League of Legends (Old)

[hitogoroshi]

I would appreciate the nonranked player to quit telling the silver/gold guy to practice his mechanics. Its incredibly rude and im getting kinda sick of it.

"Don't you tell me I should work on my weightlifting, I've only ever seen you lift two pounds and I can lift three whole pounds :<"

It's not at all rude to say we all need practice, because literally no one here is a good league of legends player by any objective measure.

[Brandi]

I can't agree with that. I think many of you guys are what could be considered "good" or "decent"

[JDodge]

Thanks, haha.
To elaborate on my question, ... I mean like, do I max his heal first or his W first?
Is Frozen Heart really core on Taric over aegis? (I see it everywhere just like with blitz <_<)
All the guides I read say different things. >:I

I don't like frozen heart personally because Taric is extremely good as an aura whore. Max W first, I usually get two points in his heal by 4 and then go straight W from there (E at 1). Chances are if you feel the need to max heal because of the lane you've already lost the lane (and the armor might help you more).

[DoubleJD]

I made a comment about your skill level, just like you made a comment about mine. That seems fair. If we're not supposed to do that because its rude, then lets not

I dont see what your argument is here dodge. You agree with me right up until you say getting ganked doesnt matter, because the enemy team will feed a ton. Well ok i guess, but you cant really control the enemy's feeding.

[Flameaxe]

I'm terrible.

Zito is worse. And not a person.

Fuck scot. He's a foggest.

[Andrius]

LOL at the people who refuse to realize what Taric truly is- A MANLY MAN.


Taric is played as a Jungler.
Start Regrowth and One Pot, which you may or may not need to survive blue depending on the level of the leash. Start W, using it as your main source of damage in the jungle. Rank up Q second, since it works wonders with its built-in CDR. Your passive will also help after your first blue. Take E second. Max W because even if you're useless (aka never) the passive armor/armor reduction is amazing.

Get Boots. Mobi boots are for chumps. Buy G/10s and grow some chesthair. Its time to gank. Build like the tanky-ass mofo you know you are. If you're fed then build whatever the hell you want because Triforce is lulzy and good as is Gunblade. (Also the slow.)

ALWAYS REMEMBER- your heal lowers its CD based on AAs. So always be attacking things in ganks. Your pitiful ADC and "Support" that can't be as OUtRAGEOUS as YOU don't know how awesome your heals are until you save them multiple times. You can rank up Heal/Stun based on what you want more. Personally I leave Heal at Lv.2 and then max Stun for CDR.


edit: Laugh at the people who laugh at you. Nothing's better than carrying your team to victory, especially as JUNGLE MANRIC.

[JDodge]

I made a comment about your skill level, just like you made a comment about mine. That seems fair. If we're not supposed to do that because its rude, then lets not

I dont see what your argument is here dodge. You agree with me right up until you say getting ganked doesnt matter, because the enemy team will feed a ton. Well ok i guess, but you cant really control the enemy's feeding.

I don't agree with you. He's not immobile. His entire problems stem from the fact that his lane is less safe than Ezrael, Corki, or Graves at a level where safety is extremely highly valued.

[JDodge]

Also, Brandi, people will tell you Taric has mana problems. People who tell you Taric has mana problems have no clue how to manage a mana pool appropriately.

[Flameaxe]

Andy.


You're one of my favorites.

[scotmany12]

I'm terrible.

Zito is worse. And not a person.

Fuck scot. He's a foggest.

At least I take games seriously and never quit my team.

[Ranmaru]

I like this guy. There is no I in team.

Also I'm a nublet at this game, still trying to improve however I can.

Jungle Manric?

[Brandi]

Thank you, Andy. I will take your guide to heart as I remember the fun times I had playing Sejuani support.

[Knight of Cydonia]

Raid-Boss Taric.

[Andrius]

Andy.


You're one of my favorites.

BBM.


You're not. BECAUSE THE BLOOD STILL CRIES OUT TO ME- I HAVE NOT FORGOTTEN.

I'm terrible.

Zito is worse. And not a person.

Fuck scot. He's a foggest.

At least I take games seriously and never quit my team.

the bruns, men, the sick bruns!

I like this guy. There is no I in team.

Also I'm a nublet at this game, still trying to improve however I can.

Jungle Manric?

Jungle Manric is both amazing and OUTRAGEOUS.

Thank you, Andy. I will take your guide to heart as I remember the fun times I had playing Sejuani support.

Doubleult FTW!

[InflatablePie]

Thanks, haha.
To elaborate on my question, ... I mean like, do I max his heal first or his W first?
Is Frozen Heart really core on Taric over aegis? (I see it everywhere just like with blitz <_<)
All the guides I read say different things. >:I

EQWQWR. Then, max W usually; if you really need the extra heals (or the less common: they're running a really weird teamcomp with an AP bot) max Q.

