WWE Attitude Era 2.0 Game over nWo'd

[ThAdmiral]

Post 1 - somewhat ignores everything else, focuses on most recent posts. Classic scum move.

Examples. I've never heard of this as a scumtell before and would like to hear your reasons for it.

You mean the guy with the awful wagon on him that has been built up because of... sweet eff all? If I had to pick between you or Pidgey for the lynch, it would be you at the moment, even with you claiming vig, purely because even if it turned out you are a town vig, we'd at least not have someone taking out people who aren't scummy, while keeping those that legitimately are. In fact, a vig with poor judgement is as bad to town as scum are, perhaps more so, because while they're alive we are losing 2 town per night, rather than 1.

This is basically you saying "I don't care if you are town, I'm voting you anyway". So bad.

This is the type of logic that sounds reasonable enough to cause a mislynch. I can tell you that I will not be voting for a claimed PR over a role fisher - because, let's be honest, that's what Pidgey is doing for no logical reason that I can fathom.

Tbf to pidgey he was

flavour

fishing. I feel like he probably has a reason for it, maybe scum maybe town. Maybe he's a lyncher, maybe he's a guy looking for a partner and when he finds them they can become neighbors or something. That's my take on it.

I seriously don't get it... say TGG is revealed to be Cody Rhodes, to pull a name out of the wait, how is that going to benefit scum more than, assuming TGG is town, knowing TGG's role that's already been announced?

Look up for one possible reason. Don't assume you know all the mechanics of this game.

Well rolefishing isn't the right name...character fishing. If Pidgey was scum and his team WEREN'T given safe claims (which a few games I've been in haven't had them) knowing characters would be helpful. Though my Jason mod meta suggests that scum have safe claims but I'll have to look through my qts to confirm.

This is another good reason, although I will second the sentiment that it is highly likely jason has provided safeclaims from my experience.

Its already been stated that flavor has no bearing of any kind in this game. If someone has already claimed they role, they shouldnt be bothered to claim their name in any way. You see, there is no town OR scum motivation in what im doing at all, simply because what i gather of info has no importance in the actual game what so ever.

Do you seriously have no other motivation for asking for role names? (it's ok, you can tell me)

@ forehead: it would be cool if you were actually cm punk.

Forhead - Its [Retracted] For now.

Also I know my vote on Snake is shit. I've read games of his and Im just having some fun right now.

UNVOTE: Snake

What? I would have felt better about you if you stuck to your guns on this one. Snake genuinely is bad.

Also inte your posts are crap. And fake claiming and retracting later. Yeah not flying
VOTE: inte

What about his posts is "crap".
Also if you can explain why scum would fake claim vig then I would be interested in hearing it.

Edit: so basically I feel the same as pappums 103.

Completely ignoring both inte and Pidgey?

Nice.

Ok everyone, you heard Nexus - these are our only two options today.
and if you look at anyone else, ANYONE, you are CONFIRMED SCUM!!!!!!!!

Do I have to point out the obvious? Nexus also has a tendency to post overly aggressive when he is scum also. Although I have been surprised the white knighting hasn't begun by Le Prana too. Oh I'm not ignoring anyone I have no loyalty to anyone so I'm looking at who I want to look at currently.

I like this post. Especially the "white knighting" bit.
You've made a good first impression on me snake. Don't ruin it by lurking.

A vig is put into a set-up to WEAKEN the town, not strengthen them (though it's admittedly swingy)

This mafia theory intrigues me, but I disagree. Your conclusion that because there are more town, therefore a more likely chance to hit town, therefore shooting is bad for town falls down when you compare it to lynching. Lynching has exactly the same flaws but are you suggesting we shouldn't do that?

In any case in your post you have failed to mention quite a few other scenarios such as "if gg was lying and was scum" and "inte shoots elsewhere, hits scum". Just because you don't agree with inte's scum hunting, doesn't mean he is wrong. For example have you ever been in a game and have been convinced someone was town, only to find out later they'd been tricking you (i.e. playing well) all along?

