Mini 1482: Castle - A Mafia Murder So Vile (GAME OVER)

[Malakittens]

Kate: You think he remembers?
Castle: When a life altering moment occurs, people remember.
(After a pause.)
Kate: Well, maybe it’s too big to deal with. Maybe he... can’t face it just yet.
Castle: You think he ever will be?
Kate: Hopefully. If he feels safe.

2.08

With eleven alive it will take six to lynch.

*macmollie -
*theslimer3 -
*Sweet Pertayter - macmollie [1]
*thenewearth - Natirasha, penguin_alien, Sweet Pertayter [3]
*Mantisdreamz -
*Wisdom -
*Serrapaladin - Wisdom [1]
*Desperado -
*Bert -
*Natirasha - Desperado [1]
*penguin_alien - Mantisdreamz [1]

Not Voting [4]: thenewearth, Serrapaladin, bert, Theslimer3

Chapter 2 Ends..

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2013-09-05 03:00:00)

(There are no hints/clues in this flavor or in any flavor of the vote counts or death scenes. It's for entertainment purposes.)

[Natirasha]

Hey, you got the top of the page this time.

[macmollie]

Updated scumpile; {serra, mollie, tne, penguin, Desp}
Mara's making me think she's probably town.

so if tne is a scum read for you then why are you not voting him?

[Wisdom]

Updated scumpile; {serra, mollie, tne, penguin, Desp}
Mara's making me think she's probably town.

so if tne is a scum read for you then why are you not voting him?

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[macmollie]

yeah I did not get that the first time you said it

[Bert]

talk to me when you stahp hedging

What's hedging? I'm going to ask some questions and get myself back into this game and get back to feeling. Wish today hadn't been the first day of classes - have till Tues. off to pester ye guys now though

Here's my vote, macmollie:

VOTE: thenewearth

Ughhhhh you waited till someone asked you for a vote, and then you just complied just like that. That's worrisome

if you think I am blatantly lying then vote me. I have nothing to gain by lying I am only telling you how I perceive you.

You just made me very paranoid.

this post literally reeks of scum wisdom

inb4 he says I don't know what I am talking about hurr durr

Wisdom is being wayyyyyyyyyy more OVER paranoid than he was in my last game where he was scum in Newbie 1402. I wanted to punch myself at the end of D2 when he was being so STUBBORN. Lucky I was on my phone otherwise I had some harsh words. GUT says Wisdom is TOWN TOWN TOWN. Wisdom, you're finally acknowledging that there is apparently a difference between town-wisdom and scum-wisdom.... I can't believe it. What has gotten into you

I want to hear from serra before drawing definite conclusions from the Wisdom-Nat-serra triangle of suspicion, but right now I don't think Wisdom's argument holds water. Whether he's being stubborn or scummy, I'm not sure.

HEY

HEY give us your opinion on whether he's being SCUMMY or STUBBORN in your opinion. Why must Serra chime in first??? Serra hasn't had time to really get into the game on D2 yet. Wisdom has been stubborn all game. He has been campaigning for votes all game, even when there is not enough suspicion on his target. He's reaching, reaching, reaching.... WAYYYYYYYYYYYYY beyond... that's sorta town to me. It hasn't been just the easiest targets either. Now you've heard my opinion. What's yours??

HOWEVER, far in the back of my mind I am paranoid about how he completely resists lynching people on the basis that "tehy are definitely town town (see: Mantis D1, and a couple of others who I can't remember because I am re-reading from the most recent to the oldest."

right now his line of defense for his reasoning is "mollie are you on drugs".

I am not letting this go like I did in that game.

You know what, I would actually like to see both neighbors die for paranoia reasons. They need to both go, damn. I will scream if there is another set of neighbors.

No, the full line is

Natirasha refuses to vote serra - serra wagon stalls
serra refuses to vote Natirasha - Natirasha wagon stalls
serra votes Desp, Natirasha votes Desp
Mantis brings up havingfitz idea
Natirasha votes havingfitz, serra votes havingfitz.

Context is important.

What are you trying to get at here... that they are plotting against us and BOTH are scum?

Because there were 4 people on the original Desp wagon. And also 5 others no the fitz wagon. It was a team effort. And there were people not willing to lynch Nat and/or serra, but they weren't proclaiming it like OMG WILL NOT VOTE SERRA/NAT like your stubborn self

OK I'm still not caught up yet, but the more I talk and give reactions, the faster I get back into this game and start getting some feelings for people again. I am going to re-read and then look at who read who as what now. You all added 13 pages while I was sleeping and then in class, and I have to say I like this activity.



yall lovelies I love pestering you

Wisdom I don't understand why you are reading me as town this game, this does not happen ever (514 you started reading me as scum towards the end, 1402 you freakin got me lynched, and in our marathons you got onto me early). What's up with that? Afraid people are gonna defend me and make you look bad? Time to get some friggin reactions outta you

if you're town, let's convince mollie before she goes bananas

[macmollie]

I mean do you think that scum are trying to move the lynch away from sera? if so who?

so do you still think nats is scum? do you still think tater is town?

