The Dresden Files - Early Days Mafia (Bastard) - Over

[Klick]

Klick is V/LA til Tuesday November 6th.

Hey Thor, are you a part of the Town?

[ICEninja]

We've got less than 4 days until deadline. Due to the nature of this game, I wouldn't a little extra time to discuss claims.

I'm feeling a lot of resistance to Grey's lynch, which makes me feel really good about it. Wagons do NOT easily build up around scum on day 1, and generally take town really fighting for them.

While CKD is a reasonable counter wagon of sorts, anybody who has their vote on someone OTHER than Grey or CKD is essentially not voting. Scum absolutely love to have their vote in useless places under pretense of a well reasoned vote regardless of the outcome of the lynch (distancing themselves from a town wagon, and hoping to prevent a scum buddy lynch, being ready to hop on a counterwagon the instant it forms).

If you have VERY compelling reasons why neither CKD or GreyICE should be lynched, either make them very clear or move your damn vote.

PEDIT: Klick had enough time to read Thor's comment and respond to it. Which is a lot more time than it takes to bold a vote. Considering how inactive he's been for the second half of the day, he's creeping up my secondary scum list.

[Klick]

I'm waiting for Thor to respond before I vote someone.

[StefanB]

Unvote

Vote: GreyIce

L-1

yes I am not sure if scum but damm I have a lot of people to sheep and well if Grey claims fast, we still have time. I hate last 24 hour claims and we need a lynch no matter what.
(Also did I ever agree with IceNinja on somethink before.

Next Zdenek

[Thor665]

If you have VERY compelling reasons why neither CKD or GreyICE should be lynched, either make them very clear or move your Smurf vote.

I'd also like to note that Thor thinks CKD is town and Grey is decently likely scum, so...y'know.

I'm waiting for Thor to respond before I vote someone.

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that even you are capable of figuring out that either my answer will be sarcasm about being scum or snark about being town.
So derp reason to not vote is derp and not voting.

[StefanB]

Okay, first of everyone who remembers Zdenek better than I do. (I know I played with you, should remember you more, sorry) Is it normal for Town-Zdenek or scum-Zdenek to be so selfcentert.

I make this easier for Zdenek: Thor called all people out, that were voting for a person nobody else was voting for. So short before deadline we have to compromise.

It's the same as my 493 (I didn't have the right or the power to call you out) or IceNinjas 526.

I give Zdenek that Thor didn't use the most diplomatic or clear words to do the calling out.

About Sixty.

Zdenek 2. Sixty explained that they think that scum likes to use meta in the manner where they point to specific examples to draw conclusions.
3, They then proceeded to point to an example of GreyICE's town play to argue that he is scum here.

Nope not how I read Sixtys 404. The keysentence is

Sixty It is about patterns, trends and motivations

For Tierce or Vi it is more like
x does selfvote as town never as scum is to easy, the damm think is more complex.
They then offer a single pice of advice of a townplay. I get that this is perhaps to little evidence, but to make their point as example it is okay.
So I reject

Zdenek
You think that town doesn't say things that they don't mean.

as somethink that is reall about Sixtys 404.
And the point: Zdenek about Sixty

makes me think you were making stuff up that you don't really believe.

is somethink that points at a scumread that Zdenek voiced.

If we still have the time to switch there is a player we can lynch!

[pidgey]

Thor, explain how me trying to be a more likable player (not on this game only, but I could basically link you to other games i started doing this that are already over, and I can't link you to ongoing but i wont since,, you know) is a scum tell. The sore fact that you are saying this is ridiculous.

Anyway, I genuinly think that the most solid case today is jason so that's why my vote is in there. Everyone wet their pants when he claimed for some reason, something he actually botched lol.

GreyICE case is not really good (admiteddly, i should reread this slot) and the wagon is weird and i dont like the reasoning behind it. CKD is scummy but i dont love the people in that wagon. So my vote is on jason for now.

[Thor665]

I hear Stefan talking, but I'm generally left with no idea what he's saying.
If Grey flips town let's lynch Stefan.

