/in-vitational 12: Mafia in #YOLOville - All wrapped up!

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

They're normally somewhat meaner.

[Faraday]

Day 1, Votecount 4

Nachomamma8 (1) - N
Cogito Ergo Sum (1) - Tammy
N (1) - penguin_alien

penguin_alien (4) - Wickedestjr, Cogito Ergo Sum, Johhog, Shadoweh

Konowa (1) - Tierce
Deasvail (2) - Empire, Konowa
Shadoweh (1) - Nachomamma8
Empire (3) - Benmage, CrashTextDummie, DeasVail
CrashTextDummie (2) - Llamarble, Vi

Not voting (0) :

NO ONE

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[Benmage]

Benmage - Like Darox in that he is usually scum when he appears slightly pro-town

Pretty sure you're just bad at reading benmage.

Random thought: Closed White Flag.
Non-random thought: this game is boring.

Data Question... Llamarable was scum WF, aye... calling me scum. Similar tune.

[Wickedestjr]

Unvote. Vote: Shadoweh

-Scum vibes from her first post, in particular the town voting block idea and the comment(s) that accompanied her penguin vote
-Post 50 seems unhelpful/pointless
(I can go into more detail later)

Benmage, why is CES scum?


Today and the next two days are all pretty busy for me, but I'll try to post as much as I can.

[Benmage]

@Benmage: I've seen scumDeas having to fight off a D1 wagon on himself that was being lead by me. Wouldn't be particularly surprising. The word I was looking for is closer to "opportunistic" than "survivalistic", but etc.

What game was this?

Hey everyone I have reads on pg 4!!!!post 82 Look how town I AM!!!!!

CTD - Putting a link into that short of a thought is scummy.

Please provide evidence for this and/or where you've thought this before.

^this. I was gonna say wtf reasoning.... but I like this question more.

Llamarble, can you explain your townreads please? And how does Benmage come across as pro-town at this point for you?

Really... how can you not question anyone at this point. If I'm not town yet, noone is.

Johhog is comfortable / assertive.
"Whoa why did you get a different impression from mine" is town because town expect others to agree with them whereas mafia realize they have a different perspective.

Or scum, don't want to be the only one pushing a foolish train.

Shadoweh's "Then again I am a terrible judge of character" and "may not be good enough to do this" self deprecation posts sound town.
I'm never a fan of 'I am trying this once' or 'I wouldn't make this error as scum' though.

Really the self deprecation, seems like an easy excuse to later say... BLJhsdjGHZJDGJZ i SUCK at reading people...

see how consistent I am?

Shadoweh's "Then again I am a terrible judge of character" and "may not be good enough to do this" self deprecation posts sound town.

Nothing she hasn't done as scum before.

You mean as town?

[Konowa]

Random thought is wrong.

[Benmage]

Benmage is commenting on relevant things.

What?

[Benmage]

Benmage, why is CES scum?

He's probably not.

[Benmage]

Unvote vote llamarble

Empire can be town too.

Shadow, Johog and Llamarble scum thus far.

[CrashTextDummie]

CTD: Hi, I'm pretty sure we've never played before, have we? It shows. Since you think my post is SCUMMY, I'm surprised you wouldn't remark on Empire's opinion on it in that post while you're voting on him, did it not affect your read at all?

Why should it? He claims to have some kind of meta on you he doesn't really trust.

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Erm, how is it bad logic or hypocritical? Voting someone for proposing an unorthodox strategy on page 1 is just about the laziest and lamest reason to vote someone. It doesn't require any real thought for scum to hang their vote on and it's especially jarring when you consider that you actually have proposed this as town before. I think the post was scummy and absolutely deserving of my vote.

It's not inherently scummy to be critical of a controversial strategy suggestion, I've been attacked over suggesting massclaim more often by town than by scum in the past. That he claimed meta reasons to suspect me

was

jarring, hence why I asked about their source. Besides, voting someone for lazy and lame reasons on page 1 is par for the course. So much for crap logic. As for hypocrisy, his vote was no more "opportunistic" than your vote on him.

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I don't have another example of finding a link scummy, but I think CTD wanted his post to be taken as immediate reactions to the thread while the link indicates more construction went into it.

