NY 164: Maniacal Street Mafia (Anticlimatically finished.)

Seanald · Post Post #3950 (ISO) » Wed Jun 19, 2013 7:05 am

UNVOTE: ceph

VOTE: AK

yeah sorry I just can't stand cry babies.

I mean I get the feeling that what your doing now is very frustrated town flailing but, your just too annoying for me right now, if you can calm down and start doing things logically I'll probably take this vote off.

ffullisade · Post Post #3951 (ISO) » Wed Jun 19, 2013 7:07 am

Hey mala this is fferyllt.

I've let Mollie know you are waiting to hear from her. She'll reply in a bit when she gets something else wrapped up.

- f

Amethyst Kitty · Post Post #3952 (ISO) » Wed Jun 19, 2013 7:11 am

It's psychological and something similar to Freudian slip.

He admitted he had something to do with Ryu with that sentence, that or Ryu was on his mind for some reason and I can't why he would even have him there.

and Bacde wasn't scummy at all, anti-town yes, but not scummy. He didn't even have Bacde as a prior scum read, and there isn't anything that happened that would make Bacde look scummier and he had better scumspects.

well, it was discrediting. where is the town motivation for doing that? especially when the person is attacking you?

and no, he just hand-waved it off fancily

~Mara
Pedit: Seanald, Hi. What do you think of my case on Khan?

and since when do you vote someone you think is town?

Bacde · Post Post #3953 (ISO) » Wed Jun 19, 2013 7:13 am

In post 3950, Seanald wrote:UNVOTE: ceph

VOTE: AK

yeah sorry I just can't stand cry babies.

I mean I get the feeling that what your doing now is very frustrated town flailing but, your just too annoying for me right now, if you can calm down and start doing things logically I'll probably take this vote off.

what the butt dude

worst vote ever

Bacde · Post Post #3954 (ISO) » Wed Jun 19, 2013 7:14 am

In post 3945, Amethyst Kitty wrote:KHAN ADMITTED TO KILLING RED RYU LETS LYNCH THAT FUCKER!!!

Bacde.
~Mara

where/when did this happen?

quote plz

Desperado · Post Post #3955 (ISO) » Wed Jun 19, 2013 7:15 am

Amethyst, can you quote what you're talking about re: KK and Ryu?

<<< Be more careful with your double-posts? All the same, deleted. >>>

Amethyst Kitty · Post Post #3956 (ISO) » Wed Jun 19, 2013 7:18 am

In post 3918, Kublai Khan wrote:
In post 3909, Amethyst Kitty wrote:1) though, if you want to look at someone who is badly pushing at Bacde that is scum I would look at Khan because of the fact that not only does he push Bacde terribly, be had better pushes to go after, pushes that he apparently believed in but suddenly dropped for him.

2) I am also under the impression that he is a better player than this.

3) I also find it strange that he pins CTD as super-obvious town, but he doesn't give Bacde the exact same extension even though he's done a shit-load for town with his "anti-town" play.

4) His case on Oversoul was just as bad, if not worse than yours

5) his other cases are just as shitty

6) he made a shallow case on us based on Oversoul flipping town, doesn't pursue it.

7) when I originally bring up my scum read on him, all he does is ask if anyone remembers our reads and, in doing such discrediting us

8) we
were
scummy enough to warrant a wagon, though he doesn't really initiate it but waits to see if others would do it first

9) Sheeps onto Thez, because of what Bacde said who he currently finds scummy...

10) I had to actually PUSH him to make a case on he, and all the things he is calling me out on has very shallow thought processes to them.

11) alot of his reasons for things are just as, even his reasons for why he thinks people are town.
1) "Badly" is a useless judgement call to make in a mafia game. Were my points bad? Was the timing bad? It sounds like you just hate my choice of targets which, given that we have a named mafia group (i.e. probably multiball), there is no evidence that Bacde isn't a non-blue scum.

2) Really? A burden of proficiency fallacy as your second point?

3) CrashTextDummie is breaking things point rationally and in a way that I can understand his thought process. Bacde spends 75 pages calling Nachomamma8 scum with little reasoning, then "Squirrel!" they are voting together for someone. Then back to calling Nachomamma8 scum. I don't understand Bacde and he's very reluctant to explain himself. So he doesn't get the same town-points that CrashTextDummie gets.

4) Again. "Bad". Well, your case on me is bad. Damn, that's much easier to say something is bad instead of saying something substantial.

