Marketplace Mafia III - Game Over

[PeregrineV]

Early day was a bit , but I'm passing that off to a bad/failed/weak reaction attempt. Other than light activity, the responses seem more town than scum. Some of the analysis I agree with, and we may have worked together to stump scum, but I'm still waiting for a response to that particular question.

New neighbor is busy, but has said they will return soon.

Wait, you made separate neighborhoods? Why the

hell

would you do that, especially if you think they're both town?

Have you never played mafia with me? I enjoy playing, and I like to think I don't suck, but just in case, I hedged my bets.

Didn't you think that the two neighbors might have wanted to try and get betters reads on each other too?

I have no qualms letting each of them know the others opinions.

[PeregrineV]

Pere if you're hinting what I think you are, we have this shit locked up.

I wish I was, but I don't think I am.

[Voidedmafia]

Maybe I've been hanging around Cabd too much, but I really don't like this advice.

So you'd like to explain why it is a bad idea to confirm that zdenek got two pro-scum igems like he claimed he did, ffery?

If zde/aces is town, we can be sure that scum don't have two abilities that could potentially screw us over later on, either through a wasted cop use or because a kill goes through a doc/bg protect, and while its unlikely that he'll ever get to buy nk for most/all of the game (i certainly don't have enough of a townread on them for that yet), he either permanently keeps them out of scum's hands if he stays alive, or forces them to waste an nk just to rob his grave the next night for those two abilities.

If he's scum, I suppose there is some benefit to being able to publicly say he's untargetable by investigations, but that also narrows the pool for whoever has cop, and there is always the chance that the protection is transferred around. They could just keep it on him, sure, but I doubt that zdenek would be the best person to keep such an ability on as scum.

[KingdomAces]

My reads right now are pretty much just gut.

I'm too tired to do any serious reading right now, but I'll make an effort to get some more reads with reasons out tomorrow.

[morph the cat]

Because you're fucking telling him to check his ISO before confirming the actions, voided. It smells like a scumfuck coaching another scumfuck that was gambiting.

I'd know, it's almsot exactly what i told my replacement when replaicng out in NY165.

[morph the cat]

UNVOTE:

This game has been mentioned elsewhere, and alignments and or roles of players still alive here have been revealed there, and by extension, to me. As such, I can no longer continue to play fairly with this knowledge.

I really really REALLY don't want to, but for the legitimacy of the game, I have to replace out.

To whoever replaces me, my ISO has your previous targets.

Stubbs is groupscum, and since I blocked him and only one kill, he's scum of some sort. Sheep ffery, she's probably right about everyone except for me. Good luck.

[JacobSavage]

1. I didn't quite realise how much I had.
2. Fuck you thats why.

[Voidedmafia]

I think getting up in the middle of the night to hammer is pretty damn town.

Either of you trying to point to actions you did and say "this is town! See how town I am!" does not make me believe you're any townier.

Also to morph's 2202 ( i think): meh, it'd be nice, but I have my doubts as to how a teaction test would help. Actually, claiming that zdenek told the truth would be a far townier option, anyways.

P: if you want a response, hold on. It's annoying to have to go through and reply a post at a time instead of in a block.

As a short answer for the time being: so what?

[morph the cat]

given it's a large game, scum lynches this early in the game most likely will involve bussing. tho keep in mind there's only 2 other people on his team (or mb 3)

now that you mention it, thinking about it from a money standpoint bussing might not be such a good idea. not sure atm >_<

It seems more likely that right-scum were on it.

There may be one leftie who was stuck with the bus job, but it seems more like the third (or other two) would've distanced or not been on it.

That makes mhork worse, imo. Sure, using medium on tammy is a town-looking move, but I really don't like his half-hearted support of the wagon and the fact that he never actually voted DP despite saying he agreed with it and should vote him.

He claimed to use it on Pyro, and you seem to believe him, but if you think he's scum, do you think he

ACTUALLY

mediumed Tammy when he could/would medium DrPepper?

We can confirm that he is able to talk to pyro by using infomation only ffery, myself, and Syryana would know thanks to our past hydra games together.