I personally don't like to build FHeart on Taric only because he doesn't always get close enough to the other ADC in a teamfight. Get it if you're the closest thing to a true tank on the team, otherwise build Zeke's and Aegis - those will help your carry better, which is your job as a support. Plus, Shureyla's and Randuin's give you 20% CDR already; Zeke's gives 15% and you can get the other 5% from masteries if you really need it.

p.s. - solo top bruiser taric is better

[Hinduragi]

I would appreciate the nonranked player to quit telling the silver/gold guy to practice his mechanics. Its incredibly rude and im getting kinda sick of it.

What is safer than a ad carry that crushes lane like draven? If you're saynig its because hes bad in team fights...you've just reached the point im arguing :3

I highly doubt 2400 elo players cant position well enough to play draven. Therefore, there must be something aside from his early game thats holding him back. That is late game.

Hi, I'm somewhere around your elo. I don't know what elo you are but anyways here, on Mafiascum, people know more than I do about this game, though perhaps not as much about things like AD Carries. You always have something to learn. ELO is not a measure of fucking knowledge about the game or skill, it's a measure of your progression. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Hinduragi]

Don't condescend to me

Hello MuffinQT

[Oversoul]

How the hell do you jungle as skarner.

[DoubleJD]

I dont disagree. I never said i knew everything, nor did i say i didnt have anything to learn. Im responding to "GO PRACTICE YOUR MECHANICS" from someone incorrectly assuming i dont know how to cs. Nothing more, nothing less. If he assumes i cant cs, ill go ahead and assume hes bad for not being ranked. Its the same type of assumption really.

Are you sure that you guys arent the ones that are refusing to learn though? Are corki/ez/graves REALLY the top 3 ad carries atm? The last tournament implies otherwise. Is draven good? Again, the last tournament implies otherwise. He shouldnt need an escape for laning, considering these guys use the 2v1 top and bot meta...it should be pretty safe in lane. Its safe enough for a vayne to farm in, and for a kog to farm in. Considering all the warding that goes on as well, id say escapes in addition to flash arent that important in lane. In teamfights though with brusiers dashing to you though...

But ok. Im gonna go ahead and drop this. Its clear there is a refusal to really intelligently talk about this from at least one side...whether you think thats me or not. By all means, play draven.

[Hinduragi]

I pretty much tl;dr'd everything you guys said but from what I did read you're comparing tournament play to solo queue. They're 2 entirely different settings of play. You can't compare one to the other.

[Flameaxe]

Telling someone to practice mechanics != assuming you don't know how to cs... It assumes you could cs better.

For what its worth, you are coming across super condescend compared to everyone else in this thread right now... And your arguments aren't even all that detailed beyond LOOK AT THIS STAT FROM TOURNAMENT/SOLO QUEUE. MY ELO HIGH.

Just how I read it. Its not all that constructive.

[xRECKONERx]

http://lolmatches.com/championstats

Corki currently loses more games than he wins; so i think thats justified :/

Prove otherwise? He isnt picked in tournaments anymore, and is underwhelming compared to many other carries (EZ, Graves, Vayne, Kog). His kit is good, yet he still loses.

As to the reds, we can argue about it i guess. Are you starting boots or blade? Should be boots. If thats the case, you dont have enough damage to kill the caster mininos under a tower in a single shot. I dont disagree that arpen is better late game, but better doesnt mean useful. You probably wont even notice a difference between a full build with arpen reds and without, and probably not mid game either.

Are you guys kidding about the other points? Theres a reason trist, draven, cait etc were not picked at all...

On the one hand, you want to use the fact that overall win percentage (for all elos) on Corki prove he's not good (also ignoring other contexts like skill level, support champ, support skill level, team comp, etc). On the other hand, you want to use only high elo reasons for why Trist/Draven/Cait are bad (because they aren't picked at high levels of play). You can't have your cake and eat it, too. The fact of the matter remains that looking at win percentage is a terrible way to determine if a champion is good or not because it completely ignores the million other factors that play into a champion's quality

in a team game

.

Furthermore, you can't say "well Draven wasn't picked so he's bad" as an argument. Meta and teamcomp and FOTM changes over time. That's why at IPL4 last April, Udyr was the most banned champion over all games, but he wasn't even in the top ten for the S2 finals. Ezreal was also not picked or banned in the top ten at IPL4 but was highly popular at the S2 finals. The only thing that has happened to Udyr over that time is a very slight nerf to his Turtle Stance, whereas Ezreal has actually been

nerfed

since IPL4 but now sees high levels of play. It's because the metagame changes over time, or teamcomps change over time, or people realize "holy shit this champion is actually borderline OP" and start playing him.

I dont disagree. I never said i knew everything, nor did i say i didnt have anything to learn. Im responding to "GO PRACTICE YOUR MECHANICS" from someone incorrectly assuming i dont know how to cs. Nothing more, nothing less. If he assumes i cant cs, ill go ahead and assume hes bad for not being ranked. Its the same type of assumption really.

