Mini 1492: Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets GAME OVER

[ChannelDelibird]

That was quick but also disappointing. <3

[RachMarie]

CDB I just got up a few minutes ago after spending well over 24 hours in bed. So yeah thats why so quick after your post

[ChannelDelibird]

Fair enough.

[Fegelein]

@Feg, Squilly isn't flailing because... Squilly hasn't posted anything since post 39. Hard to flail when you just start hardcore lurking for two days straight.

Also, I am somewhat "flailing" because I hate when people use bullshit tells like "passive voice" and things like that. Now, if a person is using meta (is person X only says Y when they are scum and not town), that's different. But in my short time playing, I have found that "grammar" scumslips are the most unreliables ones. (The most often stupid example being "he said town instead of us/we!")

Again, if you look back at Newbie 1368, people thought I was scum in it because of the same posting style because I was pissed off against a BS tell. (And yes, blah blah blah self-meta, I am just pointing out that I really think those things are BS without meta to back it up.)

It is also why I understand Jason's reluctance to share why Amrun is scummy, as he may have enough data to back up his own read but not enough to justify to town. If he hasn't presented a case by mid to late day, it is worth looking into then, but for now I see no harm in letting him continue to work the case if he can. I think he's been vague enough that he hasn't tipped off Amrun to whatever made Jason get scumvibes in the first place.

Squilly still isn't flailing though while you are. Maybe Squilly hasn't had the chance to flail yet since inactivity, but you're still the only one flailing here.

Yes, your example is daft, but their case isn't quite so daft. I don't find it to be as big a scum-tell as Delibird and Amrun do, but they do have a fair point.

I'll check out that game soon. But still, it's self-meta, and you can't do anything to change that.

I'm still perplexed as to how you can get a scum-read from one post during RVS, and not even explain it, or even say "I have my reasons".

@CBD: Why are you doubting your LnGrrrR vote?

Also, hi Rach

[ChannelDelibird]

Probably would have expanded if I thought it would be useful.

[Fegelein]

So you're getting cold feet off of cold feet?

[ChannelDelibird]

Why would you imply that from me literally saying 'no comment'

[StubbsKVM]

Jason, I don't really get what you're doing. Do you have any other reads besides Amrun?

[Fegelein]

Why would you imply that from me literally saying 'no comment'

"if I thought it would be useful."

[ChannelDelibird]

Oh, if you were just joking, ignore me. If it was some kind of serious point, pretend you were joking.

[Fegelein]

Oh, if you were just joking, ignore me. If it was some kind of serious point, pretend you were joking.

Discrediting the argument does not make it go away.

[ChannelDelibird]

Oh, sorry, I legitimately did not think that you would be calling me scum for that.

I'm not, so don't worry about it.

[Fegelein]

I never called you scum.

[ChannelDelibird]

OK well I'm just going to move on and you can do whatever it is you want to do.

[Amrun]

From what I've seen of Jason, no reason to think he's more likely to behave this way as scum than town. See #51 for actual psychological insight into a KILLER (passive voice to go "naked votes are frowned upon" rather than "I am frowning upon your naked vote" is what you say when you want to avoid owernship of your words).

Do you really actually believe this? I fully explained what I meant the next post, after I realized some people obviously aren't familiar with the English language.

If I were to say something like, "Lying about your claim at L-2 is frowned upon", would you still think that's the "sign of a KILLER"? (Also, I love the way you made sure to capitalize that word to add extra emphasis to your bullshit "scumhunt".)

Lets just get this straight here:

Squilly votes and unvotes nakedly twice and once with a horrible explanation, and hasn't really posted since then = newbtown, totally excusable

LnGrrrR uses the passive voice = obvscum

I'm glad Im not the only one who sucks at scumhunting his game. Join the club Channel.

This reeks of scum caught for the wrong reasons and "why aren't they lynching the scummy newb." Also, calling your own scumhunting bad while also putting down someone voting for you is just all sorts of scummaliciousness.

And this whole "mysterious voting triangle" is the sort of meaningless coincidence that scum like to point out in lieu of actually scumhunting.

I wasn't sure at first but he's literally not even attempting to draw a conclusion from it, so yes.

This is a good wagon. Amrun is pleased.

Hmm... Well, what did I say about it when I first brought it up?

Also not a fan of the weird triangle between Amrun, ChannelDelibird and Squilly.

Squilly has only "seriously" voted both of you, you and CDB both voted for each other in RVS, and then you both voted me back to back. Not sure what to make of it, but it feels off to me.

I don't know that it is necessarily "indicative" of anything... As I just said above, not sure what to make of it but it feels off. Just a gut reaction that there's too much synchronicity there.

Again, I don't know what to make of it. Something about it feels off, but Im not sure how. I know, Im totally scum for not having the team down rock solid by the whopping fourth page of this game, and goodness forbid I try to post something that isn't a total lead. I should just be like Jason and say "Hey this guy is scum!" and then I wouldn't be suspicious at all. Or just sheep everyone else's vote like Squilly. Or just lurk like half the people in the thread. Then I'd be obvtown!

Amrun, Channel, if you are town, step up your game. I'm really the main person posting so I know it's hard to find other interactions, but try to stop tunneling anyways and take a look.

This, like a few other things, comes from the mindset that CDB and I are both town. You're also not the person posting the most, not that posting = content anyway.

Guys, I feel a death tunnel coming on.

[JasonWazza]

Jason is also good at both being scum and town. Not so sold on this wagon on him though.

Though to be fair, I always lynch you as scum.

[RachMarie]

No you NKed me in one Newbie game....

I was like WTF??? I rarely get NKed?

[ChannelDelibird]

'K I'm just going to sheep Amrun because she's both town and right

[JasonWazza]

I must have done that on the basis i always lynch you as scum....

But that easy wagon is a no go, cause your prob's not scum.

[JasonWazza]

Jason, I don't really get what you're doing. Do you have any other reads besides Amrun?

Yes and they will be disclosed when i put them into a single post in the thread.

[fferyllt]

I'm having a look for passive voice in LnnnGrrrR's town game here: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

97 - pretty straightforward and active voice.

103 - is more indirect. 105 and 113 in that convo come off much more active and aggressive.

208 - is more descriptive.

279 - is more passive (and annoyed), and is followed with more of the same in 319.

I'll stop linking to specific posts. It's easy enough to cruise through the iso.

His iso in that town game is a mix of active voice and passive voice. Voice seems to signal reflection/introspection/decisions when passive, and scumhunting/digging for answers and reactions when active.

[Amrun]

I really don't care about the fact that he used passive voice. It's the context, and what else he DIDN'T say in that post, and then his reactions to that.

[oriole]

Prod received. Sorry about the inactivity; I'll have something tomorrow...

[LnGrrrR]

I really don't care about the fact that he used passive voice. It's the context, and what else he DIDN'T say in that post, and then his reactions to that.

Please explain what else I didn't say, and what you think I should have said.

[Toomai]

I'm having a look for passive voice in LnnnGrrrR's town game here:

Really what is the point in this? Seems like nothing more than a distraction.