I am trying to follow the progression of your thoughts and I can't.

I think that tater thing is being opportunistic wrt our fight if you are town.

[Sweet Pertayter]

I'm not hedging?

I just gave three decent scum-reads, one maybe scum-read, and a the rest are being read as town

I am flip-flopping alot this game, but I am not hedging

[Bert]

I'm not hedging?

I just gave three decent scum-reads, one maybe scum-read, and a the rest are being read as town

I am flip-flopping alot this game, but I am not hedging

What, flip-flopping? Why are you doing that so much. Are you having trouble settling on a solid scumread?

VOTE: serra

God you hydras are so confusing. Serra/Wis has to have one scum, according to you...

You've voted TNE today, tater, serra, even Wis.... in less than 20 hours

what's up with that

This is the exact feeling I got in Hidden Temple tbh - you can't see I am town when you should be seeing it. I understand if Om, Natirasha, or whoever else has not played with before does not see it, but you should be seeing it.

if I were scum you would be dead

it really is that simple

the hidden temple paranoia is what I would expect you to do as scum. remember you giving me a pass cos I was sus of you on the heels of polygamy? it works both ways.

explain to me your town read on mantis. that is 1 thing I am having a hard time swallowing.

You two won't stop going after each other... UGH why do you two keep clashing

Mollie won in Hidden Temple, right? Wait, wait, wait. What does polygamy have to do with any of this

I was in polygamy, and that game had LOVERs where Absta (paired with Wisdom) was freakin scummy as heck

[Wisdom]

Wisdom, you're finally acknowledging that there is apparently a difference between town-wisdom and scum-wisdom.... I can't believe it. What has gotten into you

It's Nacho's fault

What are you trying to get at here... that they are plotting against us and BOTH are scum?

That's what I thought at first (I explained it much more in another post) but right now I think only serra is.

Because there were 4 people on the original Desp wagon. And also 5 others no the fitz wagon. It was a team effort. And there were people not willing to lynch Nat and/or serra, but they weren't proclaiming it like OMG WILL NOT VOTE SERRA/NAT like your stubborn self

Spoiler: really?

WHY ARE YOU VOTING FOR NAT. IT'S LITERALLY OF ZERO USE!!

WHY ARE YOU VOTING FOR NAT. IT'S LITERALLY OF ZERO USE!!

it's my vote!!!

<3

I don't want to lynch Nat though.

I'd really much rather not.

Wisdom I don't understand why you are reading me as town this game, this does not happen ever (514 you started reading me as scum towards the end, 1402 you freakin got me lynched, and in our marathons you got onto me early). What's up with that? Afraid people are gonna defend me and make you look bad? Time to get some friggin reactions outta you

if you're town, let's convince mollie before she goes bananas

I learned to read you after getting paranoid in 514, quite confident I can tell your townplay now.

[Bert]

I mean do you think that scum are trying to move the lynch away from sera? if so who?

so do you still think nats is scum? do you still think tater is town?

I am trying to follow the progression of your thoughts and I can't.

I think that tater thing is being opportunistic wrt our fight if you are town.

Are you talking to me? I need to read D1 again to make my reads more solid-feeling so I can feel like I'm active and engaged and yada-yada.

But GUT-wise,

Nats - he/she has picked up his game since the beginning of D1. Good gut feelings I don't know why he/she just suddenly came alive but I'm happy with him/her for the time being.

Mara/OM - I *think* town based on D1, but I am very very very very paranoid because he/she is jumping around like an energy bunny. Plus, who is he/she/they to talk to you and tell you to calm down when they aren't ever freakin calm either.

TNE I don't like and I will re-read to see why

I don't like the slimer guy either, from his end D1 play. I want him gone.

More so than anyone else here. Gut feelings FOR THE FREAKIN WIN

[Natirasha]

A Desp/TNE/Slimer team would be too easy. But, again, how many scum are we even trying to find?

[penguin_alien]

Bert, I didn't 'just comply,' I'd thought that TNE hadn't posted yet today. That shifted my scummish read to a scum read one.

Wisdom, I'm still figuring out. There's time.

[Wisdom]

A Desp/TNE/Slimer team would be too easy. But, again, how many scum are we even trying to find?

Most likely three.

[Wisdom]

I mean do you think that scum are trying to move the lynch away from sera? if so who?

Who do you see in my scumpile?

so do you still think nats is scum? do you still think tater is town?

I think I have answered both of those.

[Wisdom]

Wisdom, I'm still figuring out. There's time.

I don't see you doing anything to figure me out.

[Bert]

A Desp/TNE/Slimer team would be too easy.

Why? Slimer and Desp seem really competent, and Desp is a bit of an enigma IMO. He doesn't give us much to work with, that's the feeling I get with him. Slimer is all "OMG FUCKERY, WHAT IS THAT WHAT IS THIS" He's also not terribly lurky, so I disagree with Serra on how Slimer is just plain "coasting"

TNE isn't a super easy read, but his play does make him an easy target... but that doesn't equal scum. Interested to hear what you have to say

But, again, how many scum are we even trying to find?

