TM2012: Scummies 2011.5 - Let the credits roll!

[BBmolla]

It's probably Reck/T-Bone.

But I'm not lynching Reck today.

I want to say it's Zar but I don't feel like I can comfortably read him.

[BBmolla]

Slan you down to help me bus T-Bone?

[T-Bone]

You should help me on DV instead. Slandaar's entrance was just so much contrived bullshit...my gosh.

His posting, just like DV's is not about proving I'm scum. It's about twisting my words to make my case seem wrong. Everything Slandaar just posted screams scum who thinks he got caught for the wrong reasons.

He's trying to appease the 3 of you (BB, Reck, Zar) in order to get the one vote he needs (plus his buddy). He isn't trying to convince you that I'm scum. He's trying to convince you that my case on him is catching him for the wrong reasons, and thus I haven't caught him. Or something like that.

I'm not going back and forth with you Slandaar, sorry. Not flooding the thread with your BS. You can address me and quote me all you want, because all you're trying to do is make me freak out so you can go "trololololol flailing scum". Nothing I say is going to convince you otherwise because DV already committed to the T-Bone vote and you can't back down now. Of course if you want to bus your buddy for town cred, I'm all ears. lol on you calling yourself "Obvtowned" by the way. DV already dug your hole and you can't climb out.

BB, if you are Slandaar's buddy, please vote for me. If you aren't, please don't because then Zar or Reck will come in with a quick hammer.

BB, humor me, if DV is scum is Zar or Reck or me his partner?

Now, I find it interesting that Slandaar is pushing a Bone/BB pairing. Especially since DV all but wrote of BB as town. I feel as that is very significant. Obviously Slandaar has to do work so if we do lynch him his partner has a chance in 3P LyLo. Is he changing DV's stance on BB because they are scumbuddies, or to set up a BB mislynch in LyLo? He's also trying to curry Reck's vote all of a sudden, despite DV claiming his stance on Reck hasn't changed since Day 4.

Slandaar why aren't you trying to paint Zar as my scumbuddy as well? Trying to favor his vote because you think it'll be the most difficult to get? Or distancing from your buddy?

ARGH the problem here is that DV/Slandaar have created so much WIFOM that I have no idea who his partner is. The course is clear, Slandaar is the lynch. The problem is when Slandaar flips scum, most likely I have to be killed, leaving BB/Zar/Reck in 3P LyLo. I'm trying to give the two town among you the tools to make the right call, but help me out a little bit please. Scum lynches are so hard in LyLo.

[Lost Butterfly]

Day 5, Votecount 4 aka the 'I stop relying on Mina to keep the game running votecount'

DeasVail (1) - T-Bone
T-Bone (1) - DeasVail

Not Voting (3) - xRECKONERx, Zar, BBmolla

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch or no-lynch.

Deadline:

Wednesday, July 4th at 15:30 EST

Countdown:

(expired on 2012-07-04 15:30:53)

[xRECKONERx]

@Slan:

I see how that's confusing.

In 1114, I was looking at it from how the rest of the game would view the PoE.

Personally, I don't view the PoE that way. So when you tried to use my 1114 to convince me T-Bone was scum, I wasn't hearing it, because I don't buy that.

[xRECKONERx]

It's probably Reck/T-Bone.

But I'm not lynching Reck today.

I want to say it's Zar but I don't feel like I can comfortably read him.

When the fuck did you arrive at this conclusion?

[xRECKONERx]

I wish DV was still here to see what I'm about to do.

[T-Bone]

I do prefer DV, but Slandaar's change in stance on you and BB is very telling and you should look at that.

[Slandaar]

Summarize, why are the others so town that I'm scum because of PoE. I'm not reading all that garbage.

That wasn't how I got there.

You are the only living person to have given out the JK scummy to Quil.
Quil dies the night he receives it.
POE says you are scum.

[Slandaar]

He's trying to appease the 3 of you (BB, Reck, Zar) in order to get the one vote he needs (plus his buddy). He isn't trying to convince you that I'm scum. He's trying to convince you that my case on him is catching him for the wrong reasons, and thus I haven't caught him. Or something like that.

ARGH the problem here is that DV/Slandaar have created so much WIFOM that I have no idea who his partner is. The course is clear, Slandaar is the lynch. The problem is when Slandaar flips scum, most likely I have to be killed, leaving BB/Zar/Reck in 3P LyLo.

So I am the one appeasing while you sit there saying 'I dont know I dont know but Slands scum!'

Also; my case showed how you had targetted DV/Me for the lynch today, your analysis today was completely biased to voting DV, where it should if you were using the assumptions you had been using have been voting Zar.

You were not actually scumhunting. It is pretty clear.

[T-Bone]

It's only PoE when it's convenient to call other players scum. However when BB said he received a fake scummy after receiving the professor mafia scummy that DV's group gave him, and that DV had the ultimate power in that group, it's not convenient to to use PoE there. Nor is it convenient that DV was also in the group that gave the scummy to Hito, and then he died. Nor is it convenient that Reck received the other two scummies and is still alive, DV was not in either group that gave those to Reck.

Slandaar cannot use PoE to incriminate BB, because it incriminates him in pretty much the same manner.

And you analysis is biased towards me. But since it's you doing it that's okay too? Just like using PoE to incriminate BB is okay because you're the one doing it right?

Thanks for playing.

[Slandaar]

@Slan:

I see how that's confusing.

In 1114, I was looking at it from how the rest of the game would view the PoE.

Personally, I don't view the PoE that way. So when you tried to use my 1114 to convince me T-Bone was scum, I wasn't hearing it, because I don't buy that.

If you thought that, then why not just say that is why you can't be scum? No faith in the town?