5) Ooh, "shitty". What a vocab!

6) Sorry, was busy lynching your scum-buddy Red Ryu the next day.

7) No, I specifically addressed the fact that your scum-read on me is based on nothing but OMGUS. You
still
haven't given an alternative explanation for why I ever ended up on your scumlist.

8) WTF?

9) Are you calling me scummy for lynching scum?

10) So shallow that you haven't bothered to refute or provide alternative explanations?

11) Oh shit, did you forget to write "bad" there? That's the lynchpin of your whole case! You can't be forgetting that word!

Summary:

When I replaced in, I found four players to be very scummy when reading: (Oversoul, Red Ryu, you, and Baby Spice/penguin_alien). I only have one vote and it's incredibly inefficient to make four simultaneous cases. So
Day 1 I pushed a case on Oversoul. After Day 2 started, Bacde made a good case on thezmon221,
so you got put on the back burner a little longer. Day 3, Bacde opened with some posts that rubbed me the wrong way because his logic doesn't make any kind of sense to me. Since he is a very active player, I made on case on him and
even he acknowledged that my case had a lot of merit
. Then the ThAdmiral case started up. I didn't agree with it, but I didn't have any reason to debunk it either. So I spent some time questioning it. Then that crumbled, so it was suddenly the perfect time to put my cards on the table about why I find you scummy.

Besides the fact that I'm "bad" and saying "bad" things. The entirety of your case seems to revolve on the fact that I didn't drop everything and try to constantly ineffectually get you lynched no matter what else is happening in the game. You seem absolutely mystified about the concept of a back-burner. I think this exposes that you've really only been skimming the thread and looking for mentions of your name so you can try to defuse any potential wagon before they start. Like scum does. Because you're scum and that's bad.

mastin2 · Post Post #3957 (ISO) » Wed Jun 19, 2013 7:19 am

Amethyst Kitty is at L-2!

Geez, no wonder this game's so long.

At a posting rate making new pages every five minutes, it's no surprise we've got so much.

Eighty-Eighth Votecount

:

(Twenty-First Votecount of Day Three,

AKA, the "Move over, Maestro! Mastin's coming!" votecount.

)

Amethyst Kitty - 8 (Kublai Khan, Slandaar, Desperado, Bulbazak, ffullisade, Cephrir, ArcAngel9, Seanald)

Nachomamma8 - 4 (Nero Cain, Bacde, PeregrineV, ThAdmiral)

ThAdmiral - 2 (Human Destroyer, CrashTextDummie)
Bacde - 1 (Rena)
Nero Cain - 1 (Nachomamma8)
Kublai Khan - 1 (Amethyst Kitty)

Not Voting - 1 (penguin_alien)

With

18

alive, it's

10

to lynch.

Amethyst Kitty is at L-2!

Day Three's deadline is Monday, July 1st, @ 12:30 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2013-07-01 12:30:00).

Bulbazak is V/LA over weekends indefinitely.
ArcAngel9 is V/LA until Wednesday, Jun 19th.
mastin2, the moderator, is V/LA for...a while.

Spoiler: Changes from last votecount

Last votecount was page 158, post 3933.

Spoiler: Player Votecount History D3

Spoiler: Votecount History D3

Bacde · Post Post #3958 (ISO) » Wed Jun 19, 2013 7:20 am

That looks weak AK

Desperado · Post Post #3959 (ISO) » Wed Jun 19, 2013 7:24 am

Yeah that is pretty weak, in Khan's mind all three of you are bluescum so it's not really an outrageous mistake. Certainly not a freudian slip.

Amethyst Kitty · Post Post #3960 (ISO) » Wed Jun 19, 2013 7:27 am

He was busy lynching "my scum buddy Red Ryu" not "My scum buddy Thez"

and later on, he admits that you made a good case on Thez, the person who did eventually get lynched. Red Ryu popping up like that in that post makes no sense at all what-so-ever, unless he was thinking about him for some odd reason.

He could be red scum who played a part in killing him (which I think is likely)

or, he could be blue scum who lost a buddy and was thinking about it (which could be a possibility)

or he could be town who....

I got nothing for that coming from a town-mindset. it just doesn't make sense psychologically.

