Newbie 1388 Nexlexia Game Over

[Titus]

Ok. I'm not a big believer in dichotomies either Bacde. I just happen to think Dr. Pepper is scum. I get the feeling you are seeing something I am not, because I have you as a town read. Can you please give me the proverbial kick in the ass to help me see things?

I do see your point there about lurkers possibly being scum. I'm not agreeing with you at moment, but there have been somethings that have unnerved me. I'd like you to flesh it out a bit. Who do you think is scum the most out of them?

[Bacde]

I do see your point there about lurkers possibly being scum. I'm not agreeing with you at moment, but there have been somethings that have unnerved me. I'd like you to flesh it out a bit. Who do you think is scum the most out of them?

I'm not 100% on anyone specifically, but I can guarantee you that at least one of the lurkers is scum.

If I was scum, and my partner (lets say DrP) got in a huge argument with a townie, I'd do my best to try to lay low and not stick out too much.

Same thing if I was scum, and two townies were in an argument and accusing each other (let's say titus and DrP), I would lay low still and try not to stick out too much.

The ONLY situation that one of the lurkers would not be scum, would be if both of you were scumpartners together, which doesn't seem likely to me because NS already pointed out that he didn't think you were partners either (which was something I was thinking actually). If NS was scum for whatever reason, then what he said was necessarily true. If NS was town, then he actually believed what he said. Either way, I don't see both of you as scum, and NS's statement helps reaffirm my read of that.

[Bacde]

And Maybe DrP is scum, and if he is you need to convince me of it because I'm not seeing it.

I just saw a bunch of wall arguments from two people who both looked like they wanted town to win, so if you saw something from DrP that indicates that he is scum instead, you should by all means quote it and point it out to me and explain why it reveals DrP's underlying scum psychology.

[Pebro]

Titus, why didn't the mechanics questions came up in your first game here?

It seems the main points Titus/Pepper are scummy are their arguments for lynching the other, it seems like they're looking for reasons to vote for eachother instead of looking for scum. If one is scum I wouldn't discount the other being scum.

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[Titus]

I'm not 100% on anyone specifically, but I can guarantee you that at least one of the lurkers is scum.

If I was scum, and my partner (lets say DrP) got in a huge argument with a townie, I'd do my best to try to lay low and not stick out too much.

Same thing if I was scum, and two townies were in an argument and accusing each other (let's say titus and DrP), I would lay low still and try not to stick out too much.

The ONLY situation that one of the lurkers would not be scum, would be if both of you were scumpartners together, which doesn't seem likely to me because NS already pointed out that he didn't think you were partners either (which was something I was thinking actually). If NS was scum for whatever reason, then what he said was necessarily true. If NS was town, then he actually believed what he said. Either way, I don't see both of you as scum, and NS's statement helps reaffirm my read of that.

This makes sense. I don't know what statement by NS you are referring to, but NS has been suspiciously lurking as well. I wouldn't be so quick to write him off. I might be suffering from confirmation bias but I don't think so.

I posted my concise argument on post 722. That should filter out the chatter and show what the clear analysis is.


@Pebro, there was a death night one of a town PR role. I had no reason to suspect that the special roles had acted differently at all. I was then shot the next night.

[Nobody Special]

I am not lurking. I am avoiding the idiotic back-and-forth.

[Bicephalous Bob]

I just realized that I haven't asked a question that came up during night one.

NS, I know you changed your vote to Titus at some point during day one because you thought the bandwagon wasn't going anywhere. The thing is, yessirree was on L-1. JKM even stated he was going to hammer once CDB returned. I guess you could've missed that, but it didn't seem to me there was a general reluctance to hammer yessirree. So why did you think the wagon wasn't going anywhere?

[Nobody Special]

I wasn't at all confident that CDB would come back in a timely fashion, and wagons tend to stagnate and fall apart when not maintained.

[ChannelDelibird]

BAD CDB. BAD, BAD CDB. BAD.

Working at the moment but quiet enough that I should be able to read. I really can't apologise enough about this, I have no idea why this game keeps slipping my mind.