@Pidgey - Please link me to the other games you are doing this in.
And it's scummy because you and I just finished a game where your f-bomb habits were tied to your scum meta, so, yeah, you trying to clean up looks suspect, but I'm sure I'm just being ridiculous.

What was Jason's claim and why does botching it make him scum? I still haven't heard a Jason=scum case from anyone, you're allowed to lead the charge and state it or link me to it.

Who are the people on CKD that you think are so scummy you're chasing a different scum read?

[StefanB]

Thor can you be more specific? Should I replace out, question for the whole game?

I will quote the Sixtyposts that startet it:

You two do not seem to know how meta actually works. It is not about cherry-picking through games to find the perfect match. It is not about getting three scum games and pointing to Exhibit A in Unique Instance #42; scum love to do that, when that is not effective, Town-rooted meta work; a player's meta is a fluid thing, and scum and Town 'behaviors' will migrate back and forth. It is about patterns, trends and motivations. Talking with GreyICE, in and out of game, will show that when he is truly trying to puzzle something out (i.e. scumhunting), he analyzes things thoughtfully. He analyzes players, behaviors and, most importantly, motivations. He is not doing that here in regards to ICEninja (and, on a slightly lesser level, curiouskarmadog). These lynches are incredibly easy, and Grey is throwing a tantrum and a bitchy fit every time he replies to one of their posts instead of truly looking at how likely their posts are to come from an alignment or another. He is arguing to win an argument. This is not Town GreyICE.

kortul, a brief example - Grey's attitude here does not match how his read on greenknight, Zang and jason evolved in Doctor Who. That alone should be ringing alarm bells for a good chunk of this playerlist. It's rabid tunneling, fake anger. There is nothing here that feels like Righteous Town GreyICE.

We will reserve discussion on other players for later times, as they are not relevant at present.

Is this somethink that can sound reasonable and can give a townread or the scumy (or not serious) kind of post.

[Sixty]

pidgey neatly ignored what we have said regarding jason, and prefers to sit on a useless wagon on Town instead of contributing to a lynch. Once more, with feeling:

We interrupt this broadcast to put a stop to those remaining jason votes.

Several things:

1) The role does not make sense as scum; it is a Town role that has a goal of extracting information from the dead;
2) It is trackable. If he ever gets tracked to/watched at someone alive, jason is dead; it is one of the major reasons scum don't often claim coroner;
3) It is very much a role that MoI would put in this game. Not just because of the flavor, but because of this section of MoI meta:

The Charlie the Mafia Scumbag Show

Brought to you by your Host – Magnaofillusion

This show is brought to you in two acts. Each is important. Pay close attention to them.

Act 1 – The Voices of the Dead.

Very often Nightkills are paid too little heed in this game. Tierce once spoke for the Dead in a way the fucked Scum over hard. I’m going to honor her by doing that again.

Let’s look at the players who each Dead Townie suspected on the Day before they crocked.

[...]

This "Voices of the Dead" thing is about Destiny Mafia. A certain mechanic allowed the dead Townies to make a single post on a specific Day. This dead-post included the results the dead PRs had, and dead-Tierce's reads nailed two scum.

This is very obviously a role MoI would put in, since he was aware of the effects of a similar mechanic in Destiny Mafia; it is much less likely to be a fakeclaim. In addition, we believe that jason's minor mistakes about his role do not mean anything; he is no less likely to mess up a Town role than he is a full-fledged fakeclaim.


It is getting to be a distraction. Stop voting jason and start voting actual scum. We suggest beginning with GreyICE. Follow our nose, etc.

[Sixty]

@Thor:
jason claimed 1-shot Neighborizer with a dead player, valid for one Day, only valid one Day/Night cycle after they are lynched/killed.

[pidgey]

Thor you are seriously being ridiculous lol. I can safely tell you that I had a chat with Nero Cain after WWF Attitude 2.0 mafia (where I started to be less of an asshole, you can't be an asshole without ASS!). Here it is though: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p4230262

Jason claim being botched... lemme look for that too...
Ok sword summarizes it here
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p4440928
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p4442109

Also yeah the whole "I put someone on L-1 for the lulz/to bait scum/to look at reactions" is pretty damn scummy from my POV.