I don't think I've ever given what you call "immediate reactions" in a game of mafia. This is one of the strangest things I've ever been accused of.

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Vote: CrashTestDummie (L-7) #YOLO

Oh my god you suck.

[N]

Tierceflail

[Benmage]

^I'm ready when ever you guys are.

[Llamarble]

VOTE: DeasVail

[Llamarble]

VOTE: DeasVail

[Tierce]

Unvote. Vote: Shadoweh

-Scum vibes from her first post, in particular the town voting block idea and the comment(s) that accompanied her penguin vote
-Post 50 seems unhelpful/pointless

(I can go into more detail later)

Please do.

@Benmage: I've seen scumDeas having to fight off a D1 wagon on himself that was being lead by me. Wouldn't be particularly surprising. The word I was looking for is closer to "opportunistic" than "survivalistic", but etc.

What game was this?

Mafia with the Kitties.

Shadoweh's "Then again I am a terrible judge of character" and "may not be good enough to do this" self deprecation posts sound town.

Nothing she hasn't done as scum before.

You mean as town?

I mean what I wrote.


@N: Reads, please and thank you.


@Llamarble--why did you completely drop your previous lines of reasoning to vote Deas without commenting on posts made by your "previous" scum suspects?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Was that a good wagon by the bye, Tierce? I don't remember.

[Tierce]

Was that a good wagon by the bye, Tierce? I don't remember.

He was scum. Does that answer your question?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

No? That's more of a prerequisite.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

(I also do tend to remember who my scum buddies were in games, generally.)

[Tierce]

Stop being smug about it. You were his scumbuddy, you know how good the wagon was and how it failed at the end of the Day.

PEdit: So, etc.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

My smugness is tangential to the question. I don't really remember anything about the wagon beyond lazily bussing him and pushing him for claiming Neighbor at the end.

[Tierce]

There is a link to it. Go down memory lane yourself, I'm not paid enough to do guided tours.

[N]

@N: Reads, please and thank you.

Nacho is scum. You're welcome.

[Tierce]

Not nearly enough.

[Empire]

The thought was that me saying it was scummy, specifically mentioning how CTD has played before, would reveal that I know CTD asks for a massclaim every game.

Um ok, it didn't come across that way at all to me given what seemed to be a serious tone. What do you think of Konowa's and Llamarble's votes on you? Do you see them as being opportunistic as well or something else?

Does Tammy normally overreact like this?

Yes. I thought you knew this from Castle Zar though?

It's not inherently scummy to be critical of a controversial strategy suggestion, I've been attacked over suggesting massclaim more often by town than by scum in the past. That he claimed meta reasons to suspect me

was

jarring, hence why I asked about their source. Besides, voting someone for lazy and lame reasons on page 1 is par for the course. So much for crap logic. As for hypocrisy, his vote was no more "opportunistic" than your vote on him.

My experience is different, I guess. That angle of attack is the perfect one for scum in my view because it doesn't take any real thought and it's really easy to look pro-town by looking all put off by someone suggesting something controversial, which was what I thought DV was doing. And obviously, I don't view my vote as opportunistic at all -- for example, I didn't vote DV because he's an "easy target" (and I'd argue that he isn't an easy target in this roster given that most everyone here knows him and how he plays).

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@Tierce:

I thought about what DV was saying re: his CTD vote on the way back from class today and my mind went back to Sherlock Mafia. I read through his ISO there again where he entered the game in a much similar fashion -- do something to draw lots of attention to himself to see how people react and the way he responded to Magister Ludi in that game is very much the same as here (#40). I looked through the game you linked to compare and he seemed a lot more "by-the-book" and more concerned with appearing pro-town. Do you think he's playing differently from Sherlock and, if so, why? (Asking you since you were there with me.) Personally, I'm starting to lean town here but it's not a strong read.

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Ok, so the long reads wallpost is going to have to wait a bit more. There are a lot of people who are still promising content (Tammy and Wickedestjr in particular) and I feel like I'm dogpaddling through the thread because most of the people here are hard for me to read but whatever bro #YOLO.

Unvote, vote: Llamarble