[ChannelDelibird]

What I'll do first, quickly, is to offer a meek and sheepish self-defence with regards to my failure to deliver promised content in a timely fashion. While I have got a little bit better of late, this is a habit that I have had for most of my years of playing mafia. If you really, really want I can go back and dig up a whole bunch of links where I fall behind and consistently fail to catch up (both as town and scum) but, as NS's note that he didn't necessarily expect me to be prompt in returning I think implied, regulars like him around here are well aware of my somewhat patchy activity record.

I'm not saying this is a towntell or anything; just that you bear this in mind when you try to decide whether or not I am more likely to be town or scum.

[ChannelDelibird]

So the last time I was on I promised to go and reread the Titus/Dr Pepper debate because I was starting to doubt my DocPepScum/TitusTown read. And I think probably a part of why I haven't rushed back to do that is because

oh my god the walls, the walls of text

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So I'm going to try to look at it in a slightly skimmy way, trying to pick out particularly relevant posts like when people vote for them and such, to try and get a condensed read. It'll do for the short term and, hey, if we end up moving onto something else rather than this wallfest I probably won't complain.

[Titus]

Channel, just jump to post 722. It lays out my case. Then Dr. Pepper can put his up and we can move on.

I have my opinions on who the scum team is, but I don't want to drag the game down so far where people don't want to play.

[DoctorPepper]

That was a disgusting misrep. I started toncall you scum when a) you slipped, b) you were being really hypocritical, c) you were saying things for town cred and d) you were defending Bob. Im just going to say that I've made my case multiple times and if you want it dont be a lazy ass and ISO ME. Im just going bring up points I havent to prove why youre scum.

Why exactly is me potentially considering an IC scum scummy? What makes me scummy for it? Answer that. I never directly said it because for all I know (andI have mentioned this) THE IC COULD HAVE BEEN PROTECTED (which indicated my "scum are probably newbies theory. People saying that it doesnt matter because the IC is another player, are trying to save face. Because common newbie site meta is either protect the Ic or NK them)

Am I scum for creating my own conspiracy theory?

Blew a gasket? When? Also your logic is flawed. If I was scum, and I knew yessirree was town, instead of attracting all this unwanted attention to myself and try to get someone else lynched, and excessively argue with them? I could have simply hammered him and few would care. This is why Im not using this against you, because its not scummy behavior. (I do realize that in my first game with you, I pretty much made an L-1 wagon go away and got someone else lynched after me being the first vote)

Im not provoking you, I think you are scum. Simple as that.
Please show me an instance where I've twisted your words? Dont be a hypocrite and realize that you twist my words on a postly basis.

Everyone answer me this, for Titus's benefit. What is more deserving of scum tells. Hammering without intent with 11 days on the deadline? O r hammering with intent and a claim and consent with 5 days left on the deadline?

You are misapplying points here. That hammer (made by a townie, no less) context here Newbie 1372

No I didnt backtrack, I realized that you could have meant yessirree. So thanks for the misrep, again.
If you have to resort to misrepping me, then dont have the audacity to start saying that "Im not analyzing" when I've been basically analyzing your every post and calling you scum. Thats bullshit. And being stubborn? Is not a scum tell and it sounds like youre just looking for more shit to sling at me.

Titus does not have town motivations, she wants me lynched because I've caught her.

I do agree that one lurker is scum. And thats Bi-bob.

Hey bob, answer my question to you.

[DoctorPepper]

I do see your point there about lurkers possibly being scum. I'm not agreeing with you at moment, but there have been somethings that have unnerved me. I'd like you to flesh it out a bit. Who do you think is scum the most out of them?

I'm not 100% on anyone specifically, but I can guarantee you that at least one of the lurkers is scum.

If I was scum, and my partner (lets say DrP) got in a huge argument with a townie, I'd do my best to try to lay low and not stick out too much.

Same thing if I was scum, and two townies were in an argument and accusing each other (let's say titus and DrP), I would lay low still and try not to stick out too much.

The ONLY situation that one of the lurkers would not be scum, would be if both of you were scumpartners together, which doesn't seem likely to me because NS already pointed out that he didn't think you were partners either (which was something I was thinking actually). If NS was scum for whatever reason, then what he said was necessarily true. If NS was town, then he actually believed what he said. Either way, I don't see both of you as scum, and NS's statement helps reaffirm my read of that.

I doubt the whole lurkers dont exist if both scum are arguing. Particularly because I know Im town. And also because when we bussed each other that game, people just sat back and watched

Im not seeing where Titus is town. Show me because I really doubt Im changing my position on this

[DoctorPepper]

Titus, why didn't the mechanics questions came up in your first game here?