Mhork, please ask the syryana head of pyrotechnics to confirm his existance by asking him "Syr, what move does Estelle use in that one image before Yuri dies?"

2nd question: Which of ffery's kitchen utensils didn't come over on a slow boat from Tunisia?

For the record, failure to answer correctly will be taken as a scum claim.

Yep.

[ProHawk]

IMO we out just lose if Peregrine is scum.

I am pretty sure we are screwed anyway, as I am pretty positive at least two if not three scums are in our top 6 town pile, and were just given hoards of cash . My only townread in the pile just died.

Would I be banging my head against a wall if I wanted to lynch someone in the town pile?

[uʍop ǝpısdn]

Mhork, are these in order?

Town:

Voidedmafia
zmuffinman
Lost Butterfly
Pyromaniacs
morph the cat
1baldeagle1

[morph the cat]

IMO we out just lose if Peregrine is scum.

I am pretty sure we are screwed anyway, as I am pretty positive at least two if not three scums are in our top 6 town pile, and were just given hoards of cash . My only townread in the pile just died.

Would I be banging my head against a wall if I wanted to lynch someone in the town pile?

I guess it depends on who and what your case is.

I'm listening.

[PeregrineV]

IMO we out just lose if Peregrine is scum.

I am pretty sure we are screwed anyway, as I am pretty positive at least two if not three scums are in our top 6 town pile, and were just given hoards of cash . My only townread in the pile just died.

Would I be banging my head against a wall if I wanted to lynch someone in the town pile?

The plan.

These are people in my town pile:

Nero Cain
Klick
BaldEagle
Pyrotechnics
Mhork
DoctorPepper

Top 6 Town Consolidated

Lost Butterfly - 9 (morph, baldeagle, Voided, Harakiri, Mhork, pieguyn, Seanald, Dr Pepper, Peregrine)
morph - 8.5 (baldeagle, Lost Butterfly, Harakiri-.5, Mhork, pieguyn, Seanald, Dr Pepper, Peregrine, Nero)
Pyro - 8 (morph, baldeagle, Voided, Lost Butterfly, Muffin, pieguyn, Dr Pepper, Prohawk)
Pie - 6.5 (morph, baldeagle, Voided-.5, Harakiri, Muffin, Seanald, Nero)
Peregrine - 6 (morph, baldeagle, Voided, Lost Butterfly, Harakiri, Nero)
upside down - 5 (Lost Butterfly, Muffin, pieguyn, peregrine, Nero)

Prohawk - 4.5 (morph, baldeagle, Voided, Harakiri-.5, Nero)
Muffin - 4 (Harakiri, Mhork, Seanald, Dr Pepper)
Harakiri - 4 (morph, Voided, Lost Butterfly, Muffin, )
baldeagle - 4 (Harakiri, Mhork, pieguyn, Prohawk)
Lord Mhork - 4 (Lost Butterfly, Muffin, Dr Pepper, Prohawk)
zdenek - 3 (Muffin, pieguyn, Dr Pepper)
Voidedmafia - 1 (Mhork)
Garuda - 3 (Seanald, Peregrine, Nero)
banakai/Ghostly Penguin - 1.5 (Voided-.5, Peregrine)
Nero - 2 (Seanald, Prohawk)
Klick - 1 (Prohawk)
Dr Pepper - 1 (Prohawk)

Just so I can compare and grasp what you are saying.

You think there are 2-3 scum in me, morph, Lost, updsiedown, and Pieguyn, while there is 1 scum in your townreads?

[Voidedmafia]

Are we full-claiming amounts we spent and roles we have, or just WHAT we bid on last night?

Whoever got NK and BP should probably do the former. The rest can do the latter, I think.

Why would BP claim?

Why did BP go for far more than the nk did? Bp was bought for $191. Nk, $76. One scumteam, maybe both was/were so scared of dying to the n3 nk I guess they reasoned was already out of their hands (which I think does a little toward thinking the majority of the Five are town) that they didn't care for the n2 nk they were more sure of obtaining instead of contesting for it. If one of the six bid on it and another managed to win the nk as well (assuming it wasn't pyro, anyways), then we just stole their chance of killing another townie AND prevented them from having any chance of protection against any nks we do have for at least one night, maybe more.

