Xenogears Mafia (Game Over)

[TiphaineDeath]

<Argueing against the nick wagon because he's a townread.

[Trust Fund]

WOah woah woah woah hold the fuck up.

I read my role card wrong.

I thought it said including factional ability

It says EXCLUDING factional ability.

Fuck. Sorry guys.

[Nachomamma8]

GHOSTLIN WHERE THE HELL DID YOU GO

[Nachomamma8]

also, that's pretty unfortunate!

[mastin2]

Who are the scum saving their asses?

Hmm...

I haven't the slightest idea.

Maybe it's the elephant in the room?

[mastin2]

So, stats on the wagon-nick-to-end-the-day:
Andrius (in favor)
Venmar
nickthename (against, obv)
BeautyAndTheBeast (in favor)
Nachomamma8 (in favor)
Desperado
notscience (in favor)
zMuffinMan (against?)
Faster than Light (in favor)
Mutleyddmc
Aj the Epic (in favor)
TiphaineDeath (against)
Trust Fund

Haven't posted since my post about the nick wagon ending the day:
BROseidon (but is on the wagon, so presumably, in favor)
Ghostlin
Mac
Malakittens

So, basically, we're waiting on those four to come in and state their opinion on the matter.

I would also like to hear from Trust Fund, Mutley, Desperado, and Venmar on their thoughts--both on the nick wagon in general, and on how it's being advocated to end the day.

Furthermore, I want those against it to explain if it's because of a read on nick, or because of the wagon itself being quick and ending the day prematurely. (Or both, or neither, but do elaborate.)

[Andrius]

WOah woah woah woah hold the fuck up.

I read my role card wrong.

I thought it said including factional ability

It says EXCLUDING factional ability.

Fuck. Sorry guys.

well that changes things

So, stats on the wagon-nick-to-end-the-day:
Andrius (in favor)
Venmar
nickthename (against, obv)
BeautyAndTheBeast (in favor)
Nachomamma8 (in favor)
Desperado
notscience (in favor)
zMuffinMan (against?)
Faster than Light (in favor)
Mutleyddmc
Aj the Epic (in favor)
TiphaineDeath (against)
Trust Fund

Haven't posted since my post about the nick wagon ending the day:
BROseidon (but is on the wagon, so presumably, in favor)
Ghostlin
Mac
Malakittens

So, basically, we're waiting on those four to come in and state their opinion on the matter.

I would also like to hear from Trust Fund, Mutley, Desperado, and Venmar on their thoughts--both on the nick wagon in general, and on how it's being advocated to end the day.

Furthermore, I want those against it to explain if it's because of a read on nick, or because of the wagon itself being quick and ending the day prematurely. (Or both, or neither, but do elaborate.)

hi mastin
you seem to equate lynching with ending the day
'WELL ANDRUIS', you might say, 'WHEN A LYNCH OCCURS THEN THE LYNCHEE DIES AND IT SOUNDS SO SILLY OF ME TO SAY THIS BUT IT ENDS THE DAY'
well yes mastin, yes it does
you are just making it seem like we're here lynching nick with the purpose of ENDING THE DAY, while the real purpose is to lynch him dead
there's a difference

you're like WAGON TO END THE DAY
no
its a wagon to lynch nick
which yes, does end the day
but you're miscommunication our reasons
which is scummy

am i making myself clear here?

[Mac]

& there go any doubts about andy being town with that.

so bro is still scum too?

[Andrius]

TOWN
AJ The Epic
Desperado
Ghostlin
Nachomamma8

Saki

mutleyddmc

TOWN BECAUSE RACHMARIE
TiphanieDeath
zMuffinman

LEANINGTOWN
FasterThanLight
mac
BROseidon

LEANING SCUM
TrustFund

SCUM
mastin

RachMarie

nickthename
Venmar

NACHO, I LEAVE IT ALL TO YOU
BeautyandtheBeast
Malakittens

SoundofSilence

[Nachomamma8]

WOah woah woah woah hold the fuck up.

I read my role card wrong.

I thought it said including factional ability

It says EXCLUDING factional ability.

Fuck. Sorry guys.

and actually with this in mind what is your current read of BRO?

[BROseidon]

-Which means that they want the day over. Now. Rather than later.

Do you think that scum have daytalk, because this sentence implies that you think they do.

[BROseidon]

atm i would want
venny, nicky, mala, probably bro still

So you think I've been hard bussing the mala-slot this whole game (I was literally the first or second person to suspect that slot), as well as bussing both scum-mates today?

wat.

[mastin2]

-Which means that they want the day over. Now. Rather than later.

Do you think that scum have daytalk, because this sentence implies that you think they do.

Nope! Quite the opposite, I firmly believe that they lack daytalk. Just because they can't talk to each other in a QT and SAY, "Hey, guys, this day needs to end quickly before we're royally screwed over", doesn't mean they can't individually come to that conclusion. (Or use in-thread cues to communicate the same. Which, by the way, I fully believe to be present--would have to double-check for surez, but they definitely seem like they're there with Andrius and Nacho.)

[BROseidon]

his case being shitty on me is a bit of an understatement

Really, because I have you as scum because of your interactions with the Rach wagon yesterday.

Here, let me pull up a few...

I catch Rach scum in Xenoblade and now when I think she's town in this game you guys think my skills on reading her are shit? LOL YOU GUYS FUNNY.

The amount of expectation you guys have for Rach in this game is retarded, HOW are you guys using this to justify your scumreads, its pathetic.