I'm not a setup expert. You are, you've modded games right?

Bert, I didn't 'just comply,' I'd thought that TNE hadn't posted yet today. That shifted my scummish read to a scum read one.

all I see from TNE today is "ohey guys I'm totally not caught up, but I think I would like to vote Wisdom too"

Yes, that looks scummy...your point is accepted.

Yeah, he hasn't really contributed much yet. Bah.

[Wisdom]

Bert, how would you feel about serra/penguin/Desp? That's my best guess right now.

[Desperado]

as for Desperado, I just don't like him...

I feel like he's treading water, taking care as to who he aligns himself to and I don't see any proactivity coming from him which is really worrisome

why do you think he's town?

Can you be more specific about this?

You can start by explaining why town wouldn't take care as to who they align themselves with.

[Natirasha]

@I have no prior experience with literally anyone in this game except Mara. My "too easy" comment was more saying that, if they're the scum team, we got this game in the bag. TNE has opened himself up to these accusations...he has done very little. I could certainly see any of the three being town(especially Desp), but like, TNE makes the most sense out of all of them. Noobiness? Maybe, I don't know.

@Setups: Although I am the setup master supreme, my games have a lot more...eccentricity to them. My most popular game was 3 scum+benevolent SK. My most well-known game involved an SK, a 3-man scumteam, a cult and a survivor variant in a 13p game...From what I've seen, this game is very vanilla in it's execution, which points towards either a 3-man goonsquad or a 2-man with powers.

[Bert]

And no, I guess not... I don't quite know what to think of Mantis but right now it seems like it's the only thing standing.
If I don't stand my ground then this will be forgotten...

Yeah, you're sorta an enigma because your play is so wacky - don't mean to offend you.

But this post is just screaming GUT SCUM. Like, you haven't mentioned Mantis all game, and suddenly you go "I don't quite know what to think, but this is the deadline" and then add some dramatizing "if I don't stand my grown then this will be forgotten"

That last line is SOOOOOOO fake sounding. WHATTT



WOULD LOVE TO LYNCH YOU, BABY

Be very very very afraid of me

Vote: Slimer

I'm still starting to regain the remaining feelings I've lost since.

There's nothing like being in the game and interacting a lot and having those feelings I can't control. Crud, deadlines, crud. Wish someone could keep me itnerested during the downtime

[Wisdom]

Bert, that's just how slimer posts.

[Bert]

Bert, how would you feel about serra/penguin/Desp? That's my best guess right now.

Don't like

Penguin

. She lurked the hell out of D1 and that does not sit well with me. Like is she usually like this, because you just said slimer plays like how she/he plays... and it pings all my scumdars, whatttt

Bottom line, if you're scum you were probably hoping to get a wagon on presumed town-havingfitz somewhere down the line. You have a reputation for tunneling, so no one would think it odd for you to come back to a read you'd been holding since early game later on.

And yes, if havingfitz had flipped town, the part where we didn't lynch people at deadline who at least would have provided lots of player interaction information by virtue of not having been V/LA for so long in favor of HF would have been a fine argument. Still might be. Doesn't excuse your interactions with that particular wagon.

Heck, if the outcome yesterday says one thing, it's that the havingfitz lynch doesn't improve anyone's town standing. It was great for town, but it could have easily been godawful and only been marginally better than a no-lynch.

Didn't like this part of her post because she seems to be going around and around without making a point, rather just summarizing what's going on and not adding much new. It's all "scum would X and Y but not Z" It sounds too contrived

Re: Serra

How confident are you about Serra because this is my first game with him/her. I like him/her from the end of D1 (gut), and I liked Arc. :/ That's why I was kinda reluctant to vote Serra AT ALL. Actually, scratch that I had good feelings about him/her and really didn't want him/her dead unless it was totally necessary.

Desp I don't know. I had him with Lynx as a scumread D1 and look how that turned out He confuses the heck outta me because he doesn't give us enough words to work with for the most part, and he isn't crystal clear with his compelte reads. He's not giving out enough reads for me to get a better feel.

but I will withotu a doubt settle for him as a lynch if push comes to shove, for this:

Why? I'd rather NL than lynch a townread. It's pretty simple, and it's not a death sentence or something. We NLed D1 in WWE (multiball large theme) and steamrolled the scum because of it.

EWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

[Desperado]

What reads haven't I been clear about Bert?

[Wisdom]

I'm pretty confident about serra.
My main point, which I've explained countless times, is his refusal to vote Natirasha. He was willing to vote himself in order to avoid a no-lynch, but he was not willing to vote Natirasha to avoid a no-lynch. I cannot see this done by town, no matter how hard I try.

And then there's my point from D1 - his push on slimer felt forced. He even threatened to blacklist everyone because they didn't want to lynch slimer. I have played a fair amount of games with serra(all town) and I don't think it's like him to get annoyed at lurkers, especially to that extent.