Newbie 1351: Hyrule's Under Attack.. Interesting..-GAME OVER

[VisceraEyes]

Between the two you prefer Mac is that correct feryl?

Are you assuming that what we're seeing here is scumMac trying to buddy a townJK GM by hard defending her?

[Ineffective]

Im bavk. Posting in between crushing cans... Im solid on my vote

[fferyllt]

you too, Mac, if we're going to rap.

[fferyllt]

Between the two you prefer Mac is that correct feryl?

Are you assuming that what we're seeing here is scumMac trying to buddy a townJK GM by hard defending her?

I started liking Mac again when he posted on Sunday saying to give him until tomorrow to put his thoughts together for a wrap-up post.

I really haven't seen anything today that counterweights that.

So no, I'm not thinking Mac for lynch right now.

[fferyllt]

I'd be inclined to take a hard look at GiF next, actually.

[Ineffective]

And to VE... I didnt mean to demean your role nor anyone elses... But if GM is lynch it is ultimately my responsibility as game was stalling when i arrived and i rushed in a flurry of reading and posting my thoughts as i went then became the catalyst to two people being put on L-1. There is no denying that gm was my pet project and that i wrangled the votes to get him in this position for better or worse

Pedit: ive been meaning to look into gif closer... From what ive seen so far there isnt much to go off of

[Ineffective]

Guys did GM soft anything the first time he was at L-1?

[VisceraEyes]

GiF has been eerily silent...he replaced who? Revnus?

[Ineffective]

The d1 wagon on him deconstructing makes no sense to me and neither does his current pr claim if he didnt soft/crumb the moment he was L-1 yesterday

[goodmorning]

hard buddying each other.

You are an idiot.

and you didn't answer the questions in #1826

you must have misunderstood GMs post - he never said he breadcrumbed with arrested - he claimed that he was considering it and decided it would be too obvious---- an excuse to use such a comonly used word as a supposed breadcrumb when he never actually even crumbed with it before he claimed pr and merely used. It as something to make him look town WHICH ME AND FFER UNDENIABLY DISPROVED[/quote]
I did breadcrumb with arrested. I said it was going to be jail instead but I thought that would be too obvious. You must have misunderstood my post.

Why are you trying to get on ff's side?

Jailkeeper eh?

GM why you jail Z instead of your hardcore scumread EU? Did you crumb who you jailed at all? Because I have to say - judging from your "crumbs" I'd say you were in line to jailkeep feryl if you were going defensively, and because EU seemed to be higher on your scumpile at the end of the day yesterday (fmpov) the fact that you claim you jailed offensively aiming at Z leaves me having a hard time believing your claim.

Because Z was a Townread of more people iirc, making it more likely he'd do the kill because a PR would be less likely to target him.

MS mafia is weird.

Yes it is.

of all the PR's, JK is probably the worst in this game type.

Yes it is.

So it clearly didn't change her read of him...just made her less inclined to lynch him first I guess? Does that make sense from a town perspective?

This is precisely it.
Does it make sense? I don't know, but it's how it is.

plus once you are down to one scum in a game like this, JK also functions as a half-assed cop.

This IMO is the only thing to like about it.



I'm aware of how this will look, but right now I'm seriously reconsidering my ff read again. Her instaTown read on Ine despite his useless behaviour is bad, bad, bad.

PEDIT:

Guys did GM soft anything the first time he was at L-1?

I softclaimed having a PR: when AA9 said "you'll be lynched before me" I said something along the lines of "not likely".
Not that that means anything, it's not something hard to fake.

GiF has been eerily silent...he replaced who? Revnus?

Yes.

[VisceraEyes]

That is L-1, I think. If anyone intends to hammer, keep a vote off until you've stated intent and let me respond.

Also let me repeat that if you want to vote me, keep a lid on and state intent first.

Doesn't really seem worried outside of wanting to respond...so there's that. Soft. Ever so soft.

[Ineffective]

Scum or town you cant deny that there is hardbuddying between you and mac.... And "yor an idiot" isnt a good way to rebut obvious statements

[VisceraEyes]

Okay suppose we just buy the claim at face value for now. Where does Mac fall in all this? Hard-defending auto-assuming true claim.

