Marketplace Mafia III - Game Over

[Garuda]

Why?

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[Garuda]

I mean, the post I voted her for was pretty much the textbook Incompetent Scum Entrance. "Hi, there's lots of stuff going on, and instead of saying what my opinions are on any of this stuff, I'm going to be very vague and try to look helpful by offering to answer questions. Oh, look, here are two popular wagons. I guess they could both be scum, or they could both not be. I don't actually have any idea. But I'm still going to add my vote to the largest wagon because of 'reasons listed' and 'his posts and ISO.' Boy, I hope this lynch goes through quickly and I make it to Day Two without anyone noticing I exist." Her reaction to the flash wagon was also atrocious.

+1

Aside from emphasizing the hedging again, would also like to add that she hasn't come back to this thread at all to actually defend herself or explain anything which considering the circumstances is just lol

By the way, Mina, thoughts on what we should actually advertise? I want to get some things like doctor, bulletproof, and commuter up in this personally.

[morph the cat]

I mean, the post I voted her for was pretty much the textbook Incompetent Scum Entrance. "Hi, there's lots of stuff going on, and instead of saying what my opinions are on any of this stuff, I'm going to be very vague and try to look helpful by offering to answer questions. Oh, look, here are two popular wagons. I guess they could both be scum, or they could both not be. I don't actually have any idea. But I'm still going to add my vote to the largest wagon because of 'reasons listed' and 'his posts and ISO.' Boy, I hope this lynch goes through quickly and I make it to Day Two without anyone noticing I exist." Her reaction to the flash wagon was also atrocious.

+1

Aside from emphasizing the hedging again, would also like to add that she hasn't come back to this thread at all to actually defend herself or explain anything which considering the circumstances is just lol

By the way, Mina, thoughts on what we should actually advertise? I want to get some things like doctor, bulletproof, and commuter up in this personally.

We paid n1 ahead on doctor and watcher, so factor that into whatever otherwise needs done.

[ProHawk]

I mean, the post I voted her for was pretty much the textbook

Incompetent Scum Entrance.

new player to the game of mafia

FTFY

[PeregrineV]

Event: Gift Card x 2 and Accountant x 2 have been removed from the game due to low advertising.

This bothers me. It has to be a scum ability because these are two abilities that are very good, mechanically, for the town.

[PeregrineV]

Those wondering about Voided can also read Market 1 and Market 2 and compare with Market 3. He was in both of those, and was town.

[Pyrotechnics]

By the way, Mina, thoughts on what we should actually advertise? I want to get some things like doctor, bulletproof, and commuter up in this personally.

I'm not mina, but I think those things are good to advertise. Also, I was just realizing that the two items that get the lowest bids will be removed from the list.

List of not yet auctioned:

Abductor x 1
Accountant x 2
Auction Detective x 2
Bodyguard x 2
Bulletproof x 2
Commuter x 1
Coroner x 2
Doctor x 2
Federal Reserve Chairman x 1
Forensic Accountant x 2
Gift Card x 2
Governor x 1
Love Potion x 1
Market Analyst x 3
Messenger x 2
Night Kill x1
Ninja x 4
Roleblocker x 3
Self-Watch x 1
Tailor x 3
Tracker x 2
Vote Nullifier x 1
Wage Freeze x 1
Watcher x 1

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It might be good to pick a few of these and not have anything advertised on them so that the important ones don't get tossed aside and not able to reappear until night 3 or 4 when we start recycling. We could also put together a list of who should be doing some advertising so we make sure those things get advertised and not dropped off.

[Pyrotechnics]

I'm not sure if that's the same as your plan, or if the not-townies are a crucial new element.

Slumberparty had both townies and not-townies involved in transferring, so I think it's pretty much the same. Gather up a good chunk of townies, and have another (not necessarily the same size) chunk of non-townies transfer to them without specifying who. Said townies should probably also not claim just how much they got through transfers unless it's necessary to figure out if scum won an ability during an auction or if.

