS STUFF
KATS IS A SCUMBAG TRYING TO STALL THE MASSCLAIM
THIS IS NOT HAPPENING ON MY WATCH
KATS CLAIMS OR HE IS CONFSCUM JUST LIKE HIS BUDDY SLEEPY
END
OF
DISCUSSION.
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Fate ( 4 ) katsuki, Slandaar, Nicodemus, Rhinox, (L - 3 )
katsuki ( 3 ) Fate, Untrod Tripod, Korts, (L - 4 )
Rhinox ( 1 ) mykonian (L - 6 )
SleepyKrew ( 1 ) Ellibereth (L - 6 )
Untrod Tripod ( 3 ) Gman, SleepyKrew, Crashtextdummie, (L -4)
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*** Korts ( 6 ) *** Rhinox, Crashtextdummie, katsuki, SleepyKrew, Untrod Tripod, Sotty7 (L - 1 )
mykonian ( 3 ) Slandaar, Fate, Korts, (L - 4 )
Nicodemus ( 1 ) mykonian (L - 6 )
Not Voting ( 2 ) Ellibereth Nicodemus,
HOW IS IT POSSIBLE SLEEPY AND KATS VOTE EVERY SINGLE TOWN WAGON GOING BUT THEY NEVER VOTED THE SCUM MYKO??? IS THIS JUST COINCIDENCE??? NO. THIS IS THE SCUM TEAM
CASE IN POINT FOR REFERENCE
WAGON 1
UT
Untrod Tripod ( 5 ) Gman, Rhinox, Crashtextdummie, mykonian, SleepyKrew,
AND WE ALL KNOW KATS PUT TO L-1
NEXT WAGON
FATE
Fate ( 5 ) katsuki, Slandaar, Nicodemus, mykonian SleepyKrew, (L - 2 )
THERE THEY ARE
NEXT WAGON
KORTS
Korts ( 4 ) Rhinox, Fate, Crashtextdummie, katsuki, (L - 3 )
Slandaar ( 3 ) Untrod Tripod, mykonian SleepyKrew, (L - 4 )
AT THE SAME TIME MY WAGON SPRANG FROM NOWHERE, BUT I CRUSHED THAT BS
NOTE SLEEPY ON ME KATS ON KORTS, I YELL AT PEOPLE KORTS UNVOTES LEAVING ONLY 1 TOWN ON MY WAGON IN UT SO THIS HAPPENS:
Korts ( 5 ) Rhinox, Fate, Crashtextdummie, katsuki, SleepyKrew, (L - 2 )
NEXT WAGON CTD
OK KATS DIDNT VOTE THIS ONE, BUT DIDNT NEED TO AT DEADLINE WITH TOWN/TOWN WAGONS IN CTD AND KORTS
*** Crashtextdummie ( 7 ) *** Sotty7 Korts, Fate, SleepyKrew, Untrod Tripod, Ellibereth Slandaar, (L - 0 )
NEXT WAGON
NICO VS KORTS VS MYKO
Korts ( 2 ) SleepyKrew, Sotty7 (L - 3 )
mykonian ( 2 ) Slandaar, Nicodemus, (L - 3 )
Nicodemus ( 3 ) Rhinox, katsuki, mykonian (L - 2 )
MAGIC THEY AVOID MYKO BUT VOTE THE OTHER 2?! STILL NO SCUM VOTES ON MYKO
*** Korts ( 5 ) *** SleepyKrew, Sotty7 Slandaar, Rhinox, katsuki, (L - 0 )
OH THERE THEY ARE
WAGON KATS
katsuki ( 3 ) Fate, Untrod Tripod, Korts, (L - 4 )
NEITHER MYKO OR SLEEPY IS INTERESTED IN JOINING THE ALL TOWN WAGON THAT IS SURPRISING THIS SHOULD BE A JUICY PROSPECT FOR SCUM SAME THING WITH MYKO WAGON EARLIER NO SCUM VOTED HIM EVER WHEN BOTH FATE AND I WANTED THE LYNCH.