[T-Bone]

You're damn right by the way. I knew straight away that I was going to push the DV lynch coming into the day. I have pretty much been on point this phase that I am going to vote DV and that my play today was going to be about finding DV's partner. I haven't waivered. But YOU have. You still haven't explained why you flip-floped on DV's reads.

Being biased does not equal scum.

[xRECKONERx]

I do prefer DV, but Slandaar's change in stance on you and BB is very telling and you should look at that.

You should look at this:

Vote: T-Bone

I had a really long ::effortpost:: about how I threw out suspicion on DV out of nowhere and T-Bone jumped on the bait like a rat on cheese but then my harddrive froze up again so fuck it, this is what you all get

lynch now please, I was pretty sure on this up until 1177 but now I'm 100000% sure

[BBmolla]

It's probably Reck/T-Bone.

But I'm not lynching Reck today.

I want to say it's Zar but I don't feel like I can comfortably read him.

When the fuck did you arrive at this conclusion?

Because you're a tricky bastard and I wouldn't catch you if you were scum here.

[Slandaar]

It's only PoE when it's convenient to call other players scum. However when BB said he received a fake scummy after receiving the professor mafia scummy that DV's group gave him, and that DV had the ultimate power in that group, it's not convenient to to use PoE there.

lol what?

Nor is it convenient that DV was also in the group that gave the scummy to Hito, and then he died.

Hito died a night AFTER he received the scummy. Big difference. IIRC it was mentioned in thread Hito received it

Nor is it convenient that Reck received the other two scummies and is still alive, DV was not in either group that gave those to Reck.

He had the weaker ones. Which you obviously knew as you gave out the second one which is pretty pointless. And as mentioned, Tunnel on Zar = leave alive. Zar is town.

Slandaar cannot use PoE to incriminate BB, because it incriminates him in pretty much the same manner.

Nope, as explained above.

And you analysis is biased towards me. But since it's you doing it that's okay too? Just like using PoE to incriminate BB is okay because you're the one doing it right?

Thanks for playing.

Biased? Well I know you are scum.

My analysis shows you are scum though. Where is your case on me? Well if I assume this and this then well yes!

Oh right

[T-Bone]

Wow you're kidding right? I agree with you about prefering DV over Slandaar and that's the quote that sends you over?

Slandaar was talking about TM Scumtells. How about this. DV was bragging about how he was talking to Slandaar is his TM quick topic. DV had pretty much ruled BB out as town, and seemingly his QT agrees as he has it down to Bone/Reck. Slandaar comes in and completely flip-flops because HE WANTS TO BUY YOUR VOTE. Slandaar changed up who my partner is because he wants your vote. And you fell for it.

If you're town, you definitely need to unvote.

[BBmolla]

BB, if you are Slandaar's buddy, please vote for me. If you aren't, please don't because then Zar or Reck will come in with a quick hammer.

BB, humor me, if DV is scum is Zar or Reck or me his partner?

T-Bone, who is scum if we're both town?

He's not scum. If he were scum it'd make most sense for him to be with me. I haven't looked at it that closely, but yeah.
If this is assuming I'm town, Zar is second, mainly because of DV's townread on Zar which I disagree with but whatevs.

[BBmolla]

ARGH the problem here is that DV/Slandaar have created so much WIFOM that I have no idea who his partner is. The course is clear, Slandaar is the lynch. The problem is when Slandaar flips scum, most likely I have to be killed, leaving BB/Zar/Reck in 3P LyLo. I'm trying to give the two town among you the tools to make the right call, but help me out a little bit please. Scum lynches are so hard in LyLo.

In what world does this seem likely to you T-Bone.

[BBmolla]

You are the only living person to have given out the JK scummy to Quil.
Quil dies the night he receives it.
POE says you are scum.

So him being a good nightkill regardless of power is irrelevent?

[xRECKONERx]

It's probably Reck/T-Bone.

But I'm not lynching Reck today.

I want to say it's Zar but I don't feel like I can comfortably read him.

When the fuck did you arrive at this conclusion?

Because you're a tricky bastard and I wouldn't catch you if you were scum here.

xxxxxxxxxxx, try again

[BBmolla]

Slandaar am I out right lying about the fake scummie? If so why did I make it up?

@Reck: That's literally my only reasoning. And is also why I'm not acting on it.

[xRECKONERx]

Slandaar was talking about TM Scumtells. How about this. DV was bragging about how he was talking to Slandaar is his TM quick topic. DV had pretty much ruled BB out as town, and seemingly his QT agrees as he has it down to Bone/Reck. Slandaar comes in and completely flip-flops because HE WANTS TO BUY YOUR VOTE. Slandaar changed up who my partner is because he wants your vote. And you fell for it.

what the hell are you talking about

Slandaar never flip flopped on anything

squirm moar

[xRECKONERx]

Slandaar am I out right lying about the fake scummie? If so why did I make it up?

@Reck: That's literally my only reasoning. And is also why I'm not acting on it.

Hammer T-Bone.

[T-Bone]

I'll tell ya BB, the only way you're scum is with DV/Slandaar. You're not scum with either Reck or Zar or me. I do think DV is the common denominator no matter what. If it's not you and me, then it's Reck. He just flipped for seemingly no reason. Plus, there we go his "hard drive fucked up' is his go-to excuse for not posting content. We're flooding the thread right now, but I have posted in the past why a DV/Reck scumteam works if it isn't you. They gave you the secret scummie, and because they had no idea what it did they gave you the fake scummy. BB, did your fake scummy have a name?

Which part BB?

Slandaar flip-flopped on DV's reads! DV ruled BB as pretty much town. Now Slandaar has decided that a Bone/Reck team is a tougher sell, and added BB as my partner instead. It is clear as fucking day Reck.