Newbie 1351: Hyrule's Under Attack.. Interesting..-GAME OVER

[Ineffective]

I never said that scum has to kill a pr if we nl--- i said that if scum is VTclaim that would be the best play to avoid certain loss, and that was in reference to last nights actions.... No matter who is scum--- someone would eventually die unless scum was more stubborn than town in in no-lynching / no-killing to prevent flip tels. Or GM stayed on mac and mac couldnt kill

[VisceraEyes]

It's worth mentioning that with Z playing as inactive as he is this game, he's essentially not a factor in the lynch. That means that all townies who aren't Z, if Z is town, have to vote for scum to lynch it if scum isn't self-hammering.

Like, scum aren't going to kill him either - he's had me at the top of his scumlist all game and I'm not going anywhere...and he's inactive to boot. He's a staple in this game until the end.

If we want to get rid of him, now is the time incidentally...I'm weighing that as a possibility.

PEdit:
That's my point though - why is this experiment, by your estimation, a better course of action than just lynching the scummiest player and hoping for the best? Scum aren't going to be FORCED to do anything - if we assume that they sent in No Kill as their action, I have no reason to believe that just because we NL they're going to do anything differently...unless we just assume that scum didn't send in the kill on accident or something, that's their strategy and NLing just plays into that. They didn't want to kill so we didn't get any information - and now you want to not lynch? Providing further no information? So they can no kill again?

It doesn't make sense to me - and you're doing a shitty job of explaining it. Or maybe I'm just fucking retarded. Explain it to me like I'm fucking retarded because obviously I'm not as smart as you and can't figure it out.

[Ineffective]

and let me remind you VE --- that i said you were a probable scumteam with gif if GM was JK and i was awaiting someone to hammer him --- well before you claimed PR --- so i am well aware that my fos on you is. That confirmed with confirmation bias regarding nobody dying and your complete lack of willingness to vote GIFall game (while i was present at least) and utter avoidance of discussion regarding the GIFwagon before he self hammered

I am well aware of my bias to my own opinions and them being confirmed by my analysis but i am also well aware that the very same scenario implies GMis town--- in that case MAC is very likely scum for being JKD and read as a possible partner to gif by almost everyone

Pedit:this post is not inresponse to the last post- its pretty long and will get to it after this post

[fferyllt]

One of the reasons I'm not voting yet is because I want Z7's thoughts about Night 2 and Day 3 as it currently stands.

The other reason is that MS is turning me into an Ent.

[VisceraEyes]

One of the reasons I'm not voting yet is because I want Z7's thoughts about Night 2 and Day 3 as it currently stands.

The other reason is that MS is turning me into an Ent.

There are worse fates.

[Ineffective]

It's worth mentioning that with Z playing as inactive as he is this game, he's essentially not a factor in the lynch. That means that all townies who aren't Z, if Z is town, have to vote for scum to lynch it if scum isn't self-hammering.

Like, scum aren't going to kill him either - he's had me at the top of his scumlist all game and I'm not going anywhere...and he's inactive to boot. He's a staple in this game until the end.

If we want to get rid of him, now is the time incidentally...I'm weighing that as a possibility.

PEdit:
That's my point though - why is this experiment, by your estimation, a better course of action than just lynching the scummiest player and hoping for the best? Scum aren't going to be FORCED to do anything - if we assume that they sent in No Kill as their action, I have no reason to believe that just because we NL they're going to do anything differently...unless we just assume that scum didn't send in the kill on accident or something, that's their strategy and NLing just plays into that. They didn't want to kill so we didn't get any information - and now you want to not lynch? Providing further no information? So they can no kill again?

It doesn't make sense to me - and you're doing a shitty job of explaining it. Or maybe I'm just fucking retarded. Explain it to me like I'm fucking retarded because obviously I'm not as smart as you and can't figure it out.

Its not worth debating IMO --- if it was that important to me and if the option of lynching someone wasnt almost as appealing as my plan i would have attacked any other logic and deemed mine as superior and raged at anyone who didnt agree already

[VisceraEyes]

Also I'll just go ahead and tell you what Z will say.

VisceraEyes

is still scummy because of [post=X]X[/post]. [post=Y]Y[/post] is kinda a stretch and I don't agree with any of it. I wish he'd stop posting and just die already.

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[Ineffective]

Also I'll just go ahead and tell you what Z will say.

