Mini 1515: Touhou Imperishable Night (Game Over)

[Mac]

why the fuck have you claimed

[waynegg]

Hey wayne, you're not doing something I associate with town you. Do you know what it is? And if you do, why aren't you doing it this game?

what do you hope to achieve with this line of questioning? scum-wayne to clock he's not doing it and start doing it so you townread him?

Well, see, the last time he said something like that to me he wanted me to play bait to his fishing excursion. I resisted then not knowing what he was on about. This time I hop right on and wigglewigglewiggle and he abandons his rod. Looks like the bait caught the fisherman this time.

VOTE: Morph

[zMuffinMan]

what do you thinks going to happen, muffin?

i dunno. my first thought was scum could have a flavour vig (similar to con mafia) or flavour vanillariser (some way of partially or fully nullifying roles based on flavour) or some other way to gain an advantage by knowing role flavour (e.g. unable to vote, or hated, or something).

in any case, i don't think anyone should be flavour claiming this game.

also that only refers to flavour claims, so im sure claiming will be fine.

*shrug* i'd prefer no claim from pieguy either way, unless he's being run up.


@wayne,

why did you feel pressured to claim at L-3?

[waynegg]

why the fuck have you claimed

I'm at L-3, about to leave for work, and everyone believes I'm an open book for cabd. I was expecting a quick lynch before I got off work to say anything else as a result. Besides, I feel pretty good someone will have my back.

[zMuffinMan]

Unvote
Vote: mafiaSSK

[waynegg]

And whats it called when you go on about how bad someone that's voting for you stinks at this game and then use that as your reasoning for voting them? I forgot...

how come this doesn't count as interacting with a scumread?

where do you draw the line about "interacting"? 0.0

Answering their questions and giving them reasons to refute. What you quoted is toying with someone. Completely different.

how do you develop your reads if you don't interact with them, and instead "toy with them" and drive them into rage? muffin's rage feels town ftr bcuz I feel like you're not giving him a chance and can understand where he's coming from.

In my own twisted ways that nobody understands so it isn't worth trying to explain yet again. I agree on Muffin though, as you should have been able to pick up the moment I started interacting with him.

[Mac]

Well, see, the last time he said something like that to me he wanted me to play bait to his fishing excursion. I resisted then not knowing what he was on about. This time I hop right on and wigglewigglewiggle and he abandons his rod. Looks like the bait caught the fisherman this time.

VOTE: Morph

interesting theory. how come you have just taken up on it though when it happened 300 posts ago?

as far as i can tell you have been reading morph as town, or at least interacting with them, then as soon as i've brought this up you are all over them?

[Mac]

what do you thinks going to happen, muffin?

i dunno. my first thought was scum could have a flavour vig (similar to con mafia) or flavour vanillariser (some way of partially or fully nullifying roles based on flavour) or some other way to gain an advantage by knowing role flavour (e.g. unable to vote, or hated, or something).

in any case, i don't think anyone should be flavour claiming this game.

also that only refers to flavour claims, so im sure claiming will be fine.

*shrug* i'd prefer no claim from pieguy either way, unless he's being run up.


@wayne,

why did you feel pressured to claim at L-3?

yeah i feel pretty similar about flavour claims. ruls state "no guarantee about the normality of roles" so yeah I imagine there's gonna be some freaky flavour mechanic.

[waynegg]

Well, if I jumped on it 300 posts ago it would have shown nothing about cabd, now would it have. I couldn't very well say he'd abandoned me the moment he threw me into the water.

[Mac]

And whats it called when you go on about how bad someone that's voting for you stinks at this game and then use that as your reasoning for voting them? I forgot...

how come this doesn't count as interacting with a scumread?

where do you draw the line about "interacting"? 0.0

Answering their questions and giving them reasons to refute. What you quoted is toying with someone. Completely different.

how do you develop your reads if you don't interact with them, and instead "toy with them" and drive them into rage? muffin's rage feels town ftr bcuz I feel like you're not giving him a chance and can understand where he's coming from.

In my own twisted ways that nobody understands so it isn't worth trying to explain yet again. I agree on Muffin though, as you should have been able to pick up the moment I started interacting with him.

meh. you're quite the mindfuck, i'm not gonna lie. im struggling like fuck to read you in this game but i feel you might be town. i don't remember you being so stubborn in xeno though, like the arguments with muffin didn't happen once in xeno that i can remember. it puzzles me.

[waynegg]

But that's still nothing new from me really. Have I been the same in any two games you've played with me?

[zMuffinMan]

hey morph,

what do you current reads look like?

it feels like you guys have been taking a back seat approach to this game and sort of going with the flow for most of it

i'm not seeing any sort of strong questioning/stances i'm used to seeing from you

[morph the cat]

hey morph,

what do you current reads look like?

it feels like you guys have been taking a back seat approach to this game and sort of going with the flow for most of it

i'm not seeing any sort of strong questioning/stances i'm used to seeing from you

I've been mostly in observation mode watching waynegg and thezmon argue over the last day. They both pinged pretty hard early on, but the way they tangled made me think maybe only one is scum.

I'm going to let Cabd explain what he sees in Wayne's play. I'm really surprised Wayne claim under so little pressure if he's actually town.

UNVOTE

until Cabd and I have a chance to talk about this morning's posts.

[Mac]

But that's still nothing new from me really. Have I been the same in any two games you've played with me?

probably not. i dont really remember.

[waynegg]

hey morph,

what do you current reads look like?

it feels like you guys have been taking a back seat approach to this game and sort of going with the flow for most of it

i'm not seeing any sort of strong questioning/stances i'm used to seeing from you

I've been mostly in observation mode watching waynegg and thezmon argue over the last day. They both pinged pretty hard early on, but the way they tangled made me think maybe only one is scum.

I'm going to let Cabd explain what he sees in Wayne's play. I'm really surprised Wayne claim under so little pressure if he's actually town.

UNVOTE

until Cabd and I have a chance to talk about this morning's posts.

Then why UNVOTE? Oh yeah...

[waynegg]

And yo ho ho! Off to work I go. You guys have fun!

[Mac]

Unvote
Vote: mafiaSSK

what makes you think SSK is scum rather than lazytown/can't keep uptown?

[zMuffinMan]

I'm really surprised Wayne claim under so little pressure if he's actually town.

the explanation in #653 kinda, sorta makes sense if you squint really hard.

i'm nowhere near sold on him being town, but i don't really want to deal with him today.

what makes you think SSK is scum rather than lazytown/can't keep uptown?

i'm kinda poeing from town reads atm, and i really didn't like his second post - the only question he asks is a question to varsoon that woulda been answered if he'd actually read anything - felt really out of place.

[morph the cat]

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Hey wayne, you're not doing something I associate with town you. Do you know what it is? And if you do, why aren't you doing it this game?

what do you hope to achieve with this line of questioning? scum-wayne to clock he's not doing it and start doing it so you townread him?

Among other things, nerves is what Cabd hoped to achieve. I think he succeeded.

@morph

3. Mac-Mac's one post was really lame and not anything readable, really. ffery likes this one post more than cabd does.

i dunno if this talks about the wall i made or not. if it does, i agree. does it worry you as much as it does me (see above) ghostlin townreading me for it?

thinking zmon is town. i liked the "i dont see what could've changed your stance on me" - the kinda town paranoia im feeling about ghosty right about now.

I still feel like there's some oddness to the way thezmon words stuff, and it worries me a little. I'm going to find some time to read other thezmon games today or tomorrow.

So what did you think about empking's rings mechanic, pie? Do you think town could have won?

And what did you