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Post Post #650 (ISO) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 3:06 am

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In post 639, BROseidon wrote:
In post 604, penguin_alien wrote:I'm definitely waiting on TMTOLBTWNTOF's thoughts to start out today, given that he had ArcAngel9 and Ghostlin as his top scum reads. And his take on the supersaint claim seems off. Given his scum reads, one of whom was at L-1 and the other of whom was ready to hammer at the risk of being supersainted, why not put down the vote to get to L-1? Takes care of both problems. Instead it's characterized as interesting and noted as lynch-dodging behavior.
Good point.

Okay I like ghosts 614 a lot. Basically the same response to FBN that I had.

FBN, what is the "history" of the supersaint claim that you refer to? Some of us haven't been here very long and don't know shit like that, and from a theoretical perspective I can see huge scum motivation in a supersaint fakeclaim and no VT motivation for the fakeclaim.

First off, it's not full of shot. I've been reading these games since early 2009, so unless you've been here longer than that, I'd retract that statement. The whole thing with the supersaint claim is simply the fact that no one ever believes it, making it down right suicidal to do. IF someone claims it, it's usually because they believe scum is going to hammer them.
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Post Post #651 (ISO) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 6:50 am

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In post 624, ChannelDelibird wrote:Hello. Civ 5 stole my last day or so. Will check in tomorrow with a proper post.
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Post Post #652 (ISO) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 6:55 am

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Ghostlin, did you believe arc angels claim before you hammered her?
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Post Post #653 (ISO) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 7:38 am

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In post 652, Lord Mhork wrote:Ghostlin, did you believe arc angels claim before you hammered her?
Not really, it seemed much more likely a scum gambit to keep herself alive.

That said, knowing the game state at that point, I wasn't going to discount it and I'm slightly peeved I didn't flip and give Town that information.
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Post Post #654 (ISO) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 7:27 pm

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Hmm.... In spite of that, I do feel that Ghostlin is likely town.
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Post Post #655 (ISO) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 4:57 am

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In post 654, Lord Mhork wrote:Hmm.... In spite of that, I do feel that Ghostlin is likely town.
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Post Post #656 (ISO) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 7:03 am

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Because it still felt like a really bold move that scum would have been more hesitant toward.

Granted I don't think anyone actually believed her, but the point still stands.
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Post Post #657 (ISO) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 7:05 am

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Well, that's caked with WIFOM though, isn't it?

I mean, no scum would admit that they believed a claim before hammering, so that points is kind of moot. :shifty:
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Post Post #658 (ISO) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 7:06 am

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The act is weak, sure, but the way it went down looked town.
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Post Post #659 (ISO) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 7:14 am

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@ TMT: Sorry, thought I posted before, the first L-1 should have been L-2. My question was why you didn't put AA9 to L-1 at Ghostlin's request?
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Post Post #660 (ISO) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:34 am

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What's bothering me right now is the fact CDB hasn't posted, and promised us something, what, two, three days ago?
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Post Post #661 (ISO) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:44 am

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Civ 5 is taking up his time. :P
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Post Post #662 (ISO) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:52 am

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CDB seems pretty town to me though.
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Post Post #663 (ISO) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 10:54 am

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I wouldn't mark him out as possible scum, but he does seem relatively town.
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Post Post #664 (ISO) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 11:03 am

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Post Post #665 (ISO) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 11:12 am

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Hello. Civilisation V is a time-sucker and I'm bad at making myself stop playing it to do stuff. I'm catching up on another game tonight before bed but will get to this as soon as I'm up in the morning (which may not be *early* but it'll be the morning). If I don't, you should probably lynch me.
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I thought I had posted that in all my games I must have missed one.
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Post Post #668 (ISO) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 8:52 pm

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im not sure how i read numbers, but i do remember him being scummy, and kinda flipfloppy
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Post Post #669 (ISO) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 11:17 pm

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Could my non-townreads please post more so I can agonise over how to interpret their posts?
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Post Post #670 (ISO) » Mon Jun 17, 2013 1:56 am

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Unfortunately, when you have 3 people active and the rest not-so-active, there isn't much you can do..
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Post Post #671 (ISO) » Mon Jun 17, 2013 2:18 am

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OK, I'm going back through Day 2 now - still technically on shift at work so it might be a bit slow but I'm on it now.
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Post Post #672 (ISO) » Mon Jun 17, 2013 2:54 am

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Well, that was shorter than I was expecting.

I'll start with Ghostlin. The way he went about the hammer looks town (probably enough to ignore him today) but I still have reservations. While Fuzzy's logic is all wrong (you can't explain why town might do something and then insist that scum wouldn't try to do that, because the whole point of scum is that they want to look like town) I think it's fairly obvious that he believes what he's saying, so I find posts like this hard to understand.

On this:
In post 643, BROseidon wrote:VOTE: TMTOL

Anyone else see it?
...my answer has to be 'no, not something specific in that last post'
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, assuming for now that the masons are telling the truth, I find it difficult to imagine a scumgroup not containing TMOAFGKAMLDXP at this point. I'm happy enough to call Fuzzy, DV and Saint town for the time being and that does narrow things down a fair bit.

Amrun, you haven't actually spoken about TSAPTERASA today despite the early vote - could you summarise why you're voting him please? BRO, could you explain the quoted post?
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Post Post #673 (ISO) » Mon Jun 17, 2013 2:57 am

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No worries, I've
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gone back to the last page to look for more and caught Amrun addressing TPAMPFFOAOGJAD (it helps when you're not just ISOing). I'm pretty much on board with the case.

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Post Post #674 (ISO) » Mon Jun 17, 2013 6:21 am

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In post 641, TMTOLBTWNTOF wrote:Saint, why was your vote on Mhork at the end of D1? Mhork is town
How does he know it's not a scum gambit?

In addition to, you know, the entire rest of the post being weak as fuck.
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