Newbie 1388 Nexlexia Game Over

[Nobody Special]

The entry does not answer my questions. I was hoping you would link me to something that would answer them.

1) Does the jailkeeper select his target during the day or at night?

2) Does the roleblocker occur before the jailkeeper in the Order of Operations? The first page suggests that the roleblocker takes preference. If there are no roleblock claims, we can infer there is no roleblocker and have just as much information as the mafia. However, if the jailkeeper blocks the mafia. E.g. I'm not understanding preference on the host's first page.

I'm so irritated right now. Did you get a satisfactory answer to this or not? If not, I'll answer it, but I don't feel like going through the mental calisthenics if you're satisfied.

[Titus]

I am sorry if my scumhunting has irritated you. If it's a specific behavior, please tell me what it is so I can stop. I am trying to be reasonable here.


I had several questions in my day end that were causing me to doubt my scumreads.


How is explaining a "normal" role mental calisthenics?

Jailkeeper/roleblocker question I have

1) If the jailkeeper jails the roleblocker, and the roleblocker blocks someone else does it take effect? In other words is the Order of Operations... 1) Roleblocker blocks jailkeeper 2) Jailkeeper acts 3) Roleblocker blocks anyone else OR is it 1) Roleblocker blocks anyone 2) Jailkeeper acts? In the first scenairo, we cannot assume due to a lack of a roleblock claim that there is no roleblocker. The second scenario, we still likely would see a roleblocked claim.


I think an

unvote

is the right place to be due to seeing too much suspicious acts right now.

[Titus]

I phone post occasionally. Yes, NS. If I see something that needs to be commented on but I am not near my desktop I will phone post. What of it?

[Pebro]

With twisting Titus words do you just mean the "yessirree is a mislynch" slip, or something else/more?

I mean every slip DP says Titus made.

Could you give an example? I've reread the convo. It's "yessiree is amisslynch" and the other one I can find is explained in 503

From reading the convo I don't like Titus. His arguments against Pepper are stretching.

Vote: Titus

Also, Titus why should there be a "roleblock claim"?


For everyone, as earlier mentioned please don't respond inside quotes 524. Also don't plain c/p the text you're responding to and put your response below it, it makes me wonder why you're talking to yourself.

[Titus]

I've never insisted there should be a roleblock claim. I'm focusing on the hypothetical roleblocker because determining if there is a roleblocker would put us on equal footing with scums on figuring out the setup that is in play. The mafia know whether or not a roleblocker exists.

See the role introductory PMs

. If we can be certain that there is or is no roleblocker, we can eliminate scenarios the mafia have already logically eliminated.

[Pebro]

You didn't say you insisted but you did ask for a roleblock claim.

[Titus]

I did ask for a roleblock claim because a roleblock claim almost certainly confirms the presence of a roleblocker. I can't see the mafia faking a roleblocker.

[Pebro]

A roleblock claim would also out a PR..

[Titus]

No it wouldn't. A townie could have received a message from the host saying they were roleblocked. If the hosts don't send those messages, to me that's a strategically poor system and reveals who isn't a PR to the mafia.

[DoctorPepper]

No its not a bad system, it creates more vagueness which is good play. Stop doing information instead of analysis.

[Pebro]

Could you link the ruleset of the site you normally play, Titus?

[Titus]

No its not a bad system, it creates more vagueness which is good play. Stop doing information instead of analysis.

Information is part of analysis. If you know what roles are impossible, then you know what claims MUST be false.

The only vagueness the system creates where a townie wouldn't be notified of a roleblock is vagueness as to part of the town. Frankly, if the mafia expect a roleblocked claim but fail to get one, then they KNOW their target is likely a townie in a newbie setup with genuine newbies. Only SEs/ICs would withhold roleblock claims. What is the problem with wanting the town to be on equal footing with the mafia?

I'll link to the wiki to the site, I normally play on.

[Titus]

http://wiki.sc2mafia.com/index.php?title=Main_Page

That's the wiki for the page. Just a warning, it seems a little bit slow today.

