Newbie 1345: Mafia in a Bind (Game Over)

[Mutleyddmc]

This is going slow now. I'm tempted to join MP5 on the didi lynch. As the more I read the post the more it makes sense. I have this feeling though I can't shake and there's nothing to it really but that xiao and mp5 are the mafia.

[Equinox]

Vote Count 1.08

Xiao Long (3) - theslimer3, Spadille, Mutleyddmc
Mutleyddmc (2) - Voodoo Lady, Xiao Long
Didi (1) - MP5
MP5 (1) - KingPin96

Not Voting (2) - Xegarus, Didi

With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.

The deadline is Tuesday, April 2, 2013, at 12:37 AM EDT (UTC-4).

Mod Notes

theslimer3 is V/LA for an undefined period.

theslimer3 has been prodded.

[theslimer3]

UNVOTE:

Alright, forgive my inactiveness. As an IC, this is unexceptable. If I have to post with 1 arm in 1 degree temp and at 5:00 in the morning, so be it. >_>


Catching up.

[theslimer3]

I went through a lot of this with a hella lot of different thoughts throughout the whole ordeal, so I'll do my best to capture the things that stuck out to me and say what I was thinking there.

Since it's the quotes could flood the page, I'll put it all in a spoiler.

Spoiler:

But I'm not going to claim a role if I am not one, that's just stupid.

You're hinting pretty much the whole way that you're a PR, but you're not willing to claim because it's a lie? Sounds like a scum claim really.

also you are being very noobish your self in thinking that me claiming VT means I am scum. If I was scum I'd have claimed power role. It would likely have saved me for at least one day. If not it would have got that PR to have to counter the claim. Giving vital info to the other scum.

Some scum can't handle being a fake PR because they fear that a cop or someone would discover them. And he's not being noobish, get use to being over analyzed if you want to play this game. It's the only way to get the truth. Sometimes it helps, sometimes it gets the wrong person lynched. In your case, he may be on to something, because you indeed WERE hinting PR.

Ive said why I am accepting it. I don't care for being the first one lynched because you guys can hopefully get some info from the last few hours exchange. plus someone has to go its only a game.

UNVOTE:
I like you.

A pull off like this seems a bit odd from my angle.
Especially when you're pressing like you were, and how his reactions did not seem so great, you end your pursuit. Could this possibly be merciful scum?
Rare, but nonetheless a strategy.

I don't particularly like how you think his reactions are townish though when I found them to be quite scummy actually. Would you mind sharing so we can be on the same page?

Reads, Mut is confirmed town in my book. I love his responses. So arrogant and stubborn. Scum is NEVER like this. Not in my experience. Scum is fickle and trying to look good. ALWAYS. Mut isn't scum. He's not afraid to say no. This makes him look so shit to everyone but soo town to me.

Oh? Could you have this perspective because you yourself are mafia?

Who doesn't like being scum? Well I'm sure there's some. But as this place is called mafiascum I'm sure most sign up to games hoping to be scum (I sure did). Then a PR then town.

I actually don't. I use to love it, but now it's a drag to have xD

I believe this is policy lynching, correct?
Not a good reason.

*snip*

Do you think you could
come up with a real reason
for voting for me?

Did you... Did you mean for that to be a haiku..?

I meant to say that I had misjudged an IC before and although you are a null tell i will always have this one game in mind. But I changed my mind a little bit over this the last days. (About my english, if somebody thinks my bad english is hurting the game I will ask to be replaced. I want to enjoy this and so do you all. I don’t want to burden you all because I think I can get better in english while playing)

Oh, no no, buddy, don't worry about replacing out! Just proof read a little before you send. It can be rather hard for people to know what you're saying if you don't say it correctly, but it's not a disruption xD

Yes Fsnake the scum or at least one is likely to be hiding in the midst knowing that I would be an easy lynch. Which is why I am very much looking at Kingpin. He was around but never voted me even though he thinks I am scum or anti-town. Maybe because he knows I am going to flip town and therefore won't be looked at too much after cos he wasn't on the wagon.