[forehead7]

@ forehead: it would be cool if you were actually cm punk.

I'd be role playing if I was Punk (or Sandow for that matter).

[The Gobbledy Gooker]

Sorry weekends are busy for me.

Now, sure, including the word "impact" in the intro could just be Jason1981 messing with us, but I'm thinking it might mean that the Scum team is made up of TNA guys. If that's the case, flavor fishing is just as ill-advised as role fishing.

Stop this.

Actually all of #63 is pretty terrible. Jumping on the Swayer bandwagon on the back of Prana. Defending Pidgey while in the same post slapping him down (“Dude cut it out”)

Unvote, Vote: Lance

If Inte is actually going to use his power on TGG, that will prove the veracity of both claims at night. This is a good thing because most things that happen at night are bad for Town and good for scum. This also means we shouldn't need to waste time on debating this point as it is OBVIOUSLY the right thing to do and saves us the trouble of having to vote for either of them later on down the road - which is something we would be obligated to do anyway.

So tomorrow when inte is dead and flips hypotown vig you're gonna say “welp it was for the best”?

You're gonna have to convince me on how this is a good idea. Yes he reacts the claim, but this is some pretty messed up logic.

No comment on the flavor deal right now. We're currently in “hydra talks” about it. More ASAP. I think I have played with pidgey maybe once before but I don't remember him having an asshole gear. I'm not following the reason for the hostility. But I'm not finding Pidegy scummy at this point.

i

honestly

didnt like pidgey's eagerness to let me shoot the PGO

Yates was right there with him.

~Sotty

[Yates]

You're gonna have to convince me on how this is a good idea.

I don't have to convince you of anything since he reneged on his claim and now the point is moot.

[Yates]

Maybe he's a lyncher, maybe he's a guy looking for a partner and when he finds them they can become neighbors or something

Fair point.

[Yates]

This is a good thing because most things that happen at night are bad for Town and good for scum.

Bwuh? Have ye so little confidence in our power roles?

I really and truly do. I'm not going to go back and do the math but a thumb-in-the-wind estimate says bad things are about 400% more likely to happen at night than good things.

I have played with Inte and believe him when he says he will shoot TGG so I'm not ready to speculate beyond that.

Do you believe he's telling the truth about being a Vigilante even after his "retraction"?

Obviously not:

i have to stop you guys right now before you speculate any further

i retract my vig claim

???

WTF???

[PranaDevil]

You mean the guy with the awful wagon on him that has been built up because of... sweet eff all? If I had to pick between you or Pidgey for the lynch, it would be you at the moment, even with you claiming vig, purely because even if it turned out you are a town vig, we'd at least not have someone taking out people who aren't scummy, while keeping those that legitimately are. In fact, a vig with poor judgement is as bad to town as scum are, perhaps more so, because while they're alive we are losing 2 town per night, rather than 1.

This is basically you saying "I don't care if you are town, I'm voting you anyway". So bad.

Actually it's more "on the off chance you're town, we at least would be harming ourselves less than if we accidentally lynched absolutely anyone else". But feel free to change what I said by all means.

Forhead - Its [Retracted] For now.

Also I know my vote on Snake is shit. I've read games of his and Im just having some fun right now.

UNVOTE: Snake

What? I would have felt better about you if you stuck to your guns on this one.

Snake genuinely is bad

.

Note the bolded, just the bolded.

Completely ignoring both inte and Pidgey?

Nice.

Ok everyone, you heard Nexus - these are our only two options today.
and if you look at anyone else, ANYONE, you are CONFIRMED SCUM!!!!!!!!

Not what he said, and you are instantly brought to the top list of suspects for attempting to claim that's what he said.

Do I have to point out the obvious? Nexus also has a tendency to post overly aggressive when he is scum also. Although I have been surprised the white knighting hasn't begun by Le Prana too. Oh I'm not ignoring anyone I have no loyalty to anyone so I'm looking at who I want to look at currently.

I like this post. Especially the "white knighting" bit.
You've made a good first impression on me snake. Don't ruin it by lurking.

