NY 164: Maniacal Street Mafia (Anticlimatically finished.)

[Bulbazak]

so just based off of Syr's reads, Desp,Red, and AA9(based on his comment) are switched into the scum pile. and baby spice and bacde join the null to scum pile.
theres more to read based off of syrs reads switching but I honestly can't keep it all in my head.

after isoing Syr I can believe that Red killed syr, but if he did why did his team let him? at that point Red was a pretty good bussing option so why kill a person gunning for his death? unless Syr's reads were just retardedly accurate and the scum team got scared of him.

Actually, you avoided talking about Syryana's later reads. I believe the 2 that he was advocating as scum, besides Ryu and Oversoul, at the end of d1 were Cephrir and Baby Spice/penguin_soldier. I'll have to go back and double check on penguin though, and also I need to remind myself what his stance on Desperado was.

All that being said, what you gave us was pure IIoA. Who do you think is scum based off of Syryana's reads?

[Bacde]

ok so Red kills syr, but why does his team let him? not like Syr was a major player capable of forming a lynch on ryu to go through, and again Ryu was a pretty good bussing option, so why try and eliminate people who scum read him?

I dunno

my guess is that the scum team decided NOT to bus, which makes sense as bussing doesn't even really earn you that much town-cred in multiball. They probably wanted to let Red Ryu live and killed Syr accordingly

I wouldn't have tried to lynch RR so thats at least one townie he had fooled

plus Syr was basically unlynchable, I don't know anyone who scumread Syr

[Om the Destroyer]

I am a badass

That is all

VOTE: Haylen

~

[CrashTextDummie]

I've been thinking about this long and hard after having seen the flip, and I've come to the conclusion that I should claim.

I am in a neighborhood with Slandaar.

I've had a solid town read on him, but Syryana flipping neighbor freaks me the fuck out.

This now being all but confirmed multiball, it makes an awful lot of sense to have two neighborhoods with a member from one scum faction in each, in fact it is the only way I can see scum neighbors be balanced in this game. The only alternative would be two separate all-town neighborhoods, which I don't find likely at all.

I've been completely snowed by a scum neighbor before. The fact that Syryana's flip didn't faze Slandaar at all tells me he's not thinking with the same mindset as me.

Vote: Slandaar

I'll go summarize our QT.

[Om the Destroyer]

Um...Syryana flipped Friendly Neighbor, not Neighbor.

There's a difference.

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[Bulbazak]

The question remains: What do you think of CTD's claim and its implications?

[Om the Destroyer]

The question remains: What do you think of CTD's claim and its implications?

The only thing it really means is that CTD is likely town for having such a strong kneejerk reaction.

It really doesn't mean anything about Slandaar.

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[CrashTextDummie]

Um...Syryana flipped Friendly Neighbor, not Neighbor.

There's a difference.

~

What?

[Om the Destroyer]

Um...Syryana flipped Friendly Neighbor, not Neighbor.

There's a difference.

~

What?

This is what Syryana flipped, not this.

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[CrashTextDummie]

So I check the wiki and I've never heard of this role before. I feel like a colossal idiot now.

[Bulbazak]

@Om: What is your personal read of Slaandar?

@CTD: Do you still feel that your point has merit?

[Om the Destroyer]

@Om: What is your personal read of Slaandar?

Both of us think he's town.

~

[CrashTextDummie]

I feel that I should go smoke a cigarette and/or bang my head against the wall.

[Om the Destroyer]

I feel that I should go smoke a cigarette and/or bang my head against the wall.

You should vote Haylen whether or not you do these things.

~

[Nero Cain]

vote:Haylen

[ffullisade]

I feel that I should go smoke a cigarette and/or bang my head against the wall.

You should vote Haylen whether or not you do these things.

~

hi HD. what's your reasoning on Haylen?

- fery

[Cephrir]

The following is a brief summary of each slot's interactions with Ryu.

Mac/thezmon

: Mac never does anything in the entire game except vote Ryu. zmon had a town read.

CTD

: minimal interactions.

Nacho

: Constantly responds to RR posts. Would say coaching if it weren't for other stuff. Decent-sized fight ensues that makes me think they probably aren't buddies. but then backs off and returns Ryu to nullread. Still think Nacho isn't bluescum because of RR's posts.