This appears to be your main argument. And for that, I'd say you're probably town for that. Because noob scum wouldn't use this.

#98

>Initially thinks MP5 is just reation hunting by using crappy logic.
>Votes him anyway

#55
Also:

>Knows what a pressure vote is and how it helps.
>Still thinks FSnake is scummy for voting for pressure.

This story stops once he was called out. An interesting reaction.

#113 and #120
These posts tells us a story of how our boy, Xiao Long, evolves. Even though he tells us that quickly jumping on wagons are scummy, he does so. With what reason? The same reason he keeps defending himself of, not scumhunting.

#125
125 is a story of Pontius Pilate washing his hands for the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.

All that fluff and it only looks like you're pressing for a bad reason. This honestly makes me think you're scum with your bad reasoning.

Pretty sure on of king pin or xiao are mafia. If not both.

VOTE:

xiao long

Mainly because he keeps calling everyone a cunt. Whereas at least kingpin is nice.

...

For me kingpin is likely mafia due to his not wanting to hammer me. He didnt want to get looked at as the final blow so was waiting for someone else. He lurked a bit and didnt get involved in the exchanges. If he is mafia he knew all I was doing was being 'anti town' therefore was happy to reinforce his opinion in it. So that the town would look at it as in a oh he was right etc He's not mafia!

You I feel are mafia because again you wanted me gone, but also tries to get me to defend myself. Knowing that I would flip town it would make you look town too even though you voted me. Also you posts that have been brought up previously about not thinking you look scummy. You are obviously worried about trying not to look scummy and not just playing the game knowing you don't need to lie because you are town and have nothing to hide.

As you feel the need to call someone a cunt I feel I'd rather vote you over king pin.
Also I feel you've changed slightly since votes have come off me because of my arrogance and stubbornness. You seem to be playing yourself towards that role too. So that you can use that defence of 'well you saw mutley as town because of that post style why not me?'

I honestly forgot my thoughts here.

You blatantly stated the only reason you voted for me over Kingpin was because I called you a cunt. This means you voted for me because I called you a cunt. While it may be true that me and Kingpin are equally scummy in your eyes, the point still stands that you only voted me over him because I called you a cunt. If you wanted me to think your vote was legit, you should probably have left that part out of it.

Here's the thing, I may not be playing the way people expect me to, but I'm STILL PLAYING. YOU, on the other hand, were ignoring everything and NOT PLAYING AT ALL. Trolling isn't playing, it's trolling, and that's exactly what you were doing. So go fuck your pot/kettle analogy.

Calm it down a bit. o.o

Please, do not derail my argument. I voted you for being agressively defensive and distancing from the real issue with your ad hominems. Your reply explained what needs to be explained for every player here that is town.

And I didn't vote him for that reason. You clearly missed where I explained I thought he was scum trying to start a wagon on the newest player.

And this changes everything, doesn't it? You assume you are the newest player? Boy, you literally claimed that you initially thinks he is 'reation hunting by using crappy logic'.

Explain this for me, please.

Scums trying to fit in town, doing what town wants him to do and quickly changes. Strong scum tell.

Did you completely ignore the entire Mutley ordeal? The dude was clearly being anti-town and ruining the game by being a cunt in general. Are you implying this is what I'm doing? I voted Mutley because I thought him being at L-1 would make him stop ruining the game. It's not that hard to comprehend.

I did not. But you didn't, did you? Clearly after building up some tension with your exchange with MP5, you needed someone to 'scumhunt' and use as a scapegoat. Mutley would be perfect for you.

I'm honestly not sure what you're getting at here.

I understand your pain.

Scums trying to wash hands just before someone's execution to prevent fingers pointed

You're not very good at reading, are you? Take a look at post 90.

Neither you are at rebuttals. What does post 90 says? Post 90 says you don't really want to look like as if you have 'strong scum reads' so when it comes a time that someone calls you out on it, you'd play the 'I'm not even sure' card.