I may have to reread through the rules again, but I don't think there was something put in place to prevent us from having specific people buy specific things, and I also believe that it would be necessary to at least have cash claims from anyone who's not town (perhaps even from everyone, but like I outlined above it may not be a good idea for the group of townies to say just how much they got so scum don't know how many people transferred to who). I'm not a setup expert, but I think it's possible to have non-townies A.) have a set amount of cash after they claim how much they have be set aside for transfers, then B.) Have another set amount of cash they will use each night to advertise certain PRs. Next, each of these non-townies will be designated to buy certain items with the money they should have from the transfers; no specific amounts, but they should at least give some kind of minimum number ("I have at least $300" "I have at least $500", etc.) to work with. This kind of plan may not necessarily be in place for tonight as no one should really have over $150 unless they did absolutely nothing with their money, but it should work from D2 or D3 onward.

There might be a problem in how transferees can catch scum who give lower amounts than they're supposed to, but idk if that's a good tradeoff for limiting scum's ability to use that wiretap ability.

Voided this is what I was referring to when I said you were showing some early signs of coordination.

[Pyrotechnics]

P-edit: Voided, I feel like Seanald would have probably more of an attempt to be "helpful" as scum though? He certainly didn't have a problem trying to look pro-town in the last game as scum by attacking Tammy early despite a fast moving thread and then being apologetic when his attack backfired.

Get out of my head.

[PeregrineV]

I'm not mina, but I think those things are good to advertise. Also, I was just realizing that the two items that get the lowest bids will be removed from the list.

What does this mean? Example?

[PeregrineV]

Also what the hell, I advertised for austerity measures.

Why?

[morph the cat]

I'm not mina, but I think those things are good to advertise. Also, I was just realizing that the two items that get the lowest bids will be removed from the list.

What does this mean? Example?

7. At the end of every Night, the two abilities on the "Not Yet Auctioned" list with the least amount of advertising money will be removed from the game. If necessary, cumulative advertising will serve as a tiebreaker. If that is not sufficient, random.org will be used.

[BBmolla]

Why Voided over Hermy? Also, BBmolla, did you genuinely think I looked "nervous" when you voted for me? I'd have understood reading the post about bidding as fake, but nervous?

You seemed eccentric, which would imply nervousness.

[Pyrotechnics]

I wouldn't characterise voided as a strong player tammy, he was pretty easy to mislynch in black flag because he has the kind of wall of text style that I'm pretty sure no one reads.

Wait, I thought I got mislynched for more than that? I could've sworn I was wagoned on for, like, believing that Sixty was town when everyone else thought they were scum or something.

No. >_>

If that were the case we'd have lynched almost everyone as Empire and I were the only ones convinced they were scum. I just remember thinking you came across as pretty scummy overall, but can't exactly remember why.

And Faraday, I didn't mean strong player in the sense that he can avoid getting mislynched or always has correct scum reads (no offense voided) but strong in the sense of personality. It's been awhile since I've meta'd voided, but I don't remember him being the type of player that wouldn't stand up to someone in a relatively strong manner no matter his alignment. Whereas Mhork isn't that type as much, or at least from what I've read and remember. I could just see Mhork getting intimidated by a strong aggressive player and that's the type of variable I was trying to see if you were taking into account. He does stand up for himself but the language he uses isn't sometimes as strong (except when he gave the speech about you being an asshole, which was beautiful :p )

I was trying to see if you were looking below the surface or just construing someone as scum because they exhibited traditionally scummy behavior that could be exploited.

[Lost Butterfly]

Abductor x 1: More useful to town than scum. Decent, but I prefer the other protective roles on the list.
Auction Detective x 2: Very potluck, but has the potential correctly, gives you a 1/__ chance of getting a guilty if you hit scum (just ask if a player won Cop, Deadline, or NK on N0).
Bodyguard x 2: Useful for town, useless for scum. Good for someone scummy to pick up.
Bulletproof x 2: Useful for town, useless for scum. Good for one of the trusted town bloc players to pick up.
Commuter x 1: Meh since it's one-shot, and is situationally useful for scum.
Coroner x 2: Useful in conjunction with Auction Detective. Otherwise, not that useful.
Doctor x 2: Useful for town, useless for scum.
Federal Reserve Chairman x 1: Meh. Since there are more townies than scum, that means more money is going in town's hands than scum's. But the advantage isn't as meaningful knowing that scum can coordinate more effectively.
Forensic Accountant x 2: Like coroner, useful in tandem with Auction Detective, but there are much better abilities.
Governor x 1: Situationally useful for town, dangerous in the hands of scum.
Love Potion x 1: Really dangerous if scum get it in LYLO.
Market Analyst x 3: Meh (only situationally useful)
Messenger x 2: Mediocre--can be used for gambits in the hands of town or scum.
Ninja x 4: No (duh).
Roleblocker x 3: No because it's a red power, so scum have a secret advantage in bidding for it.
Self-Watch x 1: Meh.
Tailor x 3: No no no.
Tracker x 2: Yes, because in this set-up, it's easy to catch someone useful.
Vote Nullifier x 1: Antitown (but that didn't stop someone from advertising Vote Freeze).
Wage Freeze x 1: It's free money in the hands of town, so better than nothing, but not as powerful as some of the others.
Watcher x 1: Yes (watchers are a broken role).