[fferyllt]

Guys did GM soft anything the first time he was at L-1?

You'd have to be there to feel that, I think. The posts were coming fast and so were the votes. She made it really clear that she wanted someone to post intent before the hammer fell. And she definitely lost her cool in the middle of all that.

So did I.

[goodmorning]

Scum or town you cant deny that there is hardbuddying between you and mac.... And "yor an idiot" isnt a good way to rebut obvious statements

Other than just now where I said "good job mac", there hasn't been any buddying from me. And he's defending, which I would argue is different from buddying.

[Ineffective]

Mac falls under the catagory of scumbucket if i were to assume JK claim is legit. As does gif if my POE was accurate.

[Ineffective]

Scum or town you cant deny that there is hardbuddying between you and mac.... And "yor an idiot" isnt a good way to rebut obvious statements

Other than just now where I said "good job mac", there hasn't been any buddying from me. And he's defending, which I would argue is different from buddying.

no. When you are the only two fossing me while im deathtunneling you and mac is the only one assuming you are town and vice versa... There is CLEAR buddying

[Ineffective]

Ffer has good vibes on mac but this was a recent development so that logic still stands

[fferyllt]

Okay suppose we just buy the claim at face value for now. Where does Mac fall in all this? Hard-defending auto-assuming true claim.

kinda like I hard defend Z on the basis of a bunch of meta that nobody else can evaluate.

Was he auto-assuming true claim? I'll have to reread.

I was led to believe that site meta at least in the newbie games is to take un cc'd claims at face value unless the player is just unbelievably scummy.

ineffective thinks the player is just that, unbelievably scummy.

[VisceraEyes]

@1825: Look, I'm shit at crumbing and shit at playing PRs. You're asking me to disprove being scum. I'd do it in a heartbeat if any of the cases against me had any substance (or if the burden of proof were on me, which technically it isn't though this is a debate-type game so burden of proof arguments are somewhat tangential). They don't.

I see. I'm not entirely sure that makes sense (the math does, it's the logic I think is missing a step somewhere) but I see where you're coming from.




YOUUUUUUU GOOOOOO MACCCCC

This ventures into buddying territory I'm afraid.

[TraceyLyn11]

VOTE COUNT 2.7

[L-3] Z7-852: (goodmorning)

[L-4] fferyllt:

[L-3] Mac: (GuyInFreezer)

[L-3] Ineffective: (Mac)

[L-3] VisceraEyes: (Z7-852)

[L-4] GuyInFreezer:

[L-1] goodmorning: (Ineffective, fferyllt, VisceraEyes)

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• With seven alive, it takes four to lynch.
  
• Day Two's deadline: May 16, 2013 CST or in (expired on 2013-05-16 15:30:00).
  
• V/LA: No one.

[VisceraEyes]

Scum can't have a roleblocker either.

If a player is jailkept, is the player also roleblocked, and is that player notified of it if so?

[TraceyLyn11]

If a player is jailkept, is the player also roleblocked, and is that player notified of it if so?

Anyone who is jailed is role blocked. They will not be notified of being blocked.

[fferyllt]

Scum can't have a roleblocker either.

If a player is jailkept, is the player also roleblocked, and is that player notified of it if so?

I was jailkept in my first newbie game. I got a notification that I was unable to perform my role cop action. But, since I also did the night kill that night no kill happened either. I have no idea if people who didn't do night investigations would get a notification.


p-edit welp.

[goodmorning]

no. When you are the only two fossing me while im deathtunneling you and mac is the only one assuming you are town and vice versa... There is CLEAR buddying

If that were anything close to the definition of buddying I'd be worried.
Are people not allowed to share the same reads? Then you'd better accuse all five people with the same readslist D1 of buddying.

YOUUUUUUU GOOOOOO MACCCCC

This ventures into buddying territory I'm afraid.[/quote]
Like I said, that does, but one instance does not hard-buddying make.

If a player is jailkept, is the player also roleblocked, and is that player notified of it if so?

Anyone who is jailed is role blocked. They will not be notified of being blocked.

Which is why it sucks as a role in oldNewbie setups like this one.