NY 164: Maniacal Street Mafia (Anticlimatically finished.)

Bacde · Post Post #3325 (ISO) » Wed Jun 05, 2013 1:32 pm

I'm good man

I'm trying to reach out to you here

As a fellow scummer and as your potential friend

why is AA9 town? Her meta is perfect AA9 scum meta. I heard through the grapevine that AA9 continually posts "WOW THIS GAME IS TOO FAST ILL CATCH UP LATER TA TA." posts in her scum games, and then guilt trips people who suspect her. Thats exactly what she is doing in this game.

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #3326 (ISO) » Wed Jun 05, 2013 1:40 pm

In post 239, ArcAngel9 wrote:I am not liking the quick OS wagon. Its bad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

as town, she white knights people who are having fast wagons on them, slows the game down because she knows what it's like to get attacked shittily

In post 682, ArcAngel9 wrote:Huh!!!
Can you all stop posting the fluff for heaven sake.. It’s not even 24 hours since I was here and it is 20 pages already.. Go slow people… Catching up is always a night mare!!!

Anywayz, Overall.. OS wagon is the most dumbest shit than ever. Every lurker who has no content/case to make is jumping in OS wagon, OS may not be the scum, If there is something odd about him that it is his claim. I will have to ISO some of his games to understand better but for now, I have no interest in joining his wagon.

Looks like Beast (majiffy) abandoned the Beauty (mollie) in the hydra. Mollie’s arguments make sense, she is town. Om the Destroyer is also town. And the never ending triangle arguments between OM, B&B & ephir looks very town vs town or there could a scum in between them but its early to see because it seems all of them has their own cases argue...

when she gets left behind, she yells at people for posting too much

In post 682, ArcAngel9 wrote:Both of you get a room!!!

teases people she likes

In post 1610, ArcAngel9 wrote:I am sorry about the inactivity, It’s just too many posts to catch up.. this is what happens when you fall behind in a large games. And having players like Jiffy, Nero, OS,& Bcade I couldn’t imagine any less than a massive amount post floods… Anywayz.. the catch up was really frustrating and such a butt hurt…..

this post is a REAL reads catchup post. AA can't do that as scum. not yet.

In post 1610, ArcAngel9 wrote:I am more likely not interested in lynching Nacho. At least not today please.. SO STOP THE NACHO WAGON. ITS BAD!!!

"he should be lynched when it's time to lynch him"
subtly paranoid, still doesn't want me gone before she knows wtf is going on

In post 1621, ArcAngel9 wrote:Then why are you voting Nacho, its not too late to build another wagon. Nacho case just doesn't make sense. I am not sure why nacho is not actually defending himself as much as I thought he would but this sounds little easy, like i said earlier, it would be a miracle if scum really had let town feed a scum on day 1 especially a player like Nacho.

she's picking up on me not defending myself as fiercely as I normally do
you think scumAA would pick up on this?
do you think scumAA EVEN as my buddy would pick up on this if I wasn't coaching her?

In post 1953, ArcAngel9 wrote:STILL NOT INTERESTED ON NACHO WAGON!!!!!!!!!!!

arc being loud and yelling to stop what she feels is probably a mislynch

In post 1956, ArcAngel9 wrote:You like me doing OMGUS right.. Here you get the 200%.... Die scum!!!

VOTE: Desperado

classic AA OMGUS

In post 1964, ArcAngel9 wrote:OMMFG, I can't stop laughing for this.
If you flip town Despo I ll jump from the top of mount everest!!!

strong promises for AAscum, no?

In post 2015, ArcAngel9 wrote:Firstly.. Try to be Civil. And Stop being a dick head!!!! this is a warning!!! Next time I may not be so nice!!!!

classic arctown

In post 2019, ArcAngel9 wrote:
In post 2009, BeautyAndTheBeast wrote:
In post 2006, mastin2 wrote:I swear this was at 1990 less than five minutes ago. >_<
We're playing with hidden features!
Go back to your hydra, lazy bum!!!!

more of that teasing of people she likes

In post 3317, ArcAngel9 wrote:And who are you calling Horribad?? Get a life you punk!!! Huh!!

syryana knows why i like this one
her "huh!!" posts are usually hilariously and awesomely town
this one is no exception

penguin_alien · Post Post #3327 (ISO) » Wed Jun 05, 2013 1:43 pm

In post 3301, ffullisade wrote:
Spoiler: my post @ 3279 spoilered to save space
In post 3279, penguin_alien wrote:@Thor665, you asked about my take on the BatB-ffullisade slot a while ago. I'm pretty certain I haven't played a game where Majiffy or pirate mollie was scum, and from a meta POV they seem(ed) similar to their respective town play. In terms of the actual arguments, notably where you interact with the hydra, there seem to be some legit views there getting lost amid a burning desire to be right on all sides. Kind of what I'm getting out of a lot of you and Slandaar going back and forth, actually. Lots of focus on whose narrative to believe and less focus on whether the differences of interpretation or remembering facts is scummy or not. That's my overall impression, although I freely admit that I stopped reading the BatB hydra near the end of the day last day phase when things got hostile.