Also, a quick warning for your scum-buddy. If you want to look like as if you are a town, please do not play this game by just defending yourself. Learn to town.

scummy behavior as just being his playstyle

Mind telling me exactly what scummy behaviour is?

@Mod, do you think you can contact slimer to see when his V/LA will end?

Tags fixed... belatedly. (Equinox)

[theslimer3]

I went through a lot of this with a hella lot of different thoughts throughout the whole ordeal, so I'll do my best to capture the things that stuck out to me and say what I was thinking there.

Since it's the quotes could flood the page, I'll put it all in a spoiler.

Spoiler:

But I'm not going to claim a role if I am not one, that's just stupid.

You're hinting pretty much the whole way that you're a PR, but you're not willing to claim because it's a lie? Sounds like a scum claim really.

also you are being very noobish your self in thinking that me claiming VT means I am scum. If I was scum I'd have claimed power role. It would likely have saved me for at least one day. If not it would have got that PR to have to counter the claim. Giving vital info to the other scum.

Some scum can't handle being a fake PR because they fear that a cop or someone would discover them. And he's not being noobish, get use to being over analyzed if you want to play this game. It's the only way to get the truth. Sometimes it helps, sometimes it gets the wrong person lynched. In your case, he may be on to something, because you indeed WERE hinting PR.

Ive said why I am accepting it. I don't care for being the first one lynched because you guys can hopefully get some info from the last few hours exchange. plus someone has to go its only a game.

UNVOTE:
I like you.

A pull off like this seems a bit odd from my angle.
Especially when you're pressing like you were, and how his reactions did not seem so great, you end your pursuit. Could this possibly be merciful scum?
Rare, but nonetheless a strategy.

I don't particularly like how you think his reactions are townish though when I found them to be quite scummy actually. Would you mind sharing so we can be on the same page?

Reads, Mut is confirmed town in my book. I love his responses. So arrogant and stubborn. Scum is NEVER like this. Not in my experience. Scum is fickle and trying to look good. ALWAYS. Mut isn't scum. He's not afraid to say no. This makes him look so shit to everyone but soo town to me.

Oh? Could you have this perspective because you yourself are mafia?

Who doesn't like being scum? Well I'm sure there's some. But as this place is called mafiascum I'm sure most sign up to games hoping to be scum (I sure did). Then a PR then town.

I actually don't. I use to love it, but now it's a drag to have xD

I believe this is policy lynching, correct?
Not a good reason.

*snip*

Do you think you could
come up with a real reason
for voting for me?

Did you... Did you mean for that to be a haiku..?

I meant to say that I had misjudged an IC before and although you are a null tell i will always have this one game in mind. But I changed my mind a little bit over this the last days. (About my english, if somebody thinks my bad english is hurting the game I will ask to be replaced. I want to enjoy this and so do you all. I don’t want to burden you all because I think I can get better in english while playing)

Oh, no no, buddy, don't worry about replacing out! Just proof read a little before you send. It can be rather hard for people to know what you're saying if you don't say it correctly, but it's not a disruption xD

Yes Fsnake the scum or at least one is likely to be hiding in the midst knowing that I would be an easy lynch. Which is why I am very much looking at Kingpin. He was around but never voted me even though he thinks I am scum or anti-town. Maybe because he knows I am going to flip town and therefore won't be looked at too much after cos he wasn't on the wagon.

This appears to be your main argument. And for that, I'd say you're probably town for that. Because noob scum wouldn't use this.

#98

>Initially thinks MP5 is just reation hunting by using crappy logic.
>Votes him anyway

#55
Also:

>Knows what a pressure vote is and how it helps.
>Still thinks FSnake is scummy for voting for pressure.

This story stops once he was called out. An interesting reaction.

#113 and #120
These posts tells us a story of how our boy, Xiao Long, evolves. Even though he tells us that quickly jumping on wagons are scummy, he does so. With what reason? The same reason he keeps defending himself of, not scumhunting.