Are you sure that you guys arent the ones that are refusing to learn though? Are corki/ez/graves REALLY the top 3 ad carries atm? The last tournament implies otherwise. Is draven good? Again, the last tournament implies otherwise. He shouldnt need an escape for laning, considering these guys use the 2v1 top and bot meta...it should be pretty safe in lane. Its safe enough for a vayne to farm in, and for a kog to farm in. Considering all the warding that goes on as well, id say escapes in addition to flash arent that important in lane. In teamfights though with brusiers dashing to you though...

But ok. Im gonna go ahead and drop this. Its clear there is a refusal to really intelligently talk about this from at least one side...whether you think thats me or not. By all means, play draven.

TBF knowing how to last hit under towers without AD runes is a pretty standard thing, it's something I'm having trouble learning but it's something that people should learn how to do

Also see my above paragraph about why trying to go BUT HE WASN'T PICKED THIS TOURNAMENT!111!1!!1!! is a stupid reason for saying a champion is bad.

[Andrius]

How the hell do you jungle as skarner.

Start Regrowth + Pot with 0/21/9 runes and the "Catchall" Jungler Runes.
Wolves then Blue. People should help with both for both HP retention and cleartimes. Typical jungle pattern.
Skillorder: Max Q. Then W. Ignore E until 13. Max R at 6/11/16.

Buy boots. Buy a Philo Stone.

Ganking Pre6:
Riverbush- press W, run at the enemy. If you can proc your Q on minions on the way in then do it elsewise run at them. Your goal is to Qspam until it dies or they flash.
Laneganks- Sit in bush. When they walk near W at them and combo Q like no tomorrow.

Ganking with Impale:
All ganks follow this pattern. W in, QQQQ (ESPECIALLY IMPORTANT IF THE GANKEE IS SIVIR/NOCTURNE/Banshee's Veil). Ult if you need to.* Generally they'll want to flash after you ult. If they have alot of ground to cover you should be fine withholding the ult until later. If you're laneganking or ganking a pushed lane ult soon (again, care: Sivir/Nocturne/Banshees) and pull them the hell out of there, pressing Q the entire time.

There's nothing wrong with ulting early, but its even better when you can grab someone mid-escape.

When your ult is on CD don't use Q in the jungle. AA minions for the CDR on your ult through your passive. Furthermore realize that it works doubly as effective on enemy champions, so if you're in a fight keep in mind your CDs. There are times I'll gank without my ult knowing that within the next few seconds combined with passive AAs your ult will be up.

Skarner is great because you can build him a half a dozen ways. He has innate tankiness and innate damage so forsaking one for the other is fine (though be mindful of their team). Rushing Shurelya's makes ganks a breeze.

A NOTE HERE: You can Flash THEN Impale, but you can't Impale and THEN Flash. Furthermore Shurelya's-ing AFTER Impaling someone is better than Shurelya's-ing to get in range (circumstances allowing this of course).

In teamfights you are the Initiate. If you happen to have another one (Karthus with Flash, Malphite, Leona) find the enemy AD/AP Carry and eat them alive. Ult them into your team. Never stop pressing Q.

Triforce is all the damage you really need. Frozen Heart and Randuin's work well in similar ways. I prefer FH because the AS Slow compliments the MS slow quite nicely. Also mana. Randuin's is great because MORE SLOWS on top of slows. Shurelya's is one of the first three items.

Speaking of which I've been meaning to try Randuin's/Rylai's/Frozen Mallet Skarner. >___________>

Anything else you need?

[quadz08]

LOL at the people who refuse to realize what Taric truly is- A MANLY MAN.


Taric is played as a Jungler.
Start Regrowth and One Pot, which you may or may not need to survive blue depending on the level of the leash. Start W, using it as your main source of damage in the jungle. Rank up Q second, since it works wonders with its built-in CDR. Your passive will also help after your first blue. Take E second. Max W because even if you're useless (aka never) the passive armor/armor reduction is amazing.

Get Boots. Mobi boots are for chumps. Buy G/10s and grow some chesthair. Its time to gank. Build like the tanky-ass mofo you know you are. If you're fed then build whatever the hell you want because Triforce is lulzy and good as is Gunblade. (Also the slow.)

ALWAYS REMEMBER- your heal lowers its CD based on AAs. So always be attacking things in ganks. Your pitiful ADC and "Support" that can't be as OUtRAGEOUS as YOU don't know how awesome your heals are until you save them multiple times. You can rank up Heal/Stun based on what you want more. Personally I leave Heal at Lv.2 and then max Stun for CDR.


edit: Laugh at the people who laugh at you. Nothing's better than carrying your team to victory, especially as JUNGLE MANRIC.

must try

[Andrius]

Just use the "Catchall" Jungler Runes and you should be golden. Manric's a jungler that benefits from AS.