First, you've twisted what Snake said, and hoping people misread the white-knighting bit. To re-phrase it though, he's said "I'm surprised Prana

hasn't

been white knighting", so erm... yeah, obviously attempting to swing anything to try and make it stick here. If in doubt, make a bunch of guys look deliberately bad by twisting words, and making shit up, and then you can lynch whichever one works... right?

And remember the bolding earlier people? Where he said "Snake is genuinely bad"? How can Snake be "bad" AND have "made a good first impression"? It's one or the other, they're not opinions that can be seperated here.

A vig is put into a set-up to WEAKEN the town, not strengthen them (though it's admittedly swingy)

This mafia theory intrigues me, but I disagree. Your conclusion that because there are more town, therefore a more likely chance to hit town, therefore shooting is bad for town falls down when you compare it to lynching. Lynching has exactly the same flaws but are you suggesting we shouldn't do that?

In any case in your post you have failed to mention quite a few other scenarios such as "if gg was lying and was scum" and "inte shoots elsewhere, hits scum". Just because you don't agree with inte's scum hunting, doesn't mean he is wrong. For example have you ever been in a game and have been convinced someone was town, only to find out later they'd been tricking you (i.e. playing well) all along?

Whether you "disagree" or not makes no odds. A vig is put into a set-up to WEAKEN town, because it's rare a vig will hit scum over town. Also, it's not the same as lynching in any way, shape, or form. A vig shoots whoever "they" wish. With a lynch, we lynch whoever the town as a whole wishes, and we can look over everyone's reasons for it and weigh them up. With a vig we don't get to do that as town. Yes a good vig is hugely beneficial to town... inte would not make a good vig, in fact inte would be highly likely to shoot me or Pidgey based on the whole "they're voting me" reasons, whereas a good vig should never do that.

And yeah, I ignored those scenarios because... y'know, TGG might be scum, but they'd have likely argued the position more if they were, they'd have more than likely pointed out how it would be bad for town to "knowingly" lose the vig surely? TGG wouldn't have sat back and allowed a vig to shoot them if they were lying scum, not a chance.

As for the final point you made, of course it's happened. It's happened about 99% less than seeing people be 100% on a scum only for them to flip town. But then... you know this, and you're talking bullshit to try and avoid the fact that the reasons I gave blow the "vig is good for town" crap out of the water, and have conveniently ignored my final point about it as well, namely that "I thought inte was lying scum", and hey... he's already admitted to the lying part, which he did IMMEDIATELY after I stated that if he didn't shoot TGG he would be tomorrow's lynch, so what else does it take to prove he's a lying scum?

[inte]

Your 2nd last paragraph is complete WIFOM

[I Am Innocent]

What wrestler are you dude

Okay with this.

LOL

He claimed his role already

The wrestler he is is flavor only, according to rules.
Im just curious.

This too.

Seriously, i want to know which ****ing wrestler are you if you already claimed your role.

Still no problem.

Cool

I just want to know what ****ing wrestlers there are in this game, man

. I really like wrestling, only reason I joined this game. lol

Underlines is where my gut is getting a little queazy.

If that was the only reason for you asking, why not wait until a player flips? Why the need to know now?

I assumed you wanted to see if there was a correlation between the wrestler and the power, which I myself was wondering. But the curiosity thing, I don't buy it.

Will finish catching up, but as of this point, my #1 suspect right now.

[I Am Innocent]

Okay.. I didn't think the curiosity about the name was anything to consider scummy, his #34 seemed far too defensive to me though.. :/

FoS: Pidgey.

Post 34 felt defensive? Not to split hairs, but 33 or 37 I'd agree with. And why no vote, feels like possible distancing without officially bussing.

Do you have a habit of not participating in RVS? Can you link me to a game where you do this?

Im not rolefishing at all.

You could say im flavor fishing, which has nothing to do with roles or allignment.

So why did earlier say it was a curiosity about what wrestlers are in the game vs flavor fishing? Why the deception?

rolefishing

town motivation

hows that work brody?