VisceraEyes

is still scummy because of [post=X]X[/post]. [post=Y]Y[/post] is kinda a stretch and I don't agree with any of it. I wish he'd stop posting and just die already.

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LOL ikr--- i hate his posting style

But that being said, i could use him as a tool for lynching you. and try to swing ffer my way. and threaten mac vith voting him ect. But id rather not because i am still hoping that mac is scum and we can just end the game today... and that if he isnt scuum we can sort out z7 and the prs later and consider the input of mac if he flips town

[VisceraEyes]

Yes yes, WIFOM, "I'm so town look at what I'm not doing". I'm rereading man, everything you're saying just looks bad now, so I think I need to read the game over before going further.

[Ineffective]

also despit thinking you are scummy at the end of yesterday and today--- i really like your play and dont want to lynch you

Pedit--- i never implied that i was town for not continuing to push on you--- i actually kinda said the opposit bc my MO is to deathtunnel

[fferyllt]

Also I'll just go ahead and tell you what Z will say.

VisceraEyes

is still scummy because of [post=X]X[/post]. [post=Y]Y[/post] is kinda a stretch and I don't agree with any of it. I wish he'd stop posting and just die already.

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You forgot the ^TM

[VisceraEyes]

((I don't know how to make that and too lazy to go look it up XD))

[VisceraEyes]

You have to admit though, otherwise I fucking nailed him LOL

[Ineffective]

Nailed

[fferyllt]

Yes, I do.

[VisceraEyes]

Sooooooooo....anyone find anything interesting in GiF's interactions? Who'd he replace? Rev?

[Ineffective]

Ffer did a twilight post regarding that actually

[fferyllt]

Yeah. I saved the text of another iso analysis post that I didn't get a chance to submit before the thread was locked. It's not earthshaking. I'll post it after Z7 checks in.

[Ineffective]

Self hammers are always an attempt at scum hiding information in votes--- but hiding information is information itself... come to think of it there is another. Plausible intention for self hammer aside the VEspeculation i injected. It reminded me of it when mac tried to discredit any information based on the self hammer

after the self hammer there were two reactions - one was ffer and "interesting" followed by the rev interactions iso dig this seemed like a genuine response

There was also macs "self hammer usually indicates scum" which could be another example of mac/gif using each others lynches to distance themselves like they could have possibly been doing with the omgus vote on the earlier wagon on mac

[VisceraEyes]

Anyone notice how LITTLE Inef and GiF actually interact, with emphasis on how strongly Inef wanted to lynch GiF at the beginning of his replacement, and how strongly he "knew" GiF was scum at the end of the day. Inef DID do an ISO post on GiF that ultimately had no conclusions and a grabbag of townie and scummy observations...this being when the Mac wagon was in full force.

Interesting.

[Ineffective]

The early vote on gif, as you will find when you reread, was merely because i misread an interaction i found on the iso --- i thought i found a "these two can not be scum together and they are outside my town poe therefore GIFis scum because he is not one of these two people outside of my town POE that cant be scumtogether

Then i realised that was an interaction with someone i had already deemed town and that was not aplicable to my POEhunt and continued hunting.

also --- there wasnt much to interact with gif about as he rarely posted --- i did ask him a question or two and the results wernt fruitful iirc and i. Mentioned that i needed to do more research on him but when i went to iso him his ISO was less than a page long.

What drove my final conclusion was looking at his recent posts... He had been posting in other games in the last couple days and not posting in ours... and the posts were distinctly useful in comparison to the content he provided here

[VisceraEyes]

That's fair, GiF

was

skirting the prod line most of the time.

[fferyllt]

What drove my final conclusion was looking at his recent posts... He had been posting in other games in the last couple days and not posting in ours... and the posts were distinctly useful in comparison to the content he provided here

I was playing another (now finished) game with him. The difference in content/substance caught my eye, too.

[Ineffective]

also in popcorn mafia as scum, i proved that i am not one to avoid interaction with my partners early game--- i intentionally interacted with rach, jeremy, and ffer... I defended ffer later on faking a townread--- tried to paint jeremy as scummy all game... Did an iso dig on rach. When she was under scrutiny.

Imo not interacting with your partners is a very bad thing to do as scum and i only hold it up as suspicious buddytells when i think someone sucks as a scum player

[Ineffective]

true that in 1,351 games there has not been a longer newbie game?

If so i am honored