Newbie 1351: Hyrule's Under Attack.. Interesting..-GAME OVER

[Z7-852]

I understand your logic Mac but it just seems little far fetched for me. Scum was against two kill-blocking PR. Losing even one night kill would make game so much harder to them even if they manage to avoid lynch.

[Mac]

Ok Z i see what you are saying.

What about the question in the last paragraph?

[Z7-852]

It is odd that Inneffective isn't really pushing toward you (or anyone), but on the other hand I thought goodmorning was a scum when she didn't push on you during D4.

[Z7-852]

It's that time of a year here in Finland. Midsummer night. It's kind of a big holiday here so I will be V/LA till Sunday or Monday depending on my hangover. In the mean while I would really like both of you to be more active and really try to summarize the whole game so we might have better reasons for the lynch. Currently it seems like Mac is doing much better job in this than Inneffective.

[Z7-852]

@Mod

Can you prob everyone?

[Mac]

Heh, sorry, was doing my own kind of hangover routine yesterday, especially with the downtime.

really need Ineffective here though

[Z7-852]

Seems like Ineffective have bailed the site. Like I stated earlier I don't want to play with a new replacement but I would like to see someones face when they get to be replaced in this thread in this state.

[Mac]

rubbish if he's bailed from the site. was heading down the ineffective being the last scum route too.

may just vote him and see how the replacement handles it.

[Ineffective]

I was running for a trophy :3

I got one!

Ok back to this.....

Tried coming back yesterday but site was down soo.......

[Mac]

so.... you haven't responded to the points I made towards you?

[TraceyLyn11]

VOTE COUNT 5.3

[L-2] Z7-852:

[L-2] Mac:

[L-2] Ineffective:

Not Voting:

3 (Z7-852, Mac, Ineffective)

• With three alive, it takes two to lynch.
  
• Day Five's deadline: June 28, 2013 CST or in (expired on 2013-06-28 20:00:00).
  
• V/LA: No one.

[Ineffective]

I just don't see no-kill to be viable option to anyone else than false claiming scum. And since I was wrong about there being one only logical solution is that scum tried to kill during night.
Now that I think about it fferyllt seemed to be logical kill during night 4 and I didn't think more of it but what if scum tried to kill fferyllt during night 3 also. That would mean that Mac cannot be scum.

Z let me break this down for you how no killing would work in that situation for scum.

> GM claims jailkeeper; scum would realises this is a likely legit claim
> During the pairing with GIF, she only pairs me with GIF.
> Scum sees this and takes advantage of it. a no kill will ALWAYS throw a cat amongst the pigeons, I can show you a similar example in a game where I was roleblocker, which is similarish, which worked out badly for town if you like. I roleblocked a vanilla town, the vt was lynched next day and I was nk'd. Spanner in the works, it's a free pass. you see what I'm getting at?

I hope this clears up what I'm thinking about with regards to a no kill. like I say it could also be that ffery was attacked & protected but we won't know until post-game.

now tell me, what do you make of Ineffective calling you likely town despite attacking you a little and not attacking me? because if he sees you as 'likely town' then logically I am 'likely scum' - yet his day 5 posting makes very little sense towards this line of thinking because he has barely interacted with me nor questioned me.

Why would i bother attacking someone i thought was scum?its a three way--- if i could get you to jump. On Z while simulatiously pushing at him to try to get him to towntell i would confirm my suspicions and be able to vote with an easy concious or wait for one of you to vote each other so i can clear myself and increase my odds--- fmpov as long as im not lynched i have a 5050 so pitting you against each other is to my benifit

That being said--- mac i havnt seen a bigger fencesitter in my life and i am seriously considering voting you

[Ineffective]

I understand your logic Mac but it just seems little far fetched for me. Scum was against two kill-blocking PR. Losing even one night kill would make game so much harder to them even if they manage to avoid lynch.

ou really believe this then you know i am town. I had no motivation to kill ffer --- i was in her solid town heap the vast majority of my time in the game with only one mention of her even being a tad bit paranoid of me and several afirmations that she was sure i was town... Why then would i target her instead on one of the PRS? absolutely no reason to because when it boiled doqn to a 3 way i would have instavoted whoever was left outside of her and she would have followed

[Ineffective]

If you really believe this*

[Z7-852]

Did Ineffective just say his waiting for one of us to vote for each other so he can increase his odds? This must be most terrible scumslip ever. Playing the odd game is wrong move for town to do right now. 50/50 odds are bad and we should really use better reasoning to justify our votes. I agree that Mac have been watching from sidelines but you have been worse.