~Mara

Amethyst Kitty · Post Post #3961 (ISO) » Wed Jun 19, 2013 7:28 am

In post 3959, Desperado wrote:Yeah that is pretty weak, in Khan's mind all three of you are bluescum so it's not really an outrageous mistake. Certainly not a freudian slip.

No, he's called us scum, but I don't thinks he's inferred that we are bluescum

penguin_alien · Post Post #3962 (ISO) » Wed Jun 19, 2013 7:28 am

Not seeing scum-Mala replacing out under pressure based on my experience playing with her before. Which kills the burgeoning scum read I had there. And I hate the Nachomamma8 wagon, not least because of ThAdmiral's vote that he follows by saying there's nothing pointing to bluescum Nacho or showing anything scummy there at all.

I just don't buy that he's a vig.

VOTE: ThAdmiral

(Having made some egregious brain slips of my own in past games as town, I don't know how much stock I put in the KK error.)

Amethyst Kitty · Post Post #3963 (ISO) » Wed Jun 19, 2013 7:29 am

least, not until that post

Pedit: I don't like the Thad wagon

Bacde · Post Post #3964 (ISO) » Wed Jun 19, 2013 7:31 am

The thing is, nacho is bluescum so it makes sense that other colors of scum would just vote for him with shoddy reasoning

I don't like the people who are voting AK looking for bluescum, she's either red or third or town

PeregrineV · Post Post #3965 (ISO) » Wed Jun 19, 2013 7:35 am

In post 3944, Bacde wrote:I'd rather lynch nacho tbh

Kublai is weird but probably town

I was surprised by him voting me today, but I think he will realize that his case on me was just not true

It actually surprised me too. The case was well-presented (always a plus in my book) but the premise of it wasn't very strong, given the level of push it received.

However, last time I thought Khan was total scum he wasn't, so I'll probably need to do a solid read of his posts.

ffullisade · Post Post #3966 (ISO) » Wed Jun 19, 2013 7:42 am

fery said I need to get in here so I am going to

UNVOTE: ak

until I have a chance to catch up and respond

Bulbazak · Post Post #3967 (ISO) » Wed Jun 19, 2013 7:50 am

In post 3824, Desperado wrote:
In post 3822, Bulbazak wrote:If we are assuming that this is multiball, then it is in town's best interest to eliminate a NK. Why would you not want to do so? And why would it be more important to eliminate Kitty rather than a NK?
But it is not in the town's best interest to derail a lynch because solely because they probably aren't bluescum. Which is what Cephrir said.

Please show me where I a) said I don't want to eliminate a NK, and b) said it would be more important to eliminate Kitty over eliminating a NK.

You may not have said so, but it seemed to be implied. Besides, if I was trying to get rid of a NK, and I was attacked for my vote, I'd be questioning town's priorities as well.

In post 3825, Desperado wrote:Put another way: your questions would make sense if there was compelling evidence that someone else was bluescum and I was arguing for Kitty over them. Then it might make sense to ask me why I don't want to eliminate a NK.

But there isn't, so it doesn't.

Fair enough.

In post 3830, Desperado wrote:Bulb was approaching the issue as if we had confirmed bluescum in our grasp and I was arguing for Kitty over them, which ignores a lot of the context.

There's not anybody at this point that I would say is "confirmed bluescum". I have a slight gut read on a player that I think may be the last blue scum, but there really isn't anything else too substantial to go with it. Right now I'm happy just going after my stronger scumreads.

In post 3833, Nero Cain wrote: It was the same question. I asked KK why he wasn't looking at the others (note one of those others flipped scum) AK asked my why I wasn't looking at Bacde. It was the same thing and you pretending like it wasn't is massively stupid. This is scum with Nacho.

Let's look at them side by side:

In post 2596, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 2583, Kublai Khan wrote:In post 2401, Nero Cain wrote:its also likely multiball

How in the world can town make this assumption on Day 1?
Its a 24 player game an current site meta suggest more than 1 killing faction. 6 scum seems the ideal number, weather its a 5 man scum team and a sk or two 3 man scum teams.

But all of Slandaar, Bcade and Bulb have speculated that its multiball as well. Why is this a sin for me but not them?

+ why am I not on your town list?