It seems the main points Titus/Pepper are scummy are their arguments for lynching the other, it seems like they're looking for reasons to vote for eachother instead of looking for scum. If one is scum I wouldn't discount the other being scum.

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Looking for reasons to vote each other? Ergo I if I do that, then I think they are scum. What was the purpose of this? Its like you did this to make it seem like you had an actual say in the matter

[Bicephalous Bob]

I wasn't at all confident that CDB would come back in a timely fashion, and wagons tend to stagnate and fall apart when not maintained.

There were no signs of the wagon falling apart. You, one of the biggest supporters of the yessirree lynch, were the first one to leave the wagon. Did you think Titus was more likely to be scum than yessirree when you changed your vote to Titus?

[DoctorPepper]

Hey Bob, stop ignoring me. I want answers

[Titus]

Dr. Pepper, I feel there were several false statements in your post on 737. However, the town has asked this not to turn into a wall of text. I am not ignoring your posts at all, and I want to respond but I'm going to do what the town wants and move on so we can actually put forth evidence on other people. So I'm not ignoring you, I'm not responding.

[Bicephalous Bob]

You mean these?

By that logic, you admit there are flaws in the logic?

And by that definition you think only townies commit logical fallacies?

And by that logic you think town's logic should be perfect?

And by that logic you think scum is the only faction to exploit loopholes?

Worst. Chainsaw. Ever.

I don't understand them. What made you think I think only townies commit logical fallacies?

[DoctorPepper]

Dr. Pepper, I feel there were several false statements in your post on 737. However, the town has asked this not to turn into a wall of text. I am not ignoring your posts at all, and I want to respond but I'm going to do what the town wants and move on so we can actually put forth evidence on other people. So I'm not ignoring you, I'm not responding.

Show me where false points are.

[DoctorPepper]

So being "stupid" by your definition is scummy? Because by that logic town wouldnt be so stupid, we'd catch scum all the time and there would be no point in playing mafia.
The amount of Opportunistic scum in this game is too damn high

Using loopholes in logic to accuse people is scummy. Memes are terrible.

Loopholes in logic. Which mens the logic was flawed or susceptible to cracks. By saying that I am using this and Im scum for it, your saying Im scum doing this on a townie. By saying that, youre saying that only townies commit logical fallacies/flawed logic and scum would never do this. Or if scum commits to flawed logic (which happens a lot), then people using it against them are also scum?
Your case is shit, die scum

[Titus]

1) That you never twisted my words. See post 720 for some areas where you twisted.
2) You imply that I'm calling you scummy because you called the IC scummy. This is wrong on several fronts. I accused you of planting seeds of doubt about the IC preemptively. You've never claimed the IC was part of your alleged scum team.
3) The backtrack is obviously true. If it was a simple mistake, you would be willing to look and see if you made mistakes elsewhere.
4) I don't have to look for shit. You provide plenty.

Everyone can figure out what the truth is. I'd rather not drag this out to massive walls of text.

[DoctorPepper]

1. Show me where that happened. And dont be a hypocrite.
2. What the hell does this even mean? I've planted seeds of doubt? I put a mild suspicion on him yes, does it make me scum?
3. It was a legitimate mistake. Why would that one mistake make me want t look back? That had evidence to back it up. This again is a misapplied point.
4. This isnt even a point against me. And again, don't be a hypocrite.

I WILL SERIOUSLY NOT BE SATISFIED UNTIL WE GET THIS SCUM LYNCHED

[Bicephalous Bob]

DP, I explained why I didn't think your reason for suspecting Bacde is sound. Instead of defending your point of view or admitting you're wrong, you said I shouldn't find your illogical reason to suspect Bacde suspicious. I appreciate your help, but I'm a big boy and I can decide for myself what I think is scummy. Now, could you please explain why you think the lack of a night kill indicates mafiosi with experience?

[DoctorPepper]

No youre saying anyone who you think doesnt use sound logic is scum.

I have already done so, but fine.
Usual newbie scum game meta, kill the IC night one because the IC is mistakenly thought of as the biggest threat. Thus some newbie scum try to kill the IC while some newbie doctors do the same and try to protect the IC.