Some translations

Consort/Escort = Roleblocker - Link here: http://wiki.sc2mafia.com/index.php?title=Consort , http://wiki.sc2mafia.com/index.php?title=Escort
Jailor = Jailkeeper - http://wiki.sc2mafia.com/index.php?title=Jailor
Sheriff = Cop - http://wiki.sc2mafia.com/index.php?title=Sheriff
Doctor = Doctor - http://wiki.sc2mafia.com/index.php?title=Doctor

Bulletproofs tend to appear only in the forum games, not in the real time games. Forum games on sc2mafia.com tend to follow the wiki very closely unless otherwise stated. I can provide past games for my meta as well.

I rarely play the same setup twice. Sc2mafia is a small community that enjoys changing the setup, creating half the battle as figuring out what the roles are.

[Titus]

Oh and the forum website is www.sc2mafia.com

[Nobody Special]

I phone post occasionally. Yes, NS. If I see something that needs to be commented on but I am not near my desktop I will phone post. What of it?

A) Why so defensive? (And I want to apologize for my irritability yesterday. Personal issues, including massive heat, which I'm allergic to.)

B) I've heard that it's quite difficult to get to the wiki from a phone, so I was wondering if you asking for the link was laziness (scum) or phone-posting (notscum).

[Nobody Special]

I am sorry if my scumhunting has irritated you. If it's a specific behavior, please tell me what it is so I can stop. I am trying to be reasonable here.


I had several questions in my day end that were causing me to doubt my scumreads.


How is explaining a "normal" role mental calisthenics?

Jailkeeper/roleblocker question I have

1) If the jailkeeper jails the roleblocker, and the roleblocker blocks someone else does it take effect? In other words is the Order of Operations... 1) Roleblocker blocks jailkeeper 2) Jailkeeper acts 3) Roleblocker blocks anyone else OR is it 1) Roleblocker blocks anyone 2) Jailkeeper acts? In the first scenairo, we cannot assume due to a lack of a roleblock claim that there is no roleblocker. The second scenario, we still likely would see a roleblocked claim.


I think an

unvote

is the right place to be due to seeing too much suspicious acts right now.

I apologize again for my irritation; it's exacerbated by personal issues, but you're being very stubborn about "the way we do things here" and that's one of my pet peeves.

Answer:


(from the setup information, page one,

this very thread)

:
*Roleblocker will take precedence over jailkeeper when resolving night actions should that apply.

Therefore, the Roleblocker blocks the jailkeeper, and the jailkeeper is blocked, which means they do not have an action.

Clear enough?

[Titus]

Ok. I'm sorry that I'm irritating you. I'll try to cut down on that expression. It's hard for me admit when I don't know everything, so I coax it with language like that. My arrogance is a fatal flaw of mine. I counteract it by asking for people to correct me if I'm wrong. Ex: My asking for information relating to you and Dr. Pepper being town.

I'm not concerned with roleblocks on the jailor. I'm concerned with the roleblocker blocking someone other than the jailkeeper when jailed. Can the roleblocker do that?

[Nobody Special]

Then you should've ASKED THAT IN THE FIRST PLACE FFS

[Titus]

That's what I am trying to ask. :S I don't think anyone understood me. That's all the scenarios with Ronnie Roleblocker.

[Nobody Special]

My interpretation of

*Roleblocker will take precedence over jailkeeper when resolving night actions should that apply.

is that the roleblocker actions first, therefore if the jailkeeper jails the roleblocker, the jailing action fails.

@Mod: Is this correct?

[Titus]

@Mod: To be clear, can the roleblocker block someone other than the jailor if the jailor selects him?

[Nobody Special]

If the Roleblocker

takes precedence,

then whatever the jailkeeper does (in regard to the roleblocker) is moot.

Why are you making this so difficult?

[Titus]

I was thinking that taking precedence could mean that both jailor and roleblocker occur at the same time at the Order of Operations and roleblocker occurs first. I just want clarification and then I can move on with my method of scumhunting. Why are you so angry with me wanting to understand the rules?

[Nobody Special]

It just seems (to me) that you are being purposefully obtuse. I guess you're just thorough. Then again, I have a lot of modding experience here, so I am probably biased.

[Titus]

I am very academic. The behaviors that drive you nuts are likely present in all of my games. I'd link you to my meta if you'd like to verify but analyzing a lot is my regular course of operation.