#125
125 is a story of Pontius Pilate washing his hands for the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.

All that fluff and it only looks like you're pressing for a bad reason. This honestly makes me think you're scum with your bad reasoning.

Pretty sure on of king pin or xiao are mafia. If not both.

VOTE:

xiao long

Mainly because he keeps calling everyone a cunt. Whereas at least kingpin is nice.

...

For me kingpin is likely mafia due to his not wanting to hammer me. He didnt want to get looked at as the final blow so was waiting for someone else. He lurked a bit and didnt get involved in the exchanges. If he is mafia he knew all I was doing was being 'anti town' therefore was happy to reinforce his opinion in it. So that the town would look at it as in a oh he was right etc He's not mafia!

You I feel are mafia because again you wanted me gone, but also tries to get me to defend myself. Knowing that I would flip town it would make you look town too even though you voted me. Also you posts that have been brought up previously about not thinking you look scummy. You are obviously worried about trying not to look scummy and not just playing the game knowing you don't need to lie because you are town and have nothing to hide.

As you feel the need to call someone a cunt I feel I'd rather vote you over king pin.
Also I feel you've changed slightly since votes have come off me because of my arrogance and stubbornness. You seem to be playing yourself towards that role too. So that you can use that defence of 'well you saw mutley as town because of that post style why not me?'

I honestly forgot my thoughts here.

You blatantly stated the only reason you voted for me over Kingpin was because I called you a cunt. This means you voted for me because I called you a cunt. While it may be true that me and Kingpin are equally scummy in your eyes, the point still stands that you only voted me over him because I called you a cunt. If you wanted me to think your vote was legit, you should probably have left that part out of it.

Here's the thing, I may not be playing the way people expect me to, but I'm STILL PLAYING. YOU, on the other hand, were ignoring everything and NOT PLAYING AT ALL. Trolling isn't playing, it's trolling, and that's exactly what you were doing. So go fuck your pot/kettle analogy.

Calm it down a bit. o.o

And this changes everything, doesn't it? You assume you are the newest player? Boy, you literally claimed that you initially thinks he is 'reation hunting by using crappy logic'.

He should take some lessons from you then, ah?

Scums trying to fit in town, doing what town wants him to do and quickly changes. Strong scum tell.

Examples of this pls.

Did you completely ignore the entire Mutley ordeal? The dude was clearly being anti-town and ruining the game by being a cunt in general. Are you implying this is what I'm doing? I voted Mutley because I thought him being at L-1 would make him stop ruining the game. It's not that hard to comprehend.

I did not. But you didn't, did you? Clearly after building up some tension with your exchange with MP5, you needed someone to 'scumhunt' and use as a scapegoat. Mutley would be perfect for you.

What? Mutley deserved that. We got the info we needed out of him. And even if it wasn't mutley, who? The art of scumhunting is attacking someone for information or luring them into a logical trap. Seeing as how we were pretty much fresh out of RVS pretty much, you couldn't really just attack the first person you saw and called them scum. As mafia or as town, that wouldn't make sense. So what are you talking about here?

Also, a quick warning for your scum-buddy. If you want to look like as if you are a town, please do not play this game by just defending yourself. Learn to town.

Stop using fallacy of "You're scum, so that's why you act this way" because it's NEVER a good way to find information. Always keep an open mind to the truth.

scummy behavior as just being his playstyle

Mind telling me exactly what scummy behaviour is?

@Mod, do you think you can contact slimer to see when his V/LA will end?

I told him it would be till next Christmas so you could have me as a gift

Please ignore the first post, I accidently pressed send instead of preview e.e

Tags fixed... belatedly. (Equinox)

[Xiao Long]

... :0? I don't know what you're getting at here. How is inviting everyone to sit back and watch you and Mutley devour each other part of your plan?

My thought process was that at least one of the players not involved in the me-mutley-sadille three-way was scum.

