Okay, so, this was the Thor wagon:
Thor665 (11): Ser Panda, Ser Panda, Knight of Cydonia, Knight of Cydonia, Quilford, Quilford, DoomYoshi, DoomYoshi, whispersilk, Arugula, WrathChild
1st Vote on this wagon actually comes from Wrathchild during the RVS at
#25. Wrathchild has no more posts in thread until after Thor is already hammered. This vote was apparently overlooked by everyone, including the Mod., in his vote counts up to the point when Thor was actually lynched. IceGuy had Ser Panda with the initial votes on Thor (this confused me no end when I was doing this at first). This ends up making no actual difference as Argule cast 2 votes when he "hammered" so even if Wrath had not been voting, Thor would still have been lynched. This was a random vote and is basically null. The fact Wrathchild had no more posts until after the hammer also can't really be read into as this turned out to be an extraordinarily quick wagon.
Ser Panda: votes came at
#94 + #95, and never moved. Thor was hammered as of post #157 on the same day. As I said, I didn't really realize it at the time, but that's insanely fast. Panda's reasons to vote Thor were because Thor questioned him about a vote for Sir Bastion when Thor himself was voting for Sir Bastion, and because he felt Thor's question suggested Thor believed Bastion would flip Town. I have no issues with these votes. They were early, he had an articulable reason for the votes, and he defended them later. His votes were also first, which is something.
KoC: votes came at
#96. Basically, he just agrees with Ser Panda here. These are kind of null to me. I can see an opportunistic scum doing this, I can see a Townie who agreed with Ser Panda doing this. It's also still early, as in, Thor was not yet in danger of being lynched, so voting is going to be looser.
Quilford votes come at
#102. These kind of stink. It's more pure waggoning. Third on - for whatever that's worth. Doesn't express exactly what he is agreeing with either, just "Hell yes" and then announces he will be gone for the rest of the day. In his defense, he probably could not have anticipated that Thor would get lynched just 50 posts later. These are more Red flag type votes which, coupled with other evidence, could lead to a Quilford vote, but given the way this wagon went, I doubt any of these votes are going to be concrete evidence.
Gooner weighs in at
#120. I kind of like this post because (1) he's not ignoring the situation, and (2) he's still got a substantive comments. He's more reflecting and less rushing to judgement, which is indicative of Townie mindset. He's leaning towards Ser Panda's side of the argument (which I agree with) but not to the point where he feels a vote on Thor is better than votes on others whom he suspected more (which is reasonable). All in all, good post.
StrangerCoug posts at
#122. He appears to come down strongly on the "pro-Thor" side of this equation, to the point of voting for Ser Panda. I don't particularly like this post. Not just because I don't agree with it, but also because it seems like an overly strong reaction to the point Ser Panda was making. Even if you disagree (or don't feel the case is enough to place a vote on (like Gooner), I don't see where Ser Panda comes off scummy looking in that whole exchange with Thor.
DoomYoshi votes at
#134. There has been a back and forth between Thor and Panda about whether Thor's initial votes for Sir Bastion were random or not. DoomYoshi appears to be questioning why Thor is still voting for Sir Bastion if his initial reasons were "RVS." Frankly, Thor was enabling these kind of attacks by quibbling whether his votes were Random or not and then by dismissing whether he ought to have unvoted Sir Bastion even if they were random - despite the fact that Bastion reached L-1 or 2 very quickly. However, Thor DID say, in #112, that his current voting for Sir Bastion was NOT totally random and he didn't think Bastion was Town and that was why he was keeping the votes on. So, in that context DoomYoshi's reasons for this vote appear outdated and incorrect.
DCLXVI posts at
#139. He is also questioning the apparent contradiction of Thor claiming he's voting someone he thinks is scum vs. his claim he was just random voting. Again, Thor was unfortunately enabling this kind of stuff so there's not a lot that can be read into this. I think this question was reasonable, and DCL didn't immediately jump on the wagon.
Nero Cain posts in #142, but has nothing to say about Thor or Ser Panda. That can sometimes be a Red Flag. In this case there was a simultaneous wagon going on on Argula, however, which he was commenting about so that muddies the waters a bit.
Whispersilk votes in
#150. This vote is very similar to the Quilford vote earlier. Pure wagon with no comment and an excuse that he'll be gone until later. Red Flag.
Argula hammers in #157.
As an addendum, Wrathchild comes back and votes Thor at
#202. Basically saying he agrees with Ser Panda. Wrathchild is "catching up" and posting as he goes, and seemingly is unaware that Thor has already been hammered at this point. I don't really have an opinion on this except that if it's true, it's poor form. You ought to catch yourself up before posting, and I am not a fan of "post as you go" walls.
My opinion of this wagon is that the Quilford and Whispersilk votes look the worst. Then KoC's and DoomYoshi's. Wrathchild's "catch up vote" is kind of a null. The "Towniest" votes were the first votes from Ser Panda.
Of the people not on the wagon (who posted and there were many people who didn't post at all), I think Gooner's post looks the towniest. StrangerCoug's the worst.
Given that the Argula wagon was happening simultaneuosly, I want to look at that one next, and see if there is anything there to add to this.