People i dont like on CKD is jason and fatlikepig.

[pidgey]

Nah sixty im not ignoring that in the slightest.

[Klick]

Georgia Borden. Not fullclaiming, but I have a Daycop ability. Thor is not town-aligned.

VOTE: Thor

[StefanB]

And smurf on you, Thor, I hate my unvote so much at the moment. Smurf on you, I don't know you are Zdenek there will be my vote on day 2 and perhaps I will get you lynched.

Target found.

Pidgey that makes Jason a bad player, we don't look for bad players. Sorry made the same mistake.

Klick: Not that dumb gambit.

[pidgey]

Oh and check harry potter too that's ongoing I guess but no reason to not tell you that im trying to be less of an ass in generally all games.

PEdit: Are you being serious kondi?

[Sixty]

@pidgey: Scum don't bus? Why are you judging the value of the D1 wagons by the people voting on them, and calling cases as bad without actually addressing them?

Cut--

And yes, you are ignoring everything we say, as you have yet to present anything that shows us wrong other than "I don't like it" or "I don't see why people are doing X".

Cut by Klick--
Whooooosh. Now stop diverting the pretty wagon.

[Klick]

No, I'm serious.

[pidgey]

Sixty, that's just me. Sorry you dont like me. Anyway, it still itches me.

Tell me what im ignoring exactly. Im not getting it lol. Your case on Grey? Or the case on jason?

Sword already has explained how exactly can that role be useful for scum btw. Also bastard game. Roles don't really make or break my read on anyone right now.

Also good if Thor is scum then that makes me almost conf town

vote: Thor

[Shmugen]

If Thor is scum, he can just as easily be killed tomorrow, nor am I likely to drop my vote on a scummy person for a daycop result with mere days to go in a Bastard game.

[Thor665]

Thor you are seriously being ridiculous lol. I can safely tell you that I had a chat with Nero Cain after WWF Attitude 2.0 mafia (where I started to be less of an asshole, you can't be an asshole without ASS!). Here it is though: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p4230262

There you are saying you're going to try to be less of a jerk/offensive player.
You use the f-bomb when you say it.

Here you're saying you're going to use less f-bombs.

I see that as two different things, why am I wrong?

Georgia Borden. Not fullclaiming, but I have a Daycop ability. Thor is not town-aligned.

You're a Daycop and also are not fullclaiming.
Yeah...that's the extent of the reaction this gambit is getting out of me.

And smurf on you, Thor, I hate my unvote so much at the moment. Smurf on you,

Bwuh?

Pidgey probably is scum for the reaction to Klick.

[Thor665]

@Thor:
jason claimed 1-shot Neighborizer with a dead player, valid for one Day, only valid one Day/Night cycle after they are lynched/killed.

If Thor is scum, he can just as easily be killed tomorrow, nor am I likely to drop my vote on a scummy person for a daycop result with mere days to go in a Bastard game.

It's not even a Daycop. So...yeah.

In other news, wwho is your top scumspect after GreyICE.
Also, who is obv. town who I shouldn't even bother looking at as scum?

[pidgey]

LOL ok yeah sorry for trying to be a less offensive player but yeah i hope its pretty clear but nice use of "Logic" there to keep suspicious of me. Im basically parking my vote to you even if this is some sort of Klick Gambit for being this obnoxious to me at the moment.

Me saying fuck a lot or less has nothing to do with my allignment. Its just something ive been trying to do for about a month and hey nice of you to clinge to it.

[sword_of_omens]

Back from V/LA

@Klick Why did you vesty Thor and not your original scumpick CKD?

Grey just got to L-1, so i'm slightly suspect of the timing here...

[Thor665]

Actually, all I did was point it out as scummy and you flipped out and acted like it was such a huge case that you had to try to 1v1 me while my vote wasn't even on you.

But, yeah, you should die soon.