Well we already know the role, so it's sort of understandable to want to know who the hydra is claiming to be

I just don't think pidgey would be stupid enough to be so obnoxious as scum.

So why do you think he wasn't fully honest earlier?

Im not rolefishing at all.

You could say im flavor fishing, which has nothing to do with roles or allignment.

This.

The role was already revealed. You say you're a fan of the subject material so it's totally understandable that you'd want to know the character.

Same question for you?

*****************

Consider me a fan of Sawyers post 51.

*************

Sawyer: Thats me getting in the conversation between IaI, Elmo, and Gobbledy.

Also, i really dont know if they would both die if they are both town telling the truth. I figured only the vig would die in this case.

also LOL NERVOUS EXCUSE, not really. I really just want to know which wrestlers are in the game. Ever since ****ing post 11. If someone is gonna be claiming a fkn role, theres nothing bad in asking their wrestler flavor, too.

Your timing on joining my wagon, while also asking players why they did, is noted though.

unvote: vote sawyer

Bad post, bad vote.

Question for you, if only one of Inte and Gobbledy Gook were town, who do you think it would be? I'd lean towards Inte with Gobbledly Gook a possibly scum aligned paranoid cop owner. So a town vig dies and Gobbledy Gook only proves they are a paranoid cop owner with alignment still unknown and you think that is a good thing?

Once again, I still see a disconnect between "wanting to know which ones are in the game" to "wanting to know their flavor"

[I Am Innocent]

PGOs don't die if they're targetted, iirc. It's a great fakeclaim for a Serial Killer to pull, as it means he won't be targetted for the NK and can coast to the end. Most PGOs, from what I know, are lynched regardless before LYLO

If most PGO's are lynched regardless before LYLO, why is that a great fakeclaim for a Serial Killer?

Put that together, and I'm definitely not liking the Pidgey wagon. It stinks to high hell. The only negative towards Pidgey is the OMGUS vote towards Sawyer.

What do you think about Pidgey giving multiple reasons for wanting to know what wrestler GG is?

WWE recently announced JasonT1981 would take over head of creative and he went right to making an

impact!

Now, sure, including the word "impact" in the intro could just be Jason1981 messing with us, but I'm thinking it might mean that the Scum team is made up of TNA guys. If that's the case, flavor fishing is just as ill-advised as role fishing.

For someone who has not followed wrestling since the early WWF days and only joined this game to play Sotty, can you explain a little more about this TNA thing? Also, if that is a way of catching scum, how would flavor fishing be as ill-advised as role fishing?

Man, you're really going out of your way to make Pidgey sound bad, aren't you? Found yourself an easy target already, huh?

VOTE: Sawyer

I'm inclined to give Pidgey the benefit of the doubt here.

How is rolefishing ill-advised and pidgey not being scum lined up in your mind? And then to go against his main attacker with a vote?

That's true. The only real time someone would quickhammer is if their scum. I see your point. Good thinking.

So why no vote as of this point?

Well rolefishing isn't the right name...character fishing. If Pidgey was scum and his team WEREN'T given safe claims (which a few games I've been in haven't had them) knowing characters would be helpful. Though my Jason mod meta suggests that scum have safe claims but I'll have to look through my qts to confirm.

What do you mean by safe claims?

WAIT WTF

HOW DID YOU KNOW zzz

im really scared of pappums right now

I would like the answer to this as well.

NM, I saw your answer.

i

honestly

didnt like pidgey's eagerness to let me shoot the PGO

seconded.

unvote WrathChild
vote Pidgey

Also okay with the Lance wagon at this point. I am not on board with the inte or Sawyer wagons at all.

[CJMiller]

WWE recently announced JasonT1981 would take over head of creative and he went right to making an

impact!

Now, sure, including the word "impact" in the intro could just be Jason1981 messing with us, but I'm thinking it might mean that the Scum team is made up of TNA guys. If that's the case, flavor fishing is just as ill-advised as role fishing.

For someone who has not followed wrestling since the early WWF days and only joined this game to play Sotty, can you explain a little more about this TNA thing?