[Mac]

I just don't see no-kill to be viable option to anyone else than false claiming scum. And since I was wrong about there being one only logical solution is that scum tried to kill during night.
Now that I think about it fferyllt seemed to be logical kill during night 4 and I didn't think more of it but what if scum tried to kill fferyllt during night 3 also. That would mean that Mac cannot be scum.

Z let me break this down for you how no killing would work in that situation for scum.

> GM claims jailkeeper; scum would realises this is a likely legit claim
> During the pairing with GIF, she only pairs me with GIF.
> Scum sees this and takes advantage of it. a no kill will ALWAYS throw a cat amongst the pigeons, I can show you a similar example in a game where I was roleblocker, which is similarish, which worked out badly for town if you like. I roleblocked a vanilla town, the vt was lynched next day and I was nk'd. Spanner in the works, it's a free pass. you see what I'm getting at?

I hope this clears up what I'm thinking about with regards to a no kill. like I say it could also be that ffery was attacked & protected but we won't know until post-game.

now tell me, what do you make of Ineffective calling you likely town despite attacking you a little and not attacking me? because if he sees you as 'likely town' then logically I am 'likely scum' - yet his day 5 posting makes very little sense towards this line of thinking because he has barely interacted with me nor questioned me.

Why would i bother attacking someone i thought was scum?its a three way--- if i could get you to jump. On Z while simulatiously pushing at him to try to get him to towntell i would confirm my suspicions and be able to vote with an easy concious or wait for one of you to vote each other so i can clear myself and increase my odds--- fmpov as long as im not lynched i have a 5050 so pitting you against each other is to my benifit

That being said--- mac i havnt seen a bigger fencesitter in my life and i am seriously considering voting you

aw wow this is incredibly hypocritical considering you have done nothing. and increasing your odds? is that of winning?

it's funny you should say that after I've mentioned possibly voting you.

[Mac]

in fact I'm very comfortable doing this

VOTE: Ineffective

pretty sure I'm correct, too.

[Ineffective]

Did Ineffective just say his waiting for one of us to vote for each other so he can increase his odds? This must be most terrible scumslip ever. Playing the odd game is wrong move for town to do right now. 50/50 odds are bad and we should really use better reasoning to justify our votes. I agree that Mac have been watching from sidelines but you have been worse.

you are a fucking retard--- vote me and enjoy your loss

[Ineffective]

if you think me wanting to increase my odds to a 50 50 by one of you voting the other is some kind of slip--- you deserve to lose this game, plain and simple

MY ODDS AS MAFIA IF ONE OF YOU VOTED THE OTHER--- IS 100%

[Ineffective]

I understand your logic Mac but it just seems little far fetched for me. Scum was against two kill-blocking PR. Losing even one night kill would make game so much harder to them even if they manage to avoid lynch.

ou really believe this then you know i am town. I had no motivation to kill ffer --- i was in her solid town heap the vast majority of my time in the game with only one mention of her even being a tad bit paranoid of me and several afirmations that she was sure i was town... Why then would i target her instead on one of the PRS? absolutely no reason to because when it boiled doqn to a 3 way i would have instavoted whoever was left outside of her and she would have followed

just in case you managed to ignore the obvious last time i said it

[Ineffective]

also...IF IT ISNT PAINFULLY OBVIOS BY NOW

I fossed mac all day and mac fencesits and tries to manuever against whoever he thinks is least likely to vote the other person

Once i said you were town, mac started leaning pretty damn heavy against me

Hmmmmmmm


Interesting.....

Wonder why that is

Zzzzzzzzzzz

[Mac]

also...IF IT ISNT PAINFULLY OBVIOS BY NOW

I fossed mac all day and mac fencesits and tries to manuever against whoever he thinks is least likely to vote the other person

Once i said you were town, mac started leaning pretty damn heavy against me

Hmmmmmmm


Interesting.....

Wonder why that is

Zzzzzzzzzzz

fucking bullshit.

you want to know a fact? when you mentioned me earlier today, saying I was fencesitting, that was the FIRST TIME you mentioned my name in the whole of day three without quoting.

you have pushed NOTHING on me, you have not fossed me until earlier when funnily enough I fossed you so this entire post is absolutely bullshit.

funny how all the posts are coming now you probably feel you have to post to save yourself when we previously heard nothing from you

Interesting isnt it?

[Ineffective]

I said z was town. I haz to mention you to fos u? Dat logic. U knew who id hammer so u voted me zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[Ineffective]

Anyways... Mac finally settled into something and hed look really bad if he changes so i doubt he will

Time to cross this VOTE: mac

If u think i tried to kill the person who townread me all game over the free doc kill when nobody died u r retard so im p sure town wins gg

[Mac]

lol you said z was looking town not even thinking he could manipulate you - you didnt even try and engage me as a scumread.

And now we are throwing petty insults. Very clever. pretty big sign of defeat that