Newbie 1388 Nexlexia Game Over

[yessiree]

Emotional play? NO GTFO.

[JKMatthews]

@ Titus - Unfortunately pure logic won't ever win a game of mafia. There's lots of reading between the lines, trying to guess at motivations, trusting your gut, etc etc. Obviously the more people talk the more you can read into those things, but town shouldn't be afraid of making mistakes. They should try to avoid it, but at the end of the day any lynch gives info.

Yessiree states in the exact post we're talking about that he doesn't think Bob slipped...

I have plenty of opinions that I'm sharing. Consider the people I'm voting for, questioning, and putting under scrutiny as my scum reads and everybody else as my "not worth my time forcing answers from when there are scummier people around" reads. I'm posting my opinions when they're worth posting.

I think trying to use meta in a newbie game is silly. Unless it's between the SEs/IC who have played a million games together. But even then, if somebody's scum game and town game were so noticeably different, I don't think they'd be the sort of person to have played lots of games of mafia.

@ yessiree - I know that's what you're saying... it's exactly why I find you suspicious. Rather than trying to convince people to find scum, you're saying people who want you lynched should lynch Bob instead. The fact that you're so blantantly trying to say you don't care if you're lynched just brings you even more solidly into the scum camp in my mind.
You're at L-1 right?
Not sure what the etiquette is if yessiree was and L-1, wasn't, and now is again... but

I intend to hammer.[/u]

[JKMatthews]

I intend to hammer yessiree

is how that should read..

[Titus]

Ok, I will quit responding in quotes (or try to I may forget on occasion). My apologies. I'm not intending to give anyone a headache or make it hard to respond. I like the idea of everyone having the fair chance to read and analyze posts. I don't like the vanishing act though, and a lot of those (in my experience), are not real claims.

@yessiree, While I think you are both town yessiree, I think your lynch would reveal more information than Bob's for reasons I have already posted.

I also have no idea what you're saying in post 525. ("Emotional play? No GTFO.")

@JKMatthews, I do think your intent to hammer is a mistake. I've always been intending to hammer on Yessiree if no one else would be lynched. However, I don't like this. I think Yessiree is just new and trying to figure out how to play. That's hard on any given site.

The fact that he doesn't care (minus the moronic self vote) is frankly town evidence. A townie willing to sacrifice themselves is ok. He just doesn't know how to take a lynch.

However, since Yessiree is at L-1, I can revoke my intent to hammer since we will still get a lynch off because JKM will hammer. I'd rather have people who I suspect as scum (NS and Dr. Pepper) lynched.

I will definitely take your advice about factoring in emotions. However, I probably will not give them much credence. I never have and I probably never will.

[yessiree]

k fine. whatever information my lynch will reveal will get FUCKING REVEALED.

also is there a trophy or something if you get lynched on D1 CONSISTENTLY?

[Titus]

I don't know, but I can make you a shiny trophy if you want. I got that for my first few F-FMs. I was getting lynched or talking my way out of one a lot. It's part of the integration process yessiree.

[yessiree]

What I meant by #525 is that this is bandit country, so you shoot anythin' that mooooves

[JKMatthews]

I think this is a pretty prime example of why you need to include emotional analysis sometimes, Titus.
yessiree has been putting a lot of effort into making it look like his mindset is "whatever, I don't care if you kill me". That doesn't mean it's his actualy mindset though... If you just take that crap at face value, everybody can just say "I'm town", and then you can conclude that frankly they're town.

[yessiree]

but really, I don't care if you kill me

[Titus]

Votecount UNOFFICIAL BY TITUS:

Yessiree (4) -

Channeldelibird, Nobody Special, Pebro, Bacade

Nobody Special (2) -

Bicephalous Bob, Yessiree,

DoctorPepper (2) -

JKMatthews

, Titus

Titus (1)-

DoctorPepper

Not voting (0) -

Underline is who intends to hammer.

Updating vote count... given the rapid posting we've done


@JKM, I factor in if someone is telling the truth or not. I don't consider that emotional play. To me, I think Yessiree's play seems genuine. He is also getting lynched in another game with precisely the same rationale. The fact that he is demonstrating frustration given those two facts is consistent with being frustrated town. However, I do admit that this is a greyer area so I don't think your vote is necessarily scummy given the fact you support it.