TNA is a wrestling promotion that's currently viewed as the best competitor to WWE.

i

honestly

didnt like pidgey's eagerness to let me shoot the PGO

Neither did I.

VOTE: Pidgey

[ThAdmiral]

First, you've twisted what Snake said, and hoping people misread the white-knighting bit. To re-phrase it though, he's said "I'm surprised Prana

hasn't

been white knighting", so erm... yeah, obviously attempting to swing anything to try and make it stick here. If in doubt, make a bunch of guys look deliberately bad by twisting words, and making shit up, and then you can lynch whichever one works... right?

Ha. I read it as though he said you had been white knighting. Which you have been, vigorously, for pidgey.

And remember the bolding earlier people? Where he said "Snake is genuinely bad"? How can Snake be "bad" AND have "made a good first impression"? It's one or the other, they're not opinions that can be seperated here.

Genuinely bad player. Has made a good impression on me in this game. It's not contradictory.

Whether you "disagree" or not makes no odds. A vig is put into a set-up to WEAKEN town, because it's rare a vig will hit scum over town.

I'm interested to see where you learned this, because I've always felt the opposite, and as far as I can tell from a mafia design standpoint, I believe my stance is the generally accepted one.

so what else does it take to prove he's a lying scum?

As I asked before: tell me why you think a scum aligned player would fake claim vig? Unless they know there is no vig in the game, they're basically signing their own death sentence.

Not what he said, and you are instantly brought to the top list of suspects for attempting to claim that's what he said.

I thought I was already there, lol.
In any case it might not be

exactly

what he said but he seems to think that anyone who doesn't comment on those two people are scum. He still hasn't explained why that is.

[David Xanatos]

Just took delivery of a new computer, the wireless network card isn't installed yet, the guy forgot, will be fixed tonight, until then, can't read. Just a minor update to avoid prod/replace.

[jasonT1981]

Kublai Khan has asked to be replaced. A replacement has been advertised for.

[pidgey]

So why did earlier say it was a curiosity about what wrestlers are in the game vs flavor fishing? Why the deception?

Fuck off, IaI. ITS EXACTLY THE SAME THING. Flavor fishing = Curiosity

Question for you, if only one of Inte and Gobbledy Gook were town, who do you think it would be? I'd lean towards Inte with Gobbledly Gook a possibly scum aligned paranoid cop owner. So a town vig dies and Gobbledy Gook only proves they are a paranoid cop owner with alignment still unknown and you think that is a good thing?

Why would a PGO be scum? This is a bad point and you should feel bad for thinking it. Sure, Inte looks more town, ill give you that. But if TGG was scum he is NOT a PGO. (INB4 you ask the question "HOW DO U KNOW DIS!!!"

And o my god shut up about a "disconnection". Its the fucking same thing if I say "wanting to know which ones are in the game" to "wanting to know their flavor".

Anyway, I have cero problem to claim at least my wrestler at this point.

I am Seth Rollins.

Seth

FUCKING

Rollins. I dont even know who this fucker was before I got my PM. I watch monday fucking night RAW almost weekly, read dirt sheets, and generally watch pay per view and read smackdown results too. I was excited to get my PM and get an awesome role like The Undertaker or maybe even Kane. Hell id be fine with someone like Alberto del Rio or Zack. I would even take some jobber like Drew Mcintire.

But instead I got this Son of A Bitch... The NXT champion.

If you think im making this wrestler up then you can suck a dick. You can think its my fakeclaim i dont care, but yeah, I got this asshole as my claim and it pissed me off greatly.

So yeah I wanted to see what stupid ass wrestlers were in the game.

[I Am Innocent]

ITS EXACTLY THE SAME THING. Flavor fishing = Curiosity
.
.
.
So yeah I wanted to see what stupid *** wrestlers were in the game

Why not ask everyone their wrestler then? Why just TGG if it was strictly curiosity?

Why would a PGO be scum? This is a bad point and you should feel bad for thinking it. Sure, Inte looks more town, ill give you that. But if TGG was scum he is NOT a PGO. (INB4 you ask the question "HOW DO U KNOW DIS!!!"