It's all about the wording with your post. You are not asking about Khan's criteria for questioning you. You are instead asking him why he's not questioning 3 other players. Look at how you phrase it: "Why is this a sin for me but not them?", with "sin" being the key word. You are hereby implying that Slaandar, Bacde, and myself should also be considered scummy and that Khan should look at us. You then follow this up with "Why am I not on your town list?", AKA "Why do you not think I am town? I should have town points from you, especially given the scummy people I just handed to you.". Compare this to Kitty's post, who you also diverted attention to in a like manner:

In post 799, Amethyst Kitty wrote: @Nero:

4/13 - I don't see it as a huge wagon. You are flipping out over stupid shit. You are trying to sling mud yet you don't call out Bacade for his 5th vote ON Nacho?

Her focus is not on being proved townie, it is about you and your criteria. When she asks about Bacde, she is not trying to divert attention to him. Instead, she is asking about your criteria for your scumtell, which seems to be opportunistic. You are the focus of that last sentence, not Bacde, whereas Khan was not the subject of your post. Also, your entire post was on that one subject, whereas this question to you made up only a small part of Kitty's post. Here's the rest:

In post 799, Amethyst Kitty wrote:OS, I'm planning to browse through games of Nacho to see if he does these summary things more often as scum or town. I thought my little post would have gotten more attention when I said it, but it didn't so it through off alarm bells.

@Syr:

I got a question for you. You say this "Def lynching AA too #239 and #246 AND #252, I'm not reading her posts anymore"
Although, you have her listed as 'null' why is that? Also never say I want to lynch blank and blank, but I'm going to not read her posts. You are in confirmation bias area and I don't like it.

FoS for that.

@Bacade:

Hush about your confirmed town nonsense. You aren't confirmed town. If you want people to read you as town then play like it.

@HD:

Buddy Nero moar please.

@Bacade:

I want them to explain their weak scum read on us. Do you have a problem with me wanting that?

@HD/OM:

Just because it's not mentioned in the thread doesn't mean it's there and I have it for several reasons, but there are some I can't even discuss currently.

@Angel:

Syr actually did somewhat try to contribute. I'm surprised you didn't catch that.

(Side note: I do believe Nacho is scum. My gut was pinging, but I needed to wait for Mara to discuss it with her)

I was in this game that Slandaar is talking about in this post.
(Only problem I currently have with this post of Slandaar is that - he's possibly going to let someone who could be potentially slide with the argument why would he do this? Which boils down to the argument: "obv scum being too obv."
He's being wishywashy and I don't actually like that coming from Slandaar.

@Nero/Mollie: Both of you be nice to each other. Be civil.

So Mollie is having issues with me abandoning her.

@HD/OM:

I don't see how Bulba misrepped me.

#428 is an inside joke. Not many people will get it, but I tease Mollie a lot when I'm drunk. Plain and simple - it wasn't indicative of an alignment. Plus I'm reading Mollie/Jiffy as town and that's written in other posts of mine.

Now you are misrepping us in post 730.
It's mainly due to this "My other point was that you were going for the whole "Oh we're waiting for the other head's consent to vote" but then you voted with what seemed to be a lack of consent from Mala. This is a disconnect."

I showed exactly why I was waiting before casting a vote. You asked me that and I answered. Mara and I want to play as a team and not two indi heads moving our vote around.

Please read this post of mine.
It was clearly obvious we both were on skype and we both were in the thread. How is that a lack of consent from me?

@Nero:

4/13 - I don't see it as a huge wagon. You are flipping out over stupid shit. You are trying to sling mud yet you don't call out Bacade for his 5th vote ON Nacho?

@Fuzzy:

Other than sheeping. Please read and please contribute.

(LOLOL. Mara took the words right out of my mouth.)

(I'm also wanting to bash my head into a wall seeing all these "Shut up and lynch so and so." or "Moar votes on so and so." Stop shoving it down the throats. Make a clear chorent case or stop tunneling and look fucking elsewhere.)

*sigh*

Starting to warm up to the idea Bulb/OM/HD is a T v T argument.

@RedRyu:

Thoughts on other happenings? You are starting to making me question my vote on Nacho. You are sitting back and allowing Bulb/OM/HD to tear each other apart along with other conversations with other players - yet you aren't making an effort to actually comment on shit.

(Mollie has a point about Nero's post)

@HD/OM:

Just because I question someone doesn't mean I think they are scum. I could be wanting people to flesh out their answers or prior reads.

@CTD:

Are you seriously basing your scum/town reads based off of reactions to your massclaiming suggestion?
Also can you walk me through your process on "reacting passionately" is?
I believe I reacted passionately to it, but hey to each their own.

