Newbie 1351: Hyrule's Under Attack.. Interesting..-GAME OVER

[fferyllt]

It takes one more vote to hammer.

[Mac]

I agree about the no lynch chat you guys have been having. Always always always NL at mylo imo unless there's like a cop read or something to go off which we obviously don't have. therefore

vote no lynch

and I can only echo what fery said in #2572

[Ineffective]

It takes one more vote to hammer.

Oh... I didnt read the voting rules- last game that i was in where a no lynch occured it only took half the votes to do so

[fferyllt]

takes a majority to end the day early, I think.

[TraceyLyn11]

VOTE COUNT 4.1; FINAL VOTE COUNT OF DAY FOUR

[L-3] Z7-852:

[L-3] fferyllt:

[L-3] Mac:

[L-3] Ineffective:

[

LYNCH

] No Lynch: (Ineffective, fferyllt, Mac)

Not Voting:

1 (Z7-852)

[TraceyLyn11]

NIGHT FOUR BEGINS!

No one has been lynched day four.

• If you have night actions, please send me your choices via PM or QT if you have one.
  
• Night four will end in ((expired on 2013-06-06 17:50:00))

[TraceyLyn11]

I am getting really bad at opening this on time, sorry.

Tackling it now, though!

[TraceyLyn11]

DAY FIVE BEGINS!

fferyllt,

Vanilla Townie

, has been killed night four.

[TraceyLyn11]

VOTE COUNT 5.0

[L-2] Z7-852:

[L-2] Mac:

[L-2] Ineffective:

Not Voting:

3 (Z7-852, Mac, Ineffective)

• With three alive, it takes two to lynch.
  
• Day Five's deadline: June 28, 2013 CST or in (expired on 2013-06-28 20:00:00).
  
• V/LA: No one.

[Mac]

Hmmmm. Alright, let's go.

Ine and Z how do you feel about being wrong about both PR claims? Both of you thought there was scum there, right?

[Mac]

Also if we could not lurk during lylo, that would be great. Z I need you in this thread as much as possible instead of you showing up once every so often.

[Z7-852]

I will do my best but no is also the problem that I can only connect with my phone for next week (visiting my parents). But I will try my best.
I have to say I was so wrong that person can be during the end of game. First the GuyInFreezers self-hammer didn't make any sense and confused me thinking that someone not voting for him has to be scum. Secondly the claims were oddly timed and not believable considering the selfhammer. I really should re-read the whole thread to see again what I think about Inneffective and Mac and that might be hard with 100 kb/s web speed.
GO 2G-network.

[Mac]

sigh.

TALK TO ME CHAPS.

none of this not posting shit.

[Mac]

let's generate some discussion

why did both of you seem so certain one of the PRs was scum fakeclaiming? it's strange way to deal with claims, that's for sure.

[Z7-852]

Ok. I spent couple hours mapping all the votes from vote counts with pen and paper. Reading from small phone screen isn't that easy. I counted that Mac have voted GuyInFreezer twice and Inneffective have voted him once. This really didn't say much but GuyInFreezer have voted Mac six times and Inneffective zero times. Not much but at least something quantifiable evidence. I know that count isn't accurate because I used only moderators vote counts and not the real votes but still it's at least something.

One thing that I build my thought about fake PR claims was the selfhammering from GuyInFreezer. Only good reason for selfhammer is to deny information by not forcing their scum partners to vote them. Only players that hadn't vote for him were both PR claims. Also the timing of VisceraEyes claim was odd. I still don't understand why would doctor claim himself in situation like that.

[Z7-852]

I'am really troubled how little activity there is right now. This whole game have been interestingly random so my reads have been off all day long. I would really want to hear little from everyone so we can get the day starting. Even if I'am V/LA I can still read current posts on my phone and write short answers.

[Mac]

Hmmm. Good points about Ine/GIF boting pattern.

Scum self hammering is a common occurrence and basically fucks shit up. I did tell you that you shouldn't base anything around it and it kinda sucks that you: if you were scum with GIF it would make sense to manipulate his self hammer into a reason for someone else being scum.

And yes, the activity level is atrocious here. Not sure if Ine has flaked or is just sitting back.

Where are you leaning atm Z?

[Z7-852]

I have to agree that the selfhammer fucked my reads completely. Currently I'am trying to reread the thread or at least ISO you two so I can make new reads. Currently I'am little leaning toward Inneffective due the vote pattern. But you were jailed when there was no-night kill and that puts you into bad light.

[Mac]

Indeed it does.

However I strongly believe that there was a no kill in order to get GM/who she blocked (me) lynched due to the doubts about her claim. Or ffery was targeted and saved by the the doc protection. Obviously i can say this knowing I am town though.

[Z7-852]

I ISOed Mac and noticed that he have been more negative against GuyInFreezer than supportive. Inneffective have on the other hand kept GuyInFreezer mostly in townie pile. These scum interactions are hard to do due passivity of GuyInFreezer.

[Mac]

In fact thinking about it...

Ine asks for people's likely partners.

Gm pairs only me with GIF.

It would make sense for a NK to frame one of me and GM right?

[Z7-852]

Now I really don't follow your logic?
There was a blocked kill during night three. So that means it's ether you or that scum attacked fferyllt. We really can't see how this is helping us right now. My spreadsheet about pairings is on my tabletop back in jvk so I really can't say much about them. Goodmornings decision to pair GuyInFreezer only with you just makes you look worse.

[Mac]

There could have been a no kill though, rather than just being blocked. And a no kill kinda makes more sense in my opinion.

Not sure how that makes me look worse either.

[Z7-852]

Fact that you were jailed makes you look scummy and the fact that you were only partner candidate for GuyInFreezer according to goodmorning.

Third night no-kill makes no sense unless you were one of fake powerclaims. Fake power claim have more power to drive and steer discussion. Also scum in situation where there is both jailkeeper and doc alive would not go for no-kill because the climb to victory is already hard enough.

[Mac]

no no no. just because I was jailed that DOES NOT make me scum. GM's interpretation of me being GIF's only partner means nothing either considering I pushed through her lynch based on that - ie I thought she was setting me up. If you thought I was scummy for being jailed by goodmorning, why did you not say so then?? and instead of actually voting to lynch goodmorning why didn't you vote me?

It makes perfect sense, or at least equal sense that scum targetted ffery. GM is claimed JK and has ONE SUSPECT for the scum partner, obviously she is going to jail her suspected partner. this is perfect for scum to coast through day three knowing it will probably be me or GM lynched unless the town came to the conclusion that ffery was targeted & protected. It could be either or. Neither make me autoscum.

the fact that you are coming back to this AFTER we have discussed in and "finding me scummy for it" AFTER we've lynched GM makes you look terrible and I'm starting to wonder if my suspicions of Ineffective are wrong.