This is going slow now. I'm tempted to join MP5 on the didi lynch. As the more I read the post the more it makes sense. I have this feeling though I can't shake and there's nothing to it really but that xiao and mp5 are the mafia.

You continue to be quite sheepish, it seems. You think I'm scum, we've established this. You also think MP5 is scum, but wait, you actually agree with MP5 and think Didi is scum. Would you mind delivering some reads, because all I see is you leaving yourself open to hop on whatever wagon takes off first.

Did you... Did you mean for that to be a haiku..?

Yeah, all my earlier posts were haiku except for one where I fucked up and went 5-8-5. ;.;
Also, thanks for the post, Slimer. You've gained more town points in my book with that.



As far as everyone else, can we get some activity or something?

[Equinox]

Spadille has been prodded.

[theslimer3]

Yeah, and that one just happened to be the one I saw first xD

Also too, I think
A haiku's 5 7 5
Must have a structure

o.o

[MP5]

I can see where you're coming from, but you're wrong.

Sorry. You convinced me.
UNVOTE:

So, I get it that you suspect me, but you're on the wrong track. I'm just a clueless townie.

Oh, undeniably. Irrefutable.

Guys, he said he is town. He must be.

I was actually expecting to get called out sooner

Hold on ... If you are town, then why would you expect to be called out? We're all working from the same pool of information, if there's nothing to deduce then we'd all be in the same boat and there wouldn't be anything to call you out on.

I don't like haikus
They're terribly annoying
And they suck

Well, not really ... A very cleverly crafted one can win my affection, but not many are.

Yes Muttley, sheep me on didi.

VOTE: Didi

[MP5]

Haikus are easy
But they don't always make sense
Hippopotamus

Didi, you should probably vote who you think is scummiest.

[Voodoo Lady]

After rereading his ISO, I've come to the conclusion that Mutley is more likely than not scum.

I obviously wasn't threatened as shown by my 'dry' answers answer that. Just because you want a straight up answer isn't my fault also shown by just common sense why would I be threatened by a first vote? Secondly I called him easily swayed because he did as I said even if it was because he said he would. Hence pointless they could have been answered by anyone or by using your own common sense.

What bothered me about Mutley's early posts wasn't really their content. It was their tone. I don't mean his anger-- his early posts were mostly devoid of anger or rash judgment or whatever you want to say about them now. No, what bothered me about his early posts is that all of them seemed to have some level of sarcasm to them.

Sarcasm isn't necessarily an indicator of scumminess, but it does benefit scum to have their posts worded in a jokey fashion. If you make a post that proves incriminating later on, you can negate it with an Obviously That Was A Joke or something. I didn't really care how you answered the questions I asked, as long as you didn't just try to back out of the statement by saying that it shouldn't have been taken seriously... which you then promptly did.

Why would I claim something though? I would only be helping the mafia by possibly getting town roles out in the open on day 1, how would that help? I'd like to clarify what I mean by not learn anything, I mean nothing can be set it stone day 1. It is only till day 2 that we can possibly try and confirm what we think we learnt or throw it out. I don't mind being the first guy gone. It will hopefully as I say help you learn more for day 2. Ie look more into yours and xegs posts here. (don't think both are mafia) I'm sure when the day ends, 1 mafia will be voting me and 1 won't.

Why would you make a post treating your role as a mystery after you'd already very clearly stated you were vanilla? What kind of townie wouldn't remember what they'd claimed?

Yes there are a lot of ways to play, mine is usually troll day 1 maybe day 2. Then I get good reads by the end of day 2.

Oh I've said I am a vanilla, I'm sure I have. Even if not I've implied it a lot.

Ignoring that you claimed to be implying that you had a power role when it was convenient for you (to accuse Xeg of being opportunistic mafia), anyone who claims during D1 that their playstyle involves only getting serious about the game during D2 is not to be taken seriously.

Pretty sure on of king pin or xiao are mafia. If not both.

VOTE:

xiao long

Mainly because he keeps calling everyone a cunt. Whereas at least kingpin is nice.