[Lost Butterfly]

I'm on a bus and getting motion sickness from typing, so I'll break them into categories later.

[Pyrotechnics]

Love potion can't be used in 3p LyLo

[1baldeagle1]

Can we just please lynch Voided?

Also, should we try to advertise very good roles for tonight? Also, btw. Here's a table, cuz I'm bored.

Player	Advertise for N1
VoidedMafia
PeregrineV
Nero Cain
Seanald
guille2015
Lost Butterfly (a hydra of Faraday and Mina)
Garuda (a hydra of Empire and Nachomamma8)
Pyrotechnics (a hydra of Syryana and Tammy)
morph the cat (a hydra of Cabd and fferyllt)
BBmolla
Banakai
Harakiri (hydra of Natirasha and Sakura Hana)
uʍop ǝpısdn (a hydra of N and Quilford)
zMuffinMan
Hermy
ProHawk
Lord Mhork
Zdenek
1baldeagle1	Governor
DoctorPepper
Klick

Please respond ASAP.

[Zdenek]

@zdenek: I'm assuming two 'cause there was that whole 'left' hand mafia role. It was an epiphany when I figured out it could mean left is one and right is other. Until that clicked, I thought left hand was some sort of euphemism for communism or something. Plus anything more than two seems unbalanced because they can win together.

Then why are you trying to defend yourself with

I'm not scum. Also look at where the suspicion was when the deadline thing was popped. If I were scum, why on earth would I suddenly put a deadline hounding down especially with Lost Butterfly hounding me like he's got a guilty. The alternative is that the other scum team is trying to get me lynched, but since this is semi-multiball that implies that they want Lost Butterfly/BBMolla to get me strung up today. If they thought I were a possible scum ally, why would they do that? More likely they see an easy mislynch opportunity because Butterfly is tunneling me into oblivion.

[Zdenek]

Can we just please lynch Voided?

Also, should we try to advertise very good roles for tonight? Also, btw. Here's a table, cuz I'm bored.

Player	Advertise for N1
VoidedMafia
PeregrineV
Nero Cain
Seanald
guille2015
Lost Butterfly (a hydra of Faraday and Mina)
Garuda (a hydra of Empire and Nachomamma8)
Pyrotechnics (a hydra of Syryana and Tammy)
morph the cat (a hydra of Cabd and fferyllt)
BBmolla
Banakai
Harakiri (hydra of Natirasha and Sakura Hana)
uʍop ǝpısdn (a hydra of N and Quilford)
zMuffinMan
Hermy
ProHawk
Lord Mhork
Zdenek	Watcher
1baldeagle1	Governor
DoctorPepper
Klick

Please respond ASAP.

[Zdenek]

Lost Butterfly, I still want to know about your conversation with Magua.

I'd vote for Voided. I really dislike him talking about not being a strong player and then chastising people for their votes. It's just too incongruent.

[Lord Mhork]

I dont understand what your post is trying to say, zdenek

What items should we advertise for though?

[1baldeagle1]

I dont understand what your post is trying to say, zdenek

What items should we advertise for though?

The ones that help town quite a bit, so when they get recycled later in the game, we'll need them even more. So best roles should be advertised.

[Garuda]

Can we just please lynch Voided?

I'd rather lynch scum, thanks.

[Lord Mhork]

So I could advertise auction detective?