Newbie 1351: Hyrule's Under Attack.. Interesting..-GAME OVER

VisceraEyes · Post Post #950 (ISO) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 9:03 am

Someone gotta die. *shrug*

VisceraEyes · Post Post #951 (ISO) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 9:04 am

The man of the hour. Mac I think you're scum. Tell me who your scummate is and/or we kill you today.

Mac · Post Post #952 (ISO) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 9:21 am

Not sure how I'm getting votes here... For keeping my votes to myself? For letting the game play out?

Sure, I could've hopped on a Deras wagon early on. Or, I could've let him adjust to the style of play at mafiascum like I had to when I first joined and still am adjusting too. I come from a forum where throwing around your vote looks scummy; you can ISO any of my games to see this "cheerleading" I apparently do. Assuming the cheerleading is talking about cases and not following through.

Obviously our playstyles are totally different where I keep my options/reads open (which I know is sometimes dangerous; more often than not works) and you like to focus on keeping your cards close to your chest. That doesn't make me nor you scum though.

In post 936, fferyllt wrote: General observations - Long periods of no vote, really sticky vote on me, stayed on Carey for a long time while slot was filled, as though there was nothing more to sort re other players without that replacement. Absent from game thread for long periods. Follows/supports GM frequently, including his vote today on Eye. Misreps? Misunderstandings? Took a long damn time to work out the flaws in his case on me.

It's a tight, cautious game.

Not voting is my playstyle to begin with I'm afraid: I like to analyse things without throwing my vote around most of the time. You can meta that too forst the most part, sometimes I change it if I find something particularly telling.

"sticky vote" - not sure how this means but we've already been over it: I won't push a case based on misreps. I admit my mistakes and move on. This was the case with VE, although I didn't admit my mistakes upon looking back. Thought I did.

"stayed on Carey" - this isn't really telling in my opinion like; thought Carey was stupid town or scum. Couldn't decide which. VE I'm still stuck with.

"Absent from game" - yeah, that's real life. I'm not even gonna apologise cos there's nothing I can do if I can't get on MS, ya know?

"Eye vote" - yeah, I didn't follow GM on this because I pointed out some questions in the post I posed for her. She was a townread until she falsely accused me of buddying so she's null now and I'm waiting for a response. The post I voted Eye for was terrible, I didn't vote him for voting GM like you seem to insinuate but for his reasoning of "for Deras" which was just shit.

Taking a long time on flaws? Sometimes I'm stupid. I'm working on the derp part of my game.

p-edits; I don't have a scum-mate. Is this because your Z wagon has stalled?

Can't say I like you two teaming up, either. What if the other is scum? Think for yourselves. Alsoooo ff:

In post 936, fferyllt wrote:
I can't follow up on a case that is based on a misrep, it wouldn't be right and it wouldn't be town.
If you're town, then by definition what you are doing is being town. The only question is how effective you are being as town.

Not sure what this is. If you want I can show you both my pretty effective town games (if I do say so myself) in my meta? But I'm not sure what you are getting at.

VisceraEyes · Post Post #953 (ISO) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 9:23 am

Townies don't think in terms of what looks scummy. They think in terms of how to find scum. Not voting because on your other site "that looked scummy" is a scummy mindset to have. Just sayin.

Mac · Post Post #954 (ISO) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 9:27 am

It's what I've carried over onto this site, like it or not. I've learned that sometimes, you can say things that are taken the complete wrong way and be lynched for "scumslips" that don't exist. Even on this site.

I'd point you to the game, but it's still ongoing.

VisceraEyes · Post Post #955 (ISO) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 9:29 am

I prefer if you don't clutter the thread with meaningless links. Anything and everything can and does happen in a Mafia game. Just because something happened in another game you can link to doesn't mean that the situation is the same here at all. That you're insisting you have "proof" of such a vague concept as "scumslips" is just indicative of you grasping.

VisceraEyes · Post Post #956 (ISO) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 9:33 am

Why are you not trying to push your lynch on Eye Mac? He's who you're voting for right? Instead of come in here and say you can prove that people get lynched for false scumslips, why not try and convince me that Eye is a good lynch?

Mac · Post Post #957 (ISO) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 9:35 am

Nope that's not me grasping at all. I'm explaining why I'm pretty cautious.

Hey, I'll get to that. You seem pretty cert on me being scum over nothing, though. I explained why I wasn't cheerleading and how you're lynching me based on playstyle and you haven't even responded to it.