First part of the quote is interesting for reasons we'll see later. Second part of the quote strikes me as bandwagoning disguised as OMGUS, given the timing-- sheeping Spadille would look suspicious, but voting for someone because they called you a cunt looks like bad play.

I have to agree with xiao. While not impossible i don't think xiao and kingpin are both scum. If they are it would be a bit obvious? However that can also be a ploy, sometimes it's so obvious it can't be true! So they could be playing that angle.

Wait, what? Didn't you say you thought they were both scum in the post I just quoted? And now you're back to saying they aren't. Explain??

Also, I'm pretty sure you of all people shouldn't be using the words "so obvious it can't be true" w/r/t someone's scumminess...

Basically I think the odds of Mutley being scum are still pretty good-- good enough that I'm willing to keep my vote on him. The Didi wagon is interesting but I need to reanalyze his posts before making a decision on it.

[Mutleyddmc]

So voodoo you start by saying that I am more than likely not scum. Then say they chances of Mutley being scum are quite good? The reason I say that about kingpin and xiao are because you can never rule anything out in this game. If they were both scum it's as I said in that quote. It seems too obvious, so we are unlikely to look at it. I can use it if I want. And my god the whole I voted for someone cos he called me a cunt is going too far. I used it as a tie breaker not as the only reason.

Xiao the reason I think both you and mp5 could be together was the early attacks of each other. However it was more a passing comment and just a thought as I said rather than any solid evidence so I won't be taking it further for now.

I actually don't like slimers post to me it seems more like fluff covered up in 'analysis'. Lots of already said points and a quote with I forgot my point here?

[theslimer3]

@mp5
I know what you mean.
They are just so easy, bro.
Rubber cabbage food

Mutt: so what exactly about it strikes as "fake" then?

[Didi]

I can see where you're coming from, but you're wrong.

Sorry. You convinced me.
UNVOTE:

So, I get it that you suspect me, but you're on the wrong track. I'm just a clueless townie.

Oh, undeniably. Irrefutable.

Guys, he said he is town. He must be.

I was actually expecting to get called out sooner

Hold on ... If you are town, then why would you expect to be called out? We're all working from the same pool of information, if there's nothing to deduce then we'd all be in the same boat and there wouldn't be anything to call you out on.

I don't like haikus
They're terribly annoying
And they suck

Well, not really ... A very cleverly crafted one can win my affection, but not many are.

Yes Muttley, sheep me on didi.

VOTE: Didi

I expected to be called out because if I were one of you guys I would have definitely suspected me with the way I've been posting, changing wagons and doing a shit job of applying pressure.
Thing is, I knew that, yet I didn't change my style. Why? Because I don't worry about my posting style because I've got nothing to hide.

Haikus are easy
But they don't always make sense
Hippopotamus

Didi, you should probably vote who you think is scummiest.

Fair enough, nothing will happen if people don't vote. We're about halfway into the dayphase.
VOTE: Xegarus

[Xiao Long]

So voodoo you start by saying that I am more than likely not scum.

You misread. She didn't say more likely not scum, she said more likely than not scum. Means she thinks you're scum.

I don't like haikus
They're terribly annoying
And they suck

obvscum, lynch nao.


Seriously though, I'm not sure about the Didi wagon. He seems pretty confident in his playstyle - too much so to be considered scum just yet, but it remains to be seen.
The only one I'm fairly certain is scum is Mutley. And the only one I'm fairly certain is town is Voodoo.
All you other fuckers keep changing places in my graph =P

Quote tag fixed. (Equinox)

[Xiao Long]

I'm bad at quote tags
Equi, fix it for me, please.
Thank you very much.

[MP5]

I understand Muttley's misread though, it took me two reads to work out exactly what Voodoo was originally saying, and two reads to get the wording of Muttley's reply. Thing is, "more likely than not" and "more than likely not" are so easy to confuse, look so similar to the eye on first glance but complete opposites.