And let's say that one team won it and the winner claims such. That doesn't protect them from a lynch, only from an nk. Unless that person is the one person/two people in the Five (I don't believe there's any more that two non-town in there, if there are any), how does it keep him or her of the lynch list?

[morph the cat]

Look at the winning bid for watcher the previous night as well. That's what ffery and I were hinting at. It points to scum being VERY afraid of watcher having a shortlist to find their nightkill in.

[uʍop ǝpısdn]

Are we full-claiming amounts we spent and roles we have, or just WHAT we bid on last night?

Whoever got NK and BP should probably do the former. The rest can do the latter, I think.

Why would BP claim?

Why did BP go for far more than the nk did? Bp was bought for $191. Nk, $76. One scumteam, maybe both was/were so scared of dying to the n3 nk I guess they reasoned was already out of their hands (which I think does a little toward thinking the majority of the Five are town) that they didn't care for the n2 nk they were more sure of obtaining instead of contesting for it. If one of the six bid on it and another managed to win the nk as well (assuming it wasn't pyro, anyways), then we just stole their chance of killing another townie AND prevented them from having any chance of protection against any nks we do have for at least one night, maybe more.

And let's say that one team won it and the winner claims such. That doesn't protect them from a lynch, only from an nk. Unless that person is the one person/two people in the Five (I don't believe there's any more that two non-town in there, if there are any), how does it keep him or her of the lynch list?

I don't follow. Bulletproof stops you from being killed at night.

[ProHawk]

while there is 1 scum in your townreads?

There was one scum in my townreads

[PeregrineV]

while there is 1 scum in your townreads?

There was one scum in my townreads

You think there are 2-3 scum in me, morph, Lost, updsiedown, and Pieguyn?

[Voidedmafia]

What does DP's flip do to any of your reads?

Are you deliberately asking stupid questions now or what?

Just because it's an obvious question doesn't make it a stupid one. Why are you so quick to discredit my questions?

P: yes, ud, it does. So why keep it secret?

[pieguyn]

Yes, I have Hitman and Investigative Immunity.

Something about Upside just seemed off to me, and PV/Pieguyn pretty much seemed non-existent. I do have townreads on the other two though.

Among everyone else, Eagle's confusion seemed genuine enough, and I think I remember thinking that Gaurda/Harakiri were fairly town. I don't have any scumreads though, because I don't get scumreads.

PEdit: I don't see any possible harm in saying what Zd already said, and I don't know why I forgot to mention reads earlier. How could it be bad advice?

I didn't exist until page 58 so ofc I seemed non-existent :>

[Lord Mhork]

First off I would have told you to fuck off with the questions if Tammy hadn't already answered with star stroke and tagine.

Also apparently syryana thinks this is cheating. Frankly I just feel like this is stupid. I mediumed them. It happened. They're in a QT with me right now.

[Lord Mhork]

Also Tammy thinks this is fake and for show.

Why the hell are you doubting my claim? Why would I be lying?

[morph the cat]

Also Tammy thinks this is fake and for show.

Why the hell are you doubting my claim? Why would I be lying?

Yeah well you three can get over it. Hardly cheating to use stuff only they'd know. Or are player-targeted crumbs cheating too now?

Gambiting a dead flipped town player's contact is absolutely somehting that is doable. We bent nacho-syr's reads as morph the cat scum in mafia xenologue. Confirming it is actually them behind there is important enough.

[morph the cat]

It also confirms they trust you enough to confirm themselves by correctly answering that question.

[Voidedmafia]

He claimed to use it on Pyro, and you seem to believe him, but if you think he's scum, do you think he

ACTUALLY

mediumed Tammy when he could/would medium DrPepper?

I would medium pyro over DP if I was scum, unless he happens to be more active in the scum qt than in the thread. So yes, I think the claim is legit enough.

Besides, saying he medium'd pyro gives him a chance at towncred for doing so. I just don't think its more cred than what I suspect from how he dealt with the DP wagon as it hovered at L-1 or so.

P: that seems like a strange reaction from Tammy. I don't see why he'd be so reluctant to confirm that it is indeed them that mhork medium'd.