VisceraEyes · Post Post #958 (ISO) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 9:38 am

You are cheerleading, you haven't explained anything. You've been cheerleading wagons without adding your vote. Just because you're "being cautious" doesn't mean you're not posting things that are encouraging the wagons. That's CHEERLEADING the wagons. You haven't explained to the contrary at all.

Mac · Post Post #959 (ISO) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 9:51 am

As for Eye, I haven't like him since AA9 joined.

I already stated that he tried to back up AA9's "one scum in IC/2SE because mod didn't randomize" argument with maths and logic which I think his him possibly subtly pushing towards this to get people towards pushing an IC/SE scumhunt and away from him. It felt like it was sorta buddying AA9 too, softpushing her poor argument with probablity and logic. Like I said earlier though, he voted her afterwards which is like a complete chnge and he moves quickly from 'terrible town' to 'scum.'

He offers his vote for GM in #210 and then doesn't vote her until #401 and quickly unvotes with some revelation that needs a reread. he doesn't really explain as such, and then reveals a re-read hasn't actually changed his opinion but clouded it up.

And then there's the second GM vote, "for Deras." Looks like he's using Deras as an excuse to vote GM, then his case comes after GM pushes for it. Why wait? Makes no sense to me.

pedit; I do that as town, playstyle and things, ya know? It's not a part I'm proud of and it's something I'm actively trying to change. Can you point to times where I've been a "cheerleader?"

fferyllt · Post Post #960 (ISO) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 9:56 am

The thing with Eye's maths and logic, though had nothing to do with AA's theory that scum were purposefully seeded, 1 among the SE's-IC and 1 among the scum. His math was about the probability of finding randomly assigned scum among the SE/IC group unless I completely and totally misunderstood his formulae.

It was basically a nerdy digression.

fferyllt · Post Post #961 (ISO) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 9:57 am

^^ 1 among the newbies.

VisceraEyes · Post Post #962 (ISO) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 10:03 am

feryl just did on the last page - from an subjective standpoint considering I was at L-1 yesterday your "suspicion" of me when I entered the thread I also count.

VisceraEyes · Post Post #963 (ISO) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 10:05 am

Wait maybe I only made it up to L-2...who cares, it still counts. Rev had voiced suspicion and said his vote was well placed.

fferyllt · Post Post #964 (ISO) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 10:10 am

Did you finish reading the thread?

Mac · Post Post #965 (ISO) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 10:11 am

In post 962, VisceraEyes wrote:feryl just did on the last page - from an subjective standpoint considering I was at L-1 yesterday your "suspicion" of me when I entered the thread I also count.

She pointed to a Deras wagon which I explained. ^

Please clarify what you mean in the second sentence?

fferyllt · Post Post #966 (ISO) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 10:12 am

In post 925, VisceraEyes wrote:In Angel's 264 in her "catch up" post, she was suspicious of only Eye Urn and Rev. It should be quite interesting to see how that flips around.

What was your takeaway here?

VisceraEyes · Post Post #967 (ISO) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 10:20 am

I never really did see her follow up on that. Funny that. Thanks for reminding me!

Like, the next post she refers to Eye was in 502 where she comments on his maths. Never mentions what she found suspicious before, and doesn't seem interested in gauging his alignment in this post either. Simply supporting a statement that superficially supports her own.

VisceraEyes · Post Post #968 (ISO) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 10:31 am

So here's where I stand after a reread.

Will Not Lynch

VisceraEyes/fferyllt/Eye Urn
Revenus/goodmorning
Z7-852
ArcAngel9/Deras
Mac

Will Lynch With Fire

Mac · Post Post #969 (ISO) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 10:33 am

In post 965, Mac wrote:
In post 962, VisceraEyes wrote:feryl just did on the last page - from an subjective standpoint considering I was at L-1 yesterday your "suspicion" of me when I entered the thread I also count.
She pointed to a Deras wagon which I explained. ^

Please clarify what you mean in the second sentence?

fferyllt · Post Post #970 (ISO) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 10:33 am

Why is Deras where he is?

VisceraEyes · Post Post #971 (ISO) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 10:34 am

I count your suspicion of me as I entered the thread as "cheerleading my lynch" because you never supported it with a vote.

VisceraEyes · Post Post #972 (ISO) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 10:34 am

Deras is...a mystery. He's an X factor. He was here yesterday and he actually voted me when the wagon took off. Do you know where he stands on me presently? Do you know if he actually thinks GM is scum?

Mac · Post Post #973 (ISO) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 10:36 am

My vote was already on you.

VisceraEyes · Post Post #974 (ISO) » Wed Apr 17, 2013 10:36 am

Oh, well there you have it. I still think you're scum, so meh.