Newbie 1351: Hyrule's Under Attack.. Interesting..-GAME OVER

[Ineffective]

I wasnt talking to mac i was talking to you and you know that. you have a habit of skirting around things and acting like someone is unjustly attacking you. there is no town motivation not to claim the pr role that you obviously intend to claim (as i had predicted) as a final rolefish before you die.

Theoretically, if you were town and have a pr that has information that might be useful you are squandering the chance to out it before mafia Instahammers you into an easy 3-way lylo after they are instahammered tomorrow for hammering a pr... If you were the solo pr you would be risking a final day with no clears and mafia potentially claiming a second pr... If there are 2 it doesnt matter a damn if you out your role with said ibformation because you can be protected.... There is no town motivation for not claiming after an extended period of time unless you are inexperienced or chicken-shit... Of which you are neither.

The only motivation i can see for you not claiming the pr that you are planning on claiming is that you are scum hoping the wagon will die without you making a commital claim....

If i hadnt voted you yet i would hammer you after a final warning... I sure hope someone comes along with the balls and the sense to at least declare intent --- or be ballsy enough to just hammer before you can fish or ride unccd because the pr you claimed isnt in the game

[Ineffective]

Tl;dr

There is no way im changing my mind no matter what you claim and i hope everyone else feels the same way

[Ineffective]

P.s. If there is a pr that hasnt voted GM yet its time to hammmer him

P.p.s. Im pretty sure i just carried the game or ruined it. I see no reason to back down as he hasnt adressed any of the actual reasons that were stated for voting him and has instead chose to skirt around it with the subplot of debatable terminology

P.p.p.s. How do you fish GM? personally i leave my hook in the water with some bait and wait for a bite... Apparently you think fishing involves asking a fish if it is a fish

[Z7-852]

Okey this have been interesting day when I was away. Can't say that I like this kind of chatty form of play but it's just me. Can't mine much information out of it but I will try my best.

I agree with fferyllt (#1624) that

GuyInFreeze

is most likely a townie. Still little null about him but he haven't done anything that makes me think he's a scum. He have been too quiet though after the Mac wagon broke (again).

Don't know what to think about how

Mac

wagon turned out. fferyllt was willing to hammervote him (#1623). This isn't really nothing interesting because fferyllt have noted that she finds Mac suspicious. Other thing was a response vote against GuyInFreeze (#1625) after he put Mac on L-1. I wouldn't read too much about this because there really wasn't any case because vote wasn't opportunism like Mac pointed out (#1631). Scum wouldn't gain anything about this and neither would a townie. But I would still like to say this response looked little more like a townie panic than a scum move.

Love how careful

Inneffective

was when he returned to game (#1634). To me this looks a like a clear town move to prevent a miss. On the other hand didn't like the discussion about claims (#1637). Due to the format there is 50% that any claim is false (that claimed role doesn't exist in the game) and this gives a relatively good chance for scum to protect oneself. Inneffective have been quite active and town like during yesterday in other ways. Making clear recaps (#1654) (#1657) from the past and building relatively solid cases. He is now leaning toward more town to me than GuyInFreeze. Any suspicions against EyeUrn have mostly been uplifted (those were mostly due lurking).

Once again I have to disagree with

goodmorning

about theory (#1641). fferyllt pointed out a clear example (#1639) where roleclaims are good thing and if rolecop won't release such information rolefishing is useful for the town. Inneffective pointed out (#1654) that goodmorning also played hypocritically when attacking Inneffective for rolefishing and not GuyInFreeze earlier. Noted that situation (#1295) was different but still. There were also couple good cases (#1656) against goodmorning. But once have to give credit where credit is due. goodmornings defence (#1699) was good. But so was Ineffectives responce (#1700). I have founded goodmorning to be scummy almost the whole game and I still have to stand behind that.

VisceraEyes

comes again with budding of a sort (#1679). Still saying this looks little suspicious but everyone else seems to think he's a townie. But this pushing (#1688) that he is making against goodmorning (#1692) is making me re-think my stand on VisceraEyes/goodmorning scum team. If goodmorning is flipped town it's clear to me that VisceraEyes is scum but can't trush on him completely even if goodmorning is a scum. VisceraEyes likes to vote for anyone but this is first time he have held vote on goodmorning this long.

I intend to hammer goodmorning

if nothing drastic will happen. I would also like to note that any claims have 50% to be completely false. Will do this before I get to sleep (in 7-8 h)

Scumometer (tm)
fferyllt < Ineffective < GuyInFreezer < Mac < goodmorning < VisceraEyes

[GuyInFreezer]

I intend to hammer goodmorning if nothing drastic will happen.

I would also like to note that any claims have 50% to be completely false.

Theoretically, it is correct. But context-wise, what did you have in mind when you posted this?

[GuyInFreezer]

Explain how it's some fine opportunism when I have a valid reason to vote you unlike your vote on me.
Also you'll have to explain how L-1 vote is opportunistic. (Even though I didn't know that it was L-1 till ffer told me)

Mac, you owe me the answer.