DLG/PV

: DLG suspects Ryu early but this evaporates. PV never mentions RR.

Nero

: No interaction except "cop this guy". No way.

Bacde

: Whiteknights and chainsaws Ryu several times but not bluescum, Ryu sheeped him way too hard.

Eddie

: Null read early... nothing else ever.

Bulbazak

: "If Ryu is scum so is Bacde"... well at least he's consistent even if the reasons for this statement changed entirely. Votes Ryu for his attack on OS; has backed off pairing theory today.

Thor

: The notorious post 76 (wants to lynch Ryu pregame). Condescending wallfight. Pushes Ryu until B&B wallfight, then later returns to RR. Ends day with Ryu on 'scummish'. I am not convinced this couldn't come from scumbuddies.

Desp

: Small attack in 539, 932 could be prodding a buddy. Scumread ex machina in 2374.

BS/PA

: Starts on Ryu vote, eventually switches off then ignores Ryu. Points out Nacho was a counterwagon to Ryu (I examine this later).

Slandaar

: Rather than chainsawing against a specific player, generally attacks everyone on the wagon. Multiple times. Otherwise ignores Ryu.

Seanald

: No mentions.

AD/Hanzo/Thad

: No mentions from any of them.

fuzzy/Haylen

: The posts I quoted in 2842 are it basically. "Leaning scum" in 2534.

KK

: Votes Ryu in mid-catch-up; asks for stronger case (b/c he has Ryu as second strongest scumread I think), strongly worded point against Ryu's cult leader joke (and he was right, go figure).

AK

: Consistently suspicious of RR (always second or third suspect all day). Not necessarily anything wrong with this, I suppose.

AA9

: Big long readpost with no mention of RR into vote RR seems weirder now but she's still town.

This is just based on bluescumness-if-scum and isn't really a scumlist (i.e. just because I say someone is a likely scumbuddy doesn't actually mean I think they're scum, though there is a correlation). First category only is strongest-weakest, others have no order.

Likely RR Scumbuddies

Haylen
Slandaar
Desperado
Thor
Penguin = Peregrine

Unlikely RR Scumbuddies

Nacho
Nero
Bacde
Kublai

No Conclusion

Mac/thezmon
CTD
Eddie
Bulbazak
Seanald
AD/Hanzo/Thad
AK
AA9

[ffullisade]

@cephrir I don't see B&B/ffullisade in a list.

- fery

[Om the Destroyer]

I feel that I should go smoke a cigarette and/or bang my head against the wall.

You should vote Haylen whether or not you do these things.

~

hi HD. what's your reasoning on Haylen?

- fery

fuzzy was generally useless. haylen hasn't really done that much to make us think the other way about it. also what ceph pointed out about interactions with red ryu look like total scum buddy posts

The following is a brief summary of each slot's interactions with Ryu.

HD also had a scumread on Red Ryu but because I wasn't so strong on Red Ryu being scum it never really saw the light of day in the thread.

~Puetarter

[Cephrir]

Oh, I forgot Om too. Have notes on both, just failed to transcribe them.

B&B

: Jiffy had Ryu as very certain townread, mollie didn't seem to care early. Mollie eventually scumreads him, super late to the party. No conclusion.

Om

: attacked Ryu hard all the time then doesn't vote him because wagon was scummy. Not much later, still thinks Ryu is scum. By day end 'questionable' though this is from the other head. Likely scumbuddy, between Thor and Penguin/Pere.

[Cephrir]

Oh, and those on the Nacho counterwagon to RR: RR, Bacde, Nero, AK, B&B. Probably makes more sense to put AK at the bottom of Likely scumbuddies and move Pere/PV to no conclusion, those were very weak anyway.

Likely RR Scumbuddies

Haylen
Slandaar
Desperado
Thor
Om
AK

[Nachomamma8]

ORIGIN

[CrashTextDummie]

@CTD: Do you still feel that your point has merit?

Yes, just that it means the opposite wrt Slandaar's alignment.

Since the cat is out of the bag, it's worth pointing out that we don't have day talk.

unvote, vote: Cephrir

[Nero Cain]

So CTD, you were about to paraphrase ya'lls talk from last night.....

[Cephrir]

Dear CTD,

Why?

Love,
Ceph