~Mala

The question we've been discussing is bolded. She's clearly not sweating your attack on her, and given the context, this confirms her question being about your criteria, instead of diverting attention elsewhere. In fact, this post shows that she is clearly scumhunting. It reminds me why I was townreading her early in the game.

Unvote

In post 3841, ffullisade wrote: tl;dr

pretty sure the post is filled with nothing but the same sycophantic pretentious doubaggery stuff as has been previously posted by this poster

So you ask me to clarify and then ignore and dismiss me when I do. Yeah, you're totally not dodging the issues.

In post 3845, Nero Cain wrote:I might be ok with an AK lynch, but if AK flips scum we are deff killing Bulb.

This should be interesting. Do explain.

On to page 155.

ffullisade · Post Post #3968 (ISO) » Wed Jun 19, 2013 8:39 am

In post 3920, Amethyst Kitty wrote:The whole KK v AK that's all of Mara's. I'm not getting involved.

Despo:

You do realize we are a hydra right? Two heads don't see eye to eye on the same thing. We are fighting over the reads (again). I, Mala, sees you as leaning scum whereas Mara sees you as a weak town read.

I want Mollie to answer my question, but I'll see if that happens.

if you are town you need to knock the fucking bitchiness off. cos you both are starting to piss me off.

you asked fery for her desp read not me. you acted like you didn't even want to talk to me so you can fuck off with that shit.

I am reading desperado as town cos when he had a whole pile of pressure and was getting ready to get lynched he put a lot of effort into leaving a trail of his thoughts cos he thought he was getting lynched that day. #3909 is the first time you have done this even though I asked you both for a list of your thoughts yesterday. all I got was "mollie your stupid" that is why you looked like you were scum flailing not town flailing. cos that is what scum do. I mean hell I nearly escaped a lynch as scum once cos I said, "eat a dick town!" and you both know what game I am talking about.

and let be me clear. I am not lynching you over this >_>. relative tells take time to develope and I have no idea if it is one or not. I have a few that I feel good about and they are combo of town tells and scum tells. you were scum in uber's newbie game and I seem to remember you doing it a lot whenever you said something scummy. when I made that post it was me musing out loud. I don't have it down as a relative tell for you but if you flip scum you best believe I am putting that one down and if you try to deliberately use it as town to mess with meta all that it will get you is lynched, it would be better to just say "oh hey I am going to stop doing this cos it is a tell that I didn't even know I had!".

I am lynching you cos you have looked scummy all game. I have been staying away from you and trying to steer people away from you. desp asked me about my read on you. I listed games that I had meta knowledge of and pointed out how it was possible that you were town.

but her is the deal; if I am going to put my credibility on the line and ask other players to trust my judgment you best believe I am going to firm up that read. mala, I put my credibility on the line for rob when I shouldn't have in the epic game. he said a couple of wonky things but I was trusting

your

read but using

my

credibility. <---- will never do this again. from now on I will always firm up my read before doing that.

so how do I firm up my read? by interacting with players. I asked you about nero and was ignored until I started going after you and pointed out that you were ignoring my question. I asked for a list of all the players from towniest to scummiest and you still have yet to do that. #3909 is the only post that even remotely looks decent. but here is the thing; why did you not post something like that yesterday when I asked instead of you flailed around all over the place, called me stupid and tried to emotional manipulate me. at this point it might be a matter of too little too late but I am still catching up in the thread.

ffullisade · Post Post #3969 (ISO) » Wed Jun 19, 2013 8:50 am

@ khan

6) Sorry, was busy lynching your scum-buddy Red Ryu the next day.

red ryu died n1 so how were you "busy" lynching him

ffullisade · Post Post #3970 (ISO) » Wed Jun 19, 2013 9:00 am

In post 3927, Amethyst Kitty wrote:
In post 3923, ArcAngel9 wrote:
In post 3922, Amethyst Kitty wrote:Really AA.
Lurking and now just toss a vote because I said something you don't like?
Why are getting aggressive?
Despite khan's points, I didn't like the way you excused yourself for your misread on Despo, that's a huge scum slip. and anybody can tell you thats just so scummy and you're accusing me for voting you? serioulsy? If i do something would you let it pass? and now you're complaning that i was lurking. so now you tell me.. which is worse.. lurking or scum slip?
How is it a scum slip? We are two different players who don't see eye to eye on the same people.