THE CONNECTIONS ARE OBVIOUS.
THAT
IS
WAGON
ANALYSIS
SCUMBAGS
k, im done.
In the interests of fairness, myko did vote sleepy once upon a time, but that wagon was never going anywhere.
Nico is town, I am 100% sure, I will explain why after massclaim is finished.
katsuki ( 3 ) Fate, Untrod Tripod, Korts, (L - 4 )
Rhinox ( 1 ) mykonian (L - 6 )
SleepyKrew ( 1 ) Ellibereth (L - 6 )
Untrod Tripod ( 3 ) Gman, SleepyKrew, Crashtextdummie, (L -4)
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*** Korts ( 6 ) *** Rhinox, Crashtextdummie, katsuki, SleepyKrew, Untrod Tripod, Sotty7 (L - 1 )
mykonian ( 3 ) Slandaar, Fate, Korts, (L - 4 )
Nicodemus ( 1 ) mykonian (L - 6 )
Not Voting ( 2 ) Ellibereth Nicodemus,
HOW IS IT POSSIBLE SLEEPY AND KATS VOTE EVERY SINGLE TOWN WAGON GOING BUT THEY NEVER VOTED THE SCUM MYKO??? IS THIS JUST COINCIDENCE??? NO. THIS IS THE SCUM TEAM
CASE IN POINT FOR REFERENCE
WAGON 1
UT
Untrod Tripod ( 5 ) Gman, Rhinox, Crashtextdummie, mykonian, SleepyKrew,
AND WE ALL KNOW KATS PUT TO L-1
NEXT WAGON
FATE
Fate ( 5 ) katsuki, Slandaar, Nicodemus, mykonian SleepyKrew, (L - 2 )
THERE THEY ARE
NEXT WAGON
KORTS
Korts ( 4 ) Rhinox, Fate, Crashtextdummie, katsuki, (L - 3 )
Slandaar ( 3 ) Untrod Tripod, mykonian SleepyKrew, (L - 4 )
AT THE SAME TIME MY WAGON SPRANG FROM NOWHERE, BUT I CRUSHED THAT BS
NOTE SLEEPY ON ME KATS ON KORTS, I YELL AT PEOPLE KORTS UNVOTES LEAVING ONLY 1 TOWN ON MY WAGON IN UT SO THIS HAPPENS:
Korts ( 5 ) Rhinox, Fate, Crashtextdummie, katsuki, SleepyKrew, (L - 2 )
NEXT WAGON CTD
OK KATS DIDNT VOTE THIS ONE, BUT DIDNT NEED TO AT DEADLINE WITH TOWN/TOWN WAGONS IN CTD AND KORTS
*** Crashtextdummie ( 7 ) *** Sotty7 Korts, Fate, SleepyKrew, Untrod Tripod, Ellibereth Slandaar, (L - 0 )
NEXT WAGON
NICO VS KORTS VS MYKO
Korts ( 2 ) SleepyKrew, Sotty7 (L - 3 )
mykonian ( 2 ) Slandaar, Nicodemus, (L - 3 )
Nicodemus ( 3 ) Rhinox, katsuki, mykonian (L - 2 )
MAGIC THEY AVOID MYKO BUT VOTE THE OTHER 2?! STILL NO SCUM VOTES ON MYKO
*** Korts ( 5 ) *** SleepyKrew, Sotty7 Slandaar, Rhinox, katsuki, (L - 0 )
OH THERE THEY ARE
WAGON KATS
katsuki ( 3 ) Fate, Untrod Tripod, Korts, (L - 4 )
NEITHER MYKO OR SLEEPY IS INTERESTED IN JOINING THE ALL TOWN WAGON THAT IS SURPRISING THIS SHOULD BE A JUICY PROSPECT FOR SCUM SAME THING WITH MYKO WAGON EARLIER NO SCUM VOTED HIM EVER WHEN BOTH FATE AND I WANTED THE LYNCH.
THE CONNECTIONS ARE OBVIOUS.