More specifically, looking back at fullisade's ISO, the sketchiest thing is fery coming in and talking about having read Red Ryu as scum off the first few pages of the game. The flip happened, it's not exactly going out on a limb to note a scum read there. The other player she mentions having a read on is Nachomamma8. If the evolution of events was that she read the beginning of the game over night phase and saw Red Ryu and Nacho as scummy, then saw one of them flip scum where (as far as I can tell) her reads on them aren't related, I'd expect to see a decent amount of confidence in the Nacho read. Instead there's not a lot of pushing there, with more recent posts looking to relate to Nachomamma8 as town if I'm reading right. That could be the pirate mollie head though.

Otherwise I don't have any reason to think ffullisade is scum right now.

WRT Bacde's case for thazmon221 being scum:

In post 3070, thezmon221 wrote:
Bacde wrote:
In post 3061, thezmon221 wrote:What kind of posts are you reading? I never implied you're scum. I think you're delusional and useless town.

YES!

Town, I saved you. Thank me later. LOL! this is great

He just literally lied because he can't keep track of his opinions that are displayed in his posts. Lets look at this gem right here:

In post 3044, thezmon221 wrote:1) You know who doesn't have reads that change after flips (especially two flips)? Scum. Scum doesn't need to change their reads. Your case on Nacho is exactly the same as it was D1: Crap.

This is Thezmon's argument:

1) Bacde does A
2) Scum do A

3 (assumption) Town is much less likely to do A

4) (inference/implication) Bacde is scum

Yet he denies it.

Sheep Bacde. Scumhunting made easy.
No, not really. I think you're town, though dumb and useless. I always have, and quite possibly will for a while. The fact that I presented an action to you and clearly stated that scum did it was to garner interest from you, as well as to see where your motivations lie since you're stubborn. You see, it's been debated, even here in this thread, that dumb/useless town can be synonymous with scum. It's a gray area, so I'm trying to discern between the two and make sure I am on the correct side of the spectrum.
Irrespective of thazmon221's claim, which I don't entirely swallow, Bacde, you're completely ruling out any type of reaction test being used there? Because it seems to me that if you want to get someone's attention, you're more likely to succeed if you suggest you think they're outright scum rather than anti-town.

thazmon221, on the other hand, why didn't you use your vote to pressure Bacde in that situation, since it seems like he was doing something you found scummy?

In post 3272, Cephrir wrote:There are ways to paint me as scum, but this isn't one of them. The point absolutely remains, the point being that if thez was actually a Universal Backup, one way or another, he should have been notified that he is now backing something up, which doesn't seem to have occurred. If you think I legitimately believe thez to be scum, what does it matter how I push him unless you want to argue that it's not genuine? (Which you're not)
Cephrir, why do you say that thazmon221 isn't activated as a back-up to a dead non-VT, specifically the first one killed?

^scum

scum scum scum scum

penguin person you made a post like this similar to the one you made in rach's game. I overlooked it cos frankly I was simply grateful that I was not the only girl in the game. I am not overlooking it this time.

I'm town here, so I have no idea what you're talking about. And I seem to recall Maenara was in that game anyways most of the way regarding the gender balance; by the time she was out, it was pretty much all over.

Looking back at the Street Racers large theme, it's worth noting that thazmon221 was on a team with someone who used Universal Back-Up as a fake claim and got away with it for quite some time. The QT doesn't indicate that it was his idea per se, but he was involved in the fake claim discussion.

I was leery that he could be trying to outright avoid claiming his inherited 2-shot BP, since it's far less useful when known, but at this close to being lynched, it doesn't seem like he'd have anything to lose. And his not doing so when he got to L-1 means he really can't be given any credence.

In post 3308, thezmon221 wrote:
In post 3279, penguin_alien wrote:thazmon221, on the other hand, why didn't you use your vote to pressure Bacde in that situation, since it seems like he was doing something you found scummy?
Because this method worked. No need to put my vote in a spot for pressure when pressure is already applied.

And I'm not seeing the pressure involved.

Bacde · Post Post #3328 (ISO) » Wed Jun 05, 2013 1:43 pm

And why am I scum?

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #3329 (ISO) » Wed Jun 05, 2013 1:44 pm

tl;dr When Arc is town, she OMGUSes hard because she's used to scum attacking her for so long. She will also pick out people who have been easy targets, people who she feels like she can defend, and she will defend them from a position of authority (since she knows certain people will read her as town and she can hammer the hell out of them if they attack her). She's lighter as town because it's what she excels at, hence the occasional teasing with the people she interacts with. Her stronger, more aggressive posts are the ones she makes from that position of authority; she doesn't have it as scum and that's her strongest meta point.

ffullisade · Post Post #3330 (ISO) » Wed Jun 05, 2013 1:44 pm

@Nacho Yeah, I can see that.

- fferyllt

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #3331 (ISO) » Wed Jun 05, 2013 1:45 pm

pa is also town as shit

Bacde · Post Post #3332 (ISO) » Wed Jun 05, 2013 1:47 pm

Nacho why are the redscum afraid of lynching you?