Thezmons #1430 is probably a nice example of why we should not be lynching Rachmaria

Just as bad as Mala's "lol PL" response to that post, which was an incredibly solid case against Rach.

- I caught Rach as scum in Xenoblade MAINLY with meta tells. I THINK I KNOW WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT.

- I caught Rach as scum in Xenoblade MAINLY with meta tells. I THINK I KNOW WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT.

Rach was acting more towny in Xenoblade if anything because she could scumhunt for the actual scumteam, and from what I've gathered it's a lack of real scumhunting that indicates scum-Rach normally.

In other words, this interaction reeks on multiple levels (because of the context of where you caught her last time, the fact that Rach flipped scum, and the fact that you, throughout all of these posts, never actually give any detail as to why Rach is town. You never articulate how any of her positions or posting quality indicated town interest to her. You instead tried to coast by on "I can read Rach well she's town trust me guys."

pedit: if you could pull up in-thread communications that would indicate that, I would much appreciate it. I would feel like that would have to be contingent on BnB scum, which disagrees with the fact that I find nick scummier right now and I think they're mutually-exclusive as scum.

[BROseidon]

Because I have this weird feeling that I'm completely on the wrong track in this game, and that at least two of my town reads are scum, but I don't know which ones.

So which of your scumreads are you rethinking, given that it's implicit that if you have a few town as scum you must have a few town as scum.

[BROseidon]

what i'm still trying to figure out is why the nick wagon stalled d1 when it was competing with the rm wagon (i have a couple theories regarding this, but they require me being wrong about a couple of my town reads) and whether the interactions with rm makes sense as scum-scum interactions (i'm currently thinking no)

Have you looked at Rach's interactions towards nick, or just nick's towards Rach?

[BROseidon]

If you consider the possibility that you're wrong and help me figure out what nick being town means for the rest of the game, then I will consider the possibility I'm currently over-thinking things.

I like the way you think. Can you stop scumreading me so we can work together on this now?

[mastin2]

By the way, Andrius remains wrong.

There's a difference between wanting nick dead and wanting nick dead

now, immediately, as in "should have happened five days ago"

. That's the difference between "in favor" and "against". For instance, me? Against--at the moment. Not because I think nick is town. Because I think ending the day immediately is a bad idea.

Thus the need for the clarification. I'm asking the people who haven't made it clear yet to clarify, and also those against it if it's because they think nick's town or (like me) they don't want the day to end, yet.

[BROseidon]

Venmar lynch is a shitty lynch for today. It's high risk and low reward and Venmar's actually been playing the game today, so I'd rather not risk a mislynch on him, esp. if he is PGO. In fact, I think calling out the validity of his claim is just going back to the start of D1, and I'd like to think we made some fucking progress from there when, y'know, we caught scum.

How the fuck is it high-risk? PGO is not strong.

[BROseidon]

I've been quiet mostly because it's pretty clear no one is planning on listening to what I have to say. I can't really find any real substantiated reasons for voting me, so there's not a hell a lot of debate to be done. Most of the people that were scumreading me were initially doing so pretty lightly (from what I could tell), and they're now voting for me because it's easier than explaining why they aren't, when faced with someone loud and town like B&B. Not a hell of a lot for me to do, really. If I scumread people that are popular scum reads it will be called sheeping or just trying to create a counter wagon, and if I scumread people that aren't popular lynch targets they'll just be ignored, so there's no real reason to bother scumhunting if all my hard work is going to go for nothing. Maybe i'm just tired and I'll have more to say in the morning, I don't know.

Compare this with what I've been posting today.

[zMuffinMan]

@bro

why do you think one of bnb/nick is scum, other than "because..."? i don't think i've seen you explain this, except that you may have said you don't think it's tvt at some point.

also none of those venmar quotes look like scum buddy quotes. maybe i'm weird in thinking this.

the only reason i began doubting my venmar-town read is because near the end of d1 he was fucking useless, pushing lynches that would

never

happen, even to the point where the deadline was looming and it was obvious they wouldn't happen.

the rm interactions i'm leaning town on.

So which of your scumreads are you rethinking

all of them

Have you looked at Rach's interactions towards nick, or just nick's towards Rach?

2966

Can you stop scumreading me so we can work together on this now?

i'll stop scumreading you when i stop scumreading you

[mastin2]

Oh, and BROseidon pushing for Venmar to be scum is a further indication that BROseidon is scum. (Who knows, at this rate, I might actually be wrong on nick and that it's Nacho/Andrius/Malakittens/BROseidon.) There is literally a 0% chance for Venmar to be scum. I'd lynch a cop innocent before I'd lynch Venmar.

[BROseidon]

WOah woah woah woah hold the fuck up.

I read my role card wrong.

I thought it said including factional ability

It says EXCLUDING factional ability.

Fuck. Sorry guys.

...and does this change your read on me at all?

pedit: Could you indicate why, because his interactions with the Rach wagon suck and saying on a high level "it's bad and scummy" does jack shit towards actually convincing me.

[BROseidon]

Like I literally just quoted 4 things that were horrible defenses of Rach that look like scum trying to discredit a wagon on a buddy.

[mastin2]

(Note, though, that 'might actually be wrong' != "reversed my read on". It just means the order has been shifted around a bit. Most likely to least likely, we've got:
Malakittens
Nachomamma8
BROseidon
nickthename
Andrius.

BROseidon and nickthename are largely interchangeable. Which means that, yes. Andrius remains right now, AT THE MOMENT, my pick for 'least-likely-to-flip-scum-of-these-five'.)