"Paranoid Gun Owners are more often Town than scum."

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... _Gun_Owner

[inte]

Why are you getting so mad over a male soap opera.

I think I'm getting a theme idea for Days of Our Lives mafia

[pidgey]

Why the hell would I want EVERYONE to claim?

He on the other hand had already roleclaimed. There was no harm that I could think off after he claimed his role because ITS STATED IN THE RULES THAT FLAVOR PAYS NO KIND OF IMPORTANCE, WHAT SO EVER, OVER ALLIGNMENT ETC ETC ETC.

[I Am Innocent]

So did inte with his fake claim. Why didn't your curiousity lead you to ask him as well when he said he was a vig?

[inte]

For something that appears to be so trivial why are you making such a big deal about it? You'll find out what characters there are form flips etc.

[pidgey]

I asked TGG first , then both TGG and inte started voting me for it after I asked TGG his name again. I figured he was not gonna tell me since he was voting me for asking someone else???????

I also just realized that TGG did NOT vote me the first opportunity he had when I had already asked what his wrestler name was, and he only voted me after the second time I asked. He is probably lying about being a PGO, now that I think of it. If me asking his wrestler was so scummy, then why did he voted me until the second time I asked?

A PGO that is scum alligned is probably one of the worse ideas ive heard, by the way.

Inte- Im actually not making a big deal out of it. I just asked out of curiosity and then everyone fucking pointed they swords and guns and dildos at me. I keep talking about it because PEOPLE ARE STILL VOTING ME BECAUSE OF THIS SUBJECT. If they'd drop it, i would drop it.

[SnakePlissken]

First, you've twisted what Snake said, and hoping people misread the white-knighting bit. To re-phrase it though, he's said "I'm surprised Prana

hasn't

been white knighting", so erm... yeah, obviously attempting to swing anything to try and make it stick here. If in doubt, make a bunch of guys look deliberately bad by twisting words, and making shit up, and then you can lynch whichever one works... right?

Ha. I read it as though he said you had been white knighting. Which you have been, vigorously, for pidgey.

And remember the bolding earlier people? Where he said "Snake is genuinely bad"? How can Snake be "bad" AND have "made a good first impression"? It's one or the other, they're not opinions that can be seperated here.

Genuinely bad player. Has made a good impression on me in this game. It's not contradictory.

Whether you "disagree" or not makes no odds. A vig is put into a set-up to WEAKEN town, because it's rare a vig will hit scum over town.

I'm interested to see where you learned this, because I've always felt the opposite, and as far as I can tell from a mafia design standpoint, I believe my stance is the generally accepted one.

so what else does it take to prove he's a lying scum?

As I asked before: tell me why you think a scum aligned player would fake claim vig? Unless they know there is no vig in the game, they're basically signing their own death sentence.

Not what he said, and you are instantly brought to the top list of suspects for attempting to claim that's what he said.

I thought I was already there, lol.
In any case it might not be

exactly

what he said but he seems to think that anyone who doesn't comment on those two people are scum. He still hasn't explained why that is.

I would suggest that Im not a bad player, just lazy recently, but due to IRL circumstances I feel I had been justified.

Anyway, to also cover a Prana point, the Vig only weakens the town if they are a VI in the role, otherwise they can be a useful source of scum hunting. Sure they can take out town on a whim, but the flip side is they can also get lucky and hit scum. Only a narrow minded view and someone who was trying to get town to lynch a perspective problem for them would worry about this.

For now though there is a serious push on Pidgey for weaksauce reasoning I think I need to do a re-read on what caused this.

[SnakePlissken]

BTW aren't we meant to be posting move set to vote? i.e. Powerbomb Jasont1981? Much more fun that way.

[jasonT1981]

BTW aren't we meant to be posting move set to vote? i.e. Powerbomb Jasont1981? Much more fun that way.

Yes, I will accept wrestling moves for votes too, as long as they are bolded in the same format as votes