Thezmon REALLY didn't want to vote you, he was SO MOTIVATED to defeat me by telling me my case on you wasn't enough

tbh if I was scum I'd be stoked to lynch you

(this is assuming thezmon flips red)

Bacde · Post Post #3333 (ISO) » Wed Jun 05, 2013 1:48 pm

In post 3331, Nachomamma8 wrote:pa is also town as shit

when nacho flips scum this is the read to look at and analyze

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #3334 (ISO) » Wed Jun 05, 2013 1:48 pm

In post 3332, Bacde wrote:Nacho why are the redscum afraid of lynching you?

I read thez wrong in Street Racers. I helped him dodge a lynch in Street Racers. It's not that hard to assume that he thinks I'll defend him again, but this time I just ignored him until something interesting came up.

Bacde · Post Post #3335 (ISO) » Wed Jun 05, 2013 1:51 pm

link?

Bacde · Post Post #3336 (ISO) » Wed Jun 05, 2013 1:52 pm

color me surprised that you had a reasonable answer to that question, btw

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #3337 (ISO) » Wed Jun 05, 2013 1:56 pm

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=24478

Bacde · Post Post #3338 (ISO) » Wed Jun 05, 2013 1:58 pm

Nacho might be 3rd party flavor of scum

something's sketchy about him--this isn't town nacho

I was surprised by his answer though

Bacde · Post Post #3339 (ISO) » Wed Jun 05, 2013 2:23 pm

OK FINE ILL PRETEND THAT I THINK YOU ARE TOWN

Jeez

I just want to be your friend

ffullisade · Post Post #3340 (ISO) » Wed Jun 05, 2013 2:35 pm

In post 3331, Nachomamma8 wrote:pa is also town as shit

Mollie was thinking otherwise.

When you have time, it would be good to talk through this read.

- fferyllt

Nachomamma8 · Post Post #3341 (ISO) » Wed Jun 05, 2013 2:57 pm

In post 3339, Bacde wrote:OK FINE ILL PRETEND THAT I THINK YOU ARE TOWN

Jeez

I just want to be your friend

V/LA until Monday

<<< Noted. >>>

Thor665 · Post Post #3342 (ISO) » Wed Jun 05, 2013 5:28 pm

In post 3097, ffullisade wrote:
In post 3090, Thor665 wrote:
In post 3086, ffullisade wrote:I haven't really discussed your case on mollie with her. Our convo about you was more about catching me up with her case on you.
Did she explain my hypocrisy to you?
She hasn't done that yet either. She said I did it, then basically refused to explain how, where, or why.
no, I did explain it.

how about that iso....

I'm still buried back a lot of pages. But want to call this out.

QUOTE WHEN YOU DID - LIAR.

That is all.

I'll catch up through all these pages when I'm off work, not before.

Kublai Khan · Post Post #3343 (ISO) » Wed Jun 05, 2013 6:34 pm

I don't know why we haven't gone to night yet.

Slandaar · Post Post #3344 (ISO) » Wed Jun 05, 2013 11:04 pm

I can't understand it either.

mastin2 · Post Post #3345 (ISO) » Thu Jun 06, 2013 4:15 am

Sixty-Fifth Votecount

:

(Thirteenth Votecount Day Two,

AKA, the "Is it bad that even the moderator is surprised we're not in night?" votecount.

)

thezmon221 is at L-2!

thezmon221 - 9 (Bacde, Desperado, Kublai Khan, Nero Cain, EddieFenix, Nachomamma8, Cephrir, ThAdmiral, Slandaar)

Cephrir - 2 (Seanald, CrashTextDummie)

Haylen - 2 (Om the Destroyer, penguin_alien)
Amethyst Kitty - 1 (Thor665)
Desperado - 1 (ArcAngel9)
Bacde - 1 (Haylen)

Not Voting - 5 (thezmon221, PeregrineV, Bulbazak, Amethyst Kitty, ffullisade)

With

21

alive, it's

11

to lynch.

Day Two's deadline is Thursday, June 20th, @ 12:30 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-06-20 12:30:00).

If deadline hit now, thezmon221 would be lynched.

Bulbazak is V/LA over weekends indefinitely.
PeregrineV is V/LA until Friday, Jun 7th.
Nachomamma8 is V/LA until Tuesday, Jun 11th.

Spoiler: Changes from last votecount

Last votecount was page 133, post 3304.

Spoiler: Player Votecount History D2

Spoiler: Votecount History D2

Bacde · Post Post #3346 (ISO) » Thu Jun 06, 2013 7:08 am

CTD, fullisade

do you guys want to talk or something?

cuz if not we got a lynch to do

ffullisade · Post Post #3347 (ISO) » Thu Jun 06, 2013 7:12 am

oh hai Bacde!

Who else would you want in the town core?

- fferyllt

Kublai Khan · Post Post #3348 (ISO) » Thu Jun 06, 2013 7:13 am

In post 3347, ffullisade wrote:Who else would you want in the town core?

How in the world does it help to push this question right before night instead of waiting for the next day?

Seanald · Post Post #3349 (ISO) » Thu Jun 06, 2013 7:23 am

UNVOTE: Cephrir

VOTE: Thez

Let it be done