Confident in his playstyle? His "playstyle" is the lack of confidence, which I read as less of a playstyle tell and more of an alignment tell. More tellingly, its when he becomes less confident - he confidently pushes on Muttley's wagon while it's rolling, more confidently tries to push it after it stops for a little bit, but leaves himself an out when he declares "if Mutley isn't mafia though I don't know what to think". The backflip between posts #152 and #187 is incriminating. Not to mention the awful reaction to the fake hammer.

@Didi - jump.

[MP5]

Muttley, my dear friend,
Pray do tell before the end
How slimer is scum

Meh, think I'm over the haikus now ...

Poetic licence
Only extends as far as
You can throw a fridge

[Mutleyddmc]

Never said slimer was scum. Just wasn't as impressed with his post as others.

[Mutleyddmc]

And obviously I misread voodoo them. However you should probably be more clear next time! I wouldn't put the words not and scum next to each other when I'm trying to call someone scum!

[Mutleyddmc]

I love your questioning on my post 149 voodoo. Mainly because you say I has clearly stated I was vanilla. However all the posts at the time were from xiao and xeg asking for a claim!! It shows ISOing posts can take out context. But also you must have thought I'd claimed vanilla from my ISO. Which is at the time what I thought I had too, hence some of my answers in the next few posts. This is why I love it.

[Mutleyddmc]

... :0? I don't know what you're getting at here. How is inviting everyone to sit back and watch you and Mutley devour each other part of your plan?

My thought process was that at least one of the players not involved in the me-mutley-sadille three-way was scum

I want to question your thinking here. You did something because it meant you could narrow down 1 in 6 to scum? You should surely be scum hunting by doing things that would increase the probability over just doing a random generator. Getting 1 in 6 is worse than just random generating one of the 9 to lynch.

[Xiao Long]

I understand Muttley's misread though, it took me two reads to work out exactly what Voodoo was originally saying, and two reads to get the wording of Muttley's reply. Thing is, "more likely than not" and "more than likely not" are so easy to confuse, look so similar to the eye on first glance but complete opposites.

Don't misunderstand me, I'm not lambasting him for his misread, just trying to clear it up.

but leaves himself an out when he declares "if Mutley isn't mafia though I don't know what to think".

That sentence makes sense to me, though. Because Mutley was so scummy that if he ended up flipping town, it would completely throw him off. Honestly, it would throw me off, too. I'd have to review my reads quite a bit. Though, this may just be me rationalising.

... :0? I don't know what you're getting at here. How is inviting everyone to sit back and watch you and Mutley devour each other part of your plan?

My thought process was that at least one of the players not involved in the me-mutley-sadille three-way was scum

I want to question your thinking here. You did something because it meant you could narrow down 1 in 6 to scum? You should surely be scum hunting by doing things that would increase the probability over just doing a random generator. Getting 1 in 6 is worse than just random generating one of the 9 to lynch.

How is 1 in 6 worse than 1 in 9? I have a higher percentage of finding scum in a smaller pool.
9 players, 2 of which are scum.
I know I'm not scum, and I'm fairly confident voodoo isn't scum so that leaves 7.
2 of 7 players are scum.
Two of the seven are arguing with me, and of those two, I think one is scum.
The other scum is with the rest of the group who are not in the middle of the argument which is now down to 5 people. I have a 20% chance of randomly guessing scum correctly.

It's easier to look really in-depth into five people than it is to look really in-depth into seven, would you not agree?

[Mutleyddmc]

What I'm saying is you are saying there is only 1 of those 6 is scum. So if we were to pick on of those we would get a 16.6 percent chance of hitting mafia. However if we just took the whole group of 9 of us and picked one we would have a 22.2 percent chance.

[Mutleyddmc]

However if you say it's 1 in 5 (sorry I didn't read your post completely. That's still less chance than just asking a random generator and picking one of all of us. If you are going to use a tactic to scum hunt you need to make sure your tactic is increasing the chances of just randomising it. You have not.