THAT
IS
WAGON
ANALYSIS
SCUMBAGS
k, im done.
In the interests of fairness, myko did vote sleepy once upon a time, but that wagon was never going anywhere.
Nico is town, I am 100% sure, I will explain why after massclaim is finished.
Oh and more posting
Sotty suspected kats and to some extent myko
Sleepy was hung today, scum knew it hence mykos quick vote on him to gain any type of towncred, but the vote was too fast for town, town do not vote like that in lylo.
The scums plan I expect was;
Lynch Nico tomorrow by using Rhinox to vote him.
Simple, probably works. But Nicos town.
I doubt anyone can convince me this isnt the scum.
Sotty suspected kats and to some extent myko
Sleepy was hung today, scum knew it hence mykos quick vote on him to gain any type of towncred, but the vote was too fast for town, town do not vote like that in lylo.
The scums plan I expect was;
Lynch Nico tomorrow by using Rhinox to vote him.
Simple, probably works. But Nicos town.
I doubt anyone can convince me this isnt the scum.
He just knows myko is scum
And its obvious.
Why not ask why I shot UT not anyone else? its the instead of bit that drills home he knows mykos alignment ie he knows myko is scum and I shot the wrong person so hes pressing me on something only scum would.
so it really doesnt matter what kats claims hes scum
im 1shot vengeful
my role in the setup was clearly to give the town their 3rd kill which is standard and break numbers from odd to even.
Nico is town because there is no way he claims a role which doesnt fit with my original vig claim; noone is buying that im scum and hes town. Its suicide for him. This is why scum were not claiming, they had to claim VT due to me.
This is why I pressed so hard on claims.
Kats cant claim pr, he should have insta claimed once Nico claimed pr IF he were a pr.
Elli is town who used Nicos cop ability on myko
game.
over.
im 1shot vengeful
my role in the setup was clearly to give the town their 3rd kill which is standard and break numbers from odd to even.
Nico is town because there is no way he claims a role which doesnt fit with my original vig claim; noone is buying that im scum and hes town. Its suicide for him. This is why scum were not claiming, they had to claim VT due to me.
This is why I pressed so hard on claims.
Kats cant claim pr, he should have insta claimed once Nico claimed pr IF he were a pr.
Elli is town who used Nicos cop ability on myko
game.
over.
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Pretty sure I question that. Can't afford to lynch me at this point, that's just a lost game.
And I know this is some fucked up timing, but I'm probably not going to be very active in this game in the coming 4 days.
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prod skrew please.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/search.php?a ... 9&sr=posts
or we could just lynch him.
Explain now (and claim).
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I think slan's case all makes sense.
Even without any other claims, obv he was only a 1-shot vig a full vig in a 12p game is too much.
Nico I guess has to be town. Only other possibility is he could be scum with elli but his N2 action should be confirmable at the right time. I kinda think nico should claim he N2 target today to avoid any shenanigans later on with potential CC's to claimed inventor abilities should nico be killed tonight, and secondary to fully confirm him as an inventor (would erase all doubts in my mind of nico+elli scumteam if a second ability was confirmed received by a living player other than elli).
I believe elli did receive an ability from nico. However, I don't automatically believe that makes elli town and his result is true. This is lylo - elli
I'm still trying to reconcile kats being scum in my mind. It wasn't just me but my whole team who had a town read on kats from our neighbor QT. But POE says if Nico is town, and slan is town, and one of elli or myko is town, there's no way kats is not scum.
I don't see any holes in slan's case. I think skrew should be today's lynch. Fonz promised me some reads since we're in LyLo and he's already dead in his game, but he's waiting for massclaim to finish up. This stalling bullshit really needs to stop.
Even without any other claims, obv he was only a 1-shot vig a full vig in a 12p game is too much.
Nico I guess has to be town. Only other possibility is he could be scum with elli but his N2 action should be confirmable at the right time. I kinda think nico should claim he N2 target today to avoid any shenanigans later on with potential CC's to claimed inventor abilities should nico be killed tonight, and secondary to fully confirm him as an inventor (would erase all doubts in my mind of nico+elli scumteam if a second ability was confirmed received by a living player other than elli).
