Newbie 1351: Hyrule's Under Attack.. Interesting..-GAME OVER

[Mac]

Don't hammer yet, I haven't read anything other than the last posts. It's not going to be beneficial to hammer me without letting me post my thoughts. It's also the weekend, i haven't been able to post that much over the board lately.

VOTE: GiF

Because that L-1 vote was proper opportunistic. I guess you only see it if you know I'm town but yeah, thinking he's scum now.

Again, would prefer time to post my thoughts because tomorrow will be lylo so hang fire until tuesday at least.

[fferyllt]

agreed. Someone want to unvote to avoid derpiness?

[GuyInFreezer]

Oh hello Mac. Where have you been?

[Mac]

Out. Weekend, you know?

[goodmorning]

GiF replaced into a slot that looked really townish.

Explain.

You disagree that Revenus looked townish? I thought so, and I thought GiF's posts upon replacing also looked townish.

I felt Rev was Null at best. I do not see where you found a Townread on him. On GIF, sure, but on Rev?


I really want to hear from VE right now.

[GuyInFreezer]

Sure.

Because you suddenly popping in with you on L-1 and instant-OMGUSing me makes me think otherwise.

[Mac]

Coincidence.

Your shitvote was some fine opportunism, though.

[GuyInFreezer]

Explain how it's some fine opportunism when I have a valid reason to vote you unlike your vote on me.
Also you'll have to explain how L-1 vote is opportunistic. (Even though I didn't know that it was L-1 till ffer told me)

[fferyllt]

GiF replaced into a slot that looked really townish.

Explain.

You disagree that Revenus looked townish? I thought so, and I thought GiF's posts upon replacing also looked townish.

I felt Rev was Null at best. I do not see where you found a Townread on him. On GIF, sure, but on Rev?


I really want to hear from VE right now.

His posts all had a town feel to them. I especially liked the post where he raked me over the coals for thinking that Deras could be a sleeper, pretending mafia naivety, but since doing something close to that was my modus in my first MS game, I think I'll always have that possibility in mind with new-ish players who show understanding of fundamentals but act a little uncertain.

You and Eye seemed to doubt Revenus and I took that under advisement. The stuff ineffective brought up re Rev's Deras vote was interesting, though. I focused on you during that wagon's development.

[Ineffective]

UNVOTE: oh my alot happened while i was asleep lemme catch up

[Ineffective]

Fyi i had an errie feeling that gif/goodmorning were setting up for a push on me tomorrow... Which would be the appropriate move if they were both scum. As i have shown unwillingness to vote anyone besides them with my posts... Does that mean mac is town or am i paranoid?

[fferyllt]

Mac's reaction to the bandwagon has a townish feel to me.

[Ineffective]

I am seriously considering asking for claims in the order of goodmorning>mac>gif>VE>i dont care who goes after that... Does anyone else think this could be appropriate/benificial?

[Ineffective]

Feel free to edit the order if you mostly agree

[fferyllt]

day 2 claims? I dunno, seems a little early. I feel like I can scumhunt without that info for now, and I'd like for scum to be in the dark as much as possible both in terms of what town PRs are in play and who has them. day 3 would be a different story. with potentially 2 rolecop views along with kills, scum will already have things narrowed down, and the knowledge of what happened when at night will help town.

[goodmorning]

Yeah, D2 is way too early for claims, especially with no scumflips. I was just in a game that Town made hopelessly confused with a D2 massclaim and lost.

If D3 is LyLo, it could potentially be appropriate then. If D3 is not LyLo, then it probably wouldn't.

In my opinion this is blatant rolefishing and thus blatantly scummy.

@Ine: If I am your top scumread, as indicated by your hypothetical claim order, why are you not voting me? You've not had a problem voting before.

[goodmorning]

And before I get questions:

Rolefishing is not ever proTown. EVER. The only motivation one can have to rolefish is that they are Scum.

[fferyllt]

Yeah, D2 is way too early for claims, especially with no scumflips. I was just in a game that Town made hopelessly confused with a D2 massclaim and lost.

If D3 is LyLo, it could potentially be appropriate then. If D3 is not LyLo, then it probably wouldn't..

depends. town basically lost my first newbie game on day 3 when the JK didn't out her targets after my kill went missing on night 2. Day 4 was LYLO, but with the JK night killed and no breadcrumbs, I wasn't in the frame. my scum partner had a lot of suspicion on him, but we managed a quickhammer when a town player put a vote down on another townie.

[Ineffective]

Id have to say that with no claims my vote is best placed on goodmorning for now.... Im gunna look up some completed scumflips.

Pedit the problem with a d3 lylo massclaim is that mafia will almost ceartainly claim pr--- which could mix things up in the right sequence of actual prs. Today a massclaim would almost force mafia to claim VT--- also mafia wont be prepared as to who is claiming what . D3 generally seems apropriate.... But lets say mac is town and isnt lynched - he would be an obvious VTfor not claiming at l-1 and if mafia rolecopped outside of him that leaves mafia with an excelent chance of hitting a PRanyways.


If you genuinely think i am merely rolefishing i have to pause a moment and scofff - i am much more efficient at role-fishing than blatently asking if it would be acceptable to massclaim

[Ineffective]

And before I get questions:

Rolefishing is not ever proTown. EVER. The only motivation one can have to rolefish is that they are Scum.

actually this is false and i am disapointed in you for breaking your IC promise relating to not lying about mechanics. It always entirely depends on the situation and if you are a PRyourself - actually - any case where you can pecieve a pr as town without letting scum know that you percieve that PRis benificial to town - also --- having that read and outting it to the public is not a scumtell because scum has no incentive to share that information when they can just night kill it --- i could list more scenarios where it is a total non-tell because of mechanic related reasons but suffice to say your broad stroke statement is bullshit

[Ineffective]

You know the best way to rolefish as scum? Put someone at L-1 --- i didnt see you fossing GIF for doing that?

[Ineffective]

Here is a perfect meta reference that i am sorting through

Here both mac and goodmorning are scum http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... &start=800

Short game. Good source to analyze tone and compare

[Ineffective]

Interesting to note goodmorning townread his partber mac stating "newbtown" early game when a lil pressure was on him ... Did GM do that to anyone here? Not that it means anything just curious regarding the bigger picture

[Ineffective]

Btw -I keep debating in my head if macs response to l-1 was a towny post or not. As scum it would resemble a lazy stalling technique and easy towntell to make... One that i have used several times.... But i have said similar things as town... Its all in the tone.

[fferyllt]

I'm less than halfway through the game. reading it in context I'm seeing a vrey different Mac from this game.