Mollie was asking Mara FOR her reads not mine. Mara's reads.

no. I want both your reads. from towniest to scummiest

ffullisade · Post Post #3971 (ISO) » Wed Jun 19, 2013 9:02 am

In post 3928, Cephrir wrote:As much as you are probably town AA it would be nice if you could try a little. I'm now apparently one of your top scumreads because I didn't feel like answering a stupid question. At least pretend to care?

I am a little surprised AK is still going on with this KK garbage, and Desperado's spoiler title pretty much says it all about that "1v1".

In other news I think I may hate hydras
.

let's hydra cephrir!

actually I am being serious. we should do it but mebbe after this game

ffullisade · Post Post #3972 (ISO) » Wed Jun 19, 2013 9:16 am

In post 3932, Amethyst Kitty wrote:You know what. Fuck it.

Mara is going solo. I'm done.

<<< If this is an official request for MS Marangal to replace Amethyst Kitty, please clarify to make it explicit. >>>

Mollie is going off on me for a relative tell that isn't a relative tell and ignoring everything she said prior. She's started to fish at me because I dropped a PR tell during Day 1, but didn't breadcrumb any results. So apparently me not breadcrumbing = me being scummy. She's ignoring anything and everything I might have told her during past games and even on skype.

I am not ignoring anything.

I pressured you and you reacted horribly.

you both

however ignored my question about nero and have not done the one thing that I asked you both to do.

so you think I am role fishing you? I mean if I spotted the tell you would be dead right? cos I don't leave specials alive

you still look like you are scum flailing.

Not to mention she won't explain the damn Despo town read.

as I mentioned in a previous post, you didn't ask me you asked fery. you told me "bye". so I have explained my desp read even though you never asked me are you going to put your big girl britches on and stop acting like a freaking 2 year old who is not getting their way?

AA is lurking and just jumping on the wagon without fleshing shit out.

Mara is engaging in 1vs1 which I don't want to fucken deal with.

Slandaar does a 180 because thor flipped out. Btw I will probably see another 180 from you during the next day after we flip town.

Despo is likely scum.

I agree, arc is lurking to the point of ridiculousness. unfortunately she does this as town and you know it cos you gmed a game with her and I in it. she freaking went awol for days, often didn't seem to know what was going on and she was town. I know you read that game so the lurking should be a null tell for her and you should know this.

I seriously doubt you are town at this point cos everything you are saying is bullshit.

Bulbazak · Post Post #3973 (ISO) » Wed Jun 19, 2013 9:27 am

155-157:

I don't like how ThAdmiral is just threatening everybody who questions him. I'm having a harder time accepting the vig claim because of it, especially since I don't think a vig. would be acting like this. It almost seems like cocky scum. Even if he is town, do we really want to hand a kill to someone this unstable? I mean he's already threatened to kill 2 top town reads simply because they looked at him the wrong way!

In post 3909, Amethyst Kitty wrote: I also find it strange that he pins CTD as super-obvious town, but
he doesn't give Bacde the exact same extension even though he's done a shit-load for town with his "anti-town" play.

How can you help town with "anti-town play"?

In post 3910, Amethyst Kitty wrote: but, instead of furthering your case on us, you drop us and go after the person who actually lynched scum...

Again, it seems as if you're insinuating that you should be seen as scummy here. Also, if this is multi-ball, why should we simply give someone town-cred, because they lynched scum, especially someone you have admitted has been playing anti-town?

In post 3911, Amethyst Kitty wrote:I have

You, Nacho, Bacde, Nero, Slandaar, CTD, Bulb as town

Desp, Angel, Rena, as weaker town

Khan and Ceph as scum, though Ceph may be out of date

PV as maybe scum

and the rest as Null, mostly due to the fact that there is nothing there that catches my attention.

~Mara

In post 3912, Amethyst Kitty wrote:No, never mind. Peregrine is town

These reads feel lazy.

In post 3915, ArcAngel9 wrote:Not sure about Amethyst
but why not Despo or Cepheir?

What are your cases on them?

On to page 158.

ffullisade · Post Post #3974 (ISO) » Wed Jun 19, 2013 9:36 am

In post 3964, Bacde wrote:The thing is, nacho is bluescum so it makes sense that other colors of scum would just vote for him with shoddy reasoning

I don't like the people who are voting AK looking for bluescum, she's either red or third or town

I actually agree with this, I think.