I believe elli did receive an ability from nico. However, I don't automatically believe that makes elli town and his result is true. This is lylo - elli
could
be scum who got an ability from town-nico and is faking a guilty in lylo. My team had a town read on myko since the start of the game, and nobody had anything to say about elli, so I'm going to have to discuss this with my team before I can just accept elli's result. With all scum still alive, taking a chance on a fake guilty 1v1 in lylo isn't really that risky compared to the reward of scum winning the game outright. I don't think I would lynch myko today, I'm more confident about a skrew lynch.I'm still trying to reconcile kats being scum in my mind. It wasn't just me but my whole team who had a town read on kats from our neighbor QT. But POE says if Nico is town, and slan is town, and one of elli or myko is town, there's no way kats is not scum.
I don't see any holes in slan's case. I think skrew should be today's lynch. Fonz promised me some reads since we're in LyLo and he's already dead in his game, but he's waiting for massclaim to finish up. This stalling bullshit really needs to stop.
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Unfortunately there is one hole in my case
Scum shot Sotty, which implies they had a plan today.
The 2 most likely lynches today were Sleepy and Nico but if one flips scum, the other becomes infinitely harder to lynch. (the scum could have tried lynching me but obv decided against)
So, if myko scum is bussing sleepy scum sleepy flips, the next day, what is their plan?
They kill 1 leave 3/4 Elli/Me/Rhinox/Nico. Who do they try to lynch?
Nico looks town based on hood status... im town, rhinox or Elli? and kill me?
That was their plan?
Seems pretty bad. Kats was relying on Rhinox protection? that was the plan? he still has to lynch someone else...
Like the scum plan seems so bad.
Then you get to the final part;
Maybe they just didnt think about the fact sleepyscum makes Nico look town. And this is what I currently am inclined to believe as everything else fits so well.
Fact is;
Myko/Sleepy/Kats have been VERY quiet in LYLO, myko being the loudest but he voted way too fast in lylo to be anything but scum, the other 2 are mice, they are not doing anything, at all.
Scum just waiting for something to happen.
Scum shot Sotty, which implies they had a plan today.
The 2 most likely lynches today were Sleepy and Nico but if one flips scum, the other becomes infinitely harder to lynch. (the scum could have tried lynching me but obv decided against)
So, if myko scum is bussing sleepy scum sleepy flips, the next day, what is their plan?
They kill 1 leave 3/4 Elli/Me/Rhinox/Nico. Who do they try to lynch?
Nico looks town based on hood status... im town, rhinox or Elli? and kill me?
That was their plan?
Seems pretty bad. Kats was relying on Rhinox protection? that was the plan? he still has to lynch someone else...
Like the scum plan seems so bad.
Then you get to the final part;
Maybe they just didnt think about the fact sleepyscum makes Nico look town. And this is what I currently am inclined to believe as everything else fits so well.
Fact is;
Myko/Sleepy/Kats have been VERY quiet in LYLO, myko being the loudest but he voted way too fast in lylo to be anything but scum, the other 2 are mice, they are not doing anything, at all.
Scum just waiting for something to happen.
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Can you stop calling me a lurker?
It's appreciated. Because it's bullshit.
I mean, I'm used to people finding all sorts of reasons to satisfy their gut feeling that I'm scum. Keep them real, and if you are actually good, try to figure out if that gut read actually makes sense. You aren't, you are just unable to understand that you could be wrong. You are wrong here. Stop tunneling.
It's appreciated. Because it's bullshit.
I mean, I'm used to people finding all sorts of reasons to satisfy their gut feeling that I'm scum. Keep them real, and if you are actually good, try to figure out if that gut read actually makes sense. You aren't, you are just unable to understand that you could be wrong. You are wrong here. Stop tunneling.
Surrender, imagine and of course wear something nice.