Also, I love how Mac disappeared again after the pressure on him was relieved.

[Z7-852]

I agree with GuyInFreeze (#1705) about that Mac is lurking far to much. This just makes him look suspicious.
What comes to my hammer intend and claim thing (#1704), I won't blindly trust any claim that goodmorning even if no other player with similar role reveals themselves.

[GuyInFreezer]

Ok. Just making sure. I confirm my townread on you.

[goodmorning]

@GIF: Dude, it's a weekend. Most people have lives on the weekend. I think you're reading too far into it.

I wasnt talking to mac i was talking to you and you know that.

Again, If you could tell me what post you're talking about that would be cool.

There is no town motivation for not claiming after an extended period of time unless you are inexperienced or chicken-shit... Of which you are neither.

This appears to be a playstyle difference. Just because you don't see it doesn't mean there is one.

Once again I have to disagree with

goodmorning

about theory (#1641). fferyllt pointed out a clear example (#1639) where roleclaims are good thing and if rolecop won't release such information rolefishing is useful for the town.

Once again I have to point out that that's not rolefishing, and the "claims" that I called bad for town D2 is massclaim. Individual claims may be advisable.

But so was Ineffectives responce (#1700).

Ineffective's response is a pile of donkey dung saying basically "Why won't you claim? Why won't you claim?

I

can't understand why you won't claim so you must be Scum!"
That is the argument from personal incredulity, and it is a logical fallacy. It is not a good argument in the slightest.

Since I have received intent, I will now claim.
I am the jailkeeper. I jailkept Z last night which tells us fuck-all because this PR is a pile of shit when there's a mislynch D1 instead of everyone fucking listening to you.
I did crumb it, albeit not that well. I have used the word "keep" as often as I could fit it in edgewise (starting in post 23) and in my early example about the Blockbuster (post 98) I was arrested (I thought the phrase "send me to jail" was a wee bit too obvious, even for me).
(23, 33 47, 84, 86, 148, 174, 209, 246, 438, 661, 708, 860 (a lot), 874, 876, 914, 1697, 1699) are the posts in which I managed to get the word "keep".

[Mac]

Don't hammer yet, I haven't read anything other than the last posts. It's not going to be beneficial to hammer me without letting me post my thoughts. It's also the weekend, i haven't been able to post that much over the board lately.

VOTE: GiF

Because that L-1 vote was proper opportunistic. I guess you only see it if you know I'm town but yeah, thinking he's scum now.

Again, would prefer time to post my thoughts because tomorrow will be lylo so hang fire until tuesday at least.

Which part of this isn't clear that I'm pretty busy? I'm hardly posting around the site in general, right now hence the wait until tuesday. Don't think it's very fair to judge me on that.

[Mac]

Ugh that claim has thrown a spanner in the works. No one hammer, thanks.

[GuyInFreezer]

Again, would prefer time to post my thoughts because tomorrow will be lylo so hang fire until tuesday at least.

Hmm. How did I miss this part?

[Mac]

...?

[goodmorning]

Again, would prefer time to post my thoughts because

tomorrow will be lylo

so hang fire until tuesday at least.

Hmm. How did I miss this part?

Yes, how did I miss that part as well? How did we all miss that part?

Mac, why are you talking like you're sure there's going to be a mislynch? I mean granted I wouldn't trust this Town to make me a tinfoil hat at this point, but that kind of debbie downerism is a scumtell on my books.

[Mac]

Because I was at L-1 at the time and there was intent to hammer?

[goodmorning]

Interesting.

[GuyInFreezer]

Interesting.

I'm hearing this line a lot lately.

[Mac]

I think I know my own alignment.

As a side note, those kind of posts really bug me because it's not giving me an insight into what you are thinking.

[Mac]

While I'm here, I will actually apologise for the lack of involvement. It's a bank holiday here so there's been alot of socialising and very little else. I am however free tomorrow aside from painting a shed, so I present my thoughts here.

[goodmorning]

Final thoughts on this game:
The Scum are Ineffective and Z. Z is continuing to drip scumtells. Ineffective has Townread him not for anything Town that he's done, but because ff has a Townread on him. This is an easy way around addressing all the reasons why your scumpartner is Scum. Logic tells are for Dethys, this is not one. Besides that, it's not even that logical - Townies are not infallible.

[Mac]

You are not lynched yet...?

[GuyInFreezer]

While I'm here, I will actually apologise for the lack of involvement. It's a bank holiday here so there's been alot of socialising and very little else. I am however free tomorrow aside from painting a shed, so I present my thoughts here.

Where do you live?

[Mac]

UK.

[goodmorning]

You are not lynched yet...?

No, but I'm going to keep doing final thoughts as the fancy strikes me. Hopefully I won't be the lynch today, but I'll probably be the kill tonight.

[GuyInFreezer]

You are not lynched yet...?

No, but I'm going to keep doing final thoughts as the fancy strikes me.

Hopefully I won't be the lynch today

, but I'll probably be the kill tonight.

Explain yourself on this one because it awfully looks like a scumslip.