[Titus]

Oh crap. Hold on... I forgot Bob's vote change... damn it.

[Titus]

Votecount UNOFFICIAL BY TITUS:

Yessiree (4) -

Channeldelibird, Nobody Special, Pebro, Bacade

Nobody Special (2) -

Yessiree,

DoctorPepper (2) -

JKMatthews

, Titus, Bob

Titus (1)-

DoctorPepper

Not voting (0) -

Underline is who intends to hammer.

Fixed

[yessiree]

you forgot to change the votes on NS

[yessiree]

and DoctorPepper

[Titus]

Doctor Pepper is listed as voting me and I think NS's vote is indeed accurate. Is NS not voting you?

Target - Voters

is how the vote count is meant to be read.

[yessiree]

I mean the total votes on NS and DoctorPepper

[Titus]

Oh you meant the numbers. Blah. Not changing that. Everyone can add and I don't want to overly spam. Took me a few minutes of staring to figure that out. Sorry.

[Titus]

Votecount UNOFFICIAL BY TITUS:

Yessiree (4) -

Channeldelibird, Nobody Special, Pebro, Bacade

Nobody Special (1) -

Yessiree,

DoctorPepper (1) -

JKMatthews

, Titus, Bob

Titus (1)-

DoctorPepper

Not voting (0) -

Underline is who intends to hammer.

Really fixed... only did this because no one was posting. I'll have to get off for the night soon.

[Titus]

Or I can be a total idiot and make another typo. Doctor Pepper has three votes. Maybe I should just hang it up for the night now.

[Nexus]

Votecount 1.11:

Yessiree (4) -

Channeldelibird, Nobody Special, Pebro, Bacde

Nobody Special (1) -

Yessiree,

DoctorPepper (3) -

JKMatthews, Titus, Bicephalous Bob

Titus (1)-

DoctorPepper

Not voting (0) -

Day 1 will end at 11pm BST on Friday 28th June. Deadline has been extended for two days to make up for the crash

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

Titus replaced Rikablu btw

[DoctorPepper]

JKM, why do you think Im misunderstanding her?
I think I've made it clear she slipped and her responses against me dont really answer the critical points and just say "No I didnt do this thing unrelated to what youre accusing me of" and she's made a lotof concessions which, if you can spot it, imply that she knows Im town. ISO me and ISO her. You'll get it

I actually have forgotten to make this analysis, so I'll give it now (while Im in class cause Im a boss):
A wagon on NS had been built up, no votes on me. Then later, Titus comes, sees me attacking Bob and questioning her. So apparently, even with a wagon already built on NA, she goes for me simply because Im a huge threat to their win condition as scum.

Yes Im confident on Titus being scum and Bob being the partner and Im asking everyone to reconsider this and help me get rid of scum

[Nobody Special]

I could go for a Titus lynch, especially with the yessirree wagon going absolutely

nowhere.

unvote

Vote: Titus

[Titus]

Wow. Apparently crazy things happen in the night.

NS? Did you totally miss the vote counter? Yessiree was at L-1 with someone willing to hammer him. :S That's not the definition of a train going nowhere. Then, you change your vote to me... which no one was on. Are you convinced that Yessiree is town or what the heck was that?

Dr. Pepper, I wasn't attacking you. I was putting my leads out there and you had a major freakout.

[JKMatthews]

Dr Pepper, you were talking to Titus about some other game with some sort of mislynch (wasn't in the other game so didn't follow the conversation entirely), and Titus's comment can easily (and I think most logically) be interpreted as a general statement about mislynches. You haven't "made it clear she slipped" - you interpreted it as a slip, and I straight-up disagree with your interpretation. Your following points I agree with though... there's a lot of assumption there. But in this game it's quite easy to get into the mindset of talking to people as equals and forgetting that you may be trying to convince scum of something they already know. So while I don't think it's exactly

proof

, I do see your point.

NS - I've declared intent to hammer (which was really just pending activity from more people since my declaration), how do you figure the wagon is going nowhere? Do you think Titus is more likely to be scum than yessiree?

[Titus]

In my last post, no one was on means relatively no one was on. Blah. Maybe I subconsciously disregarded scum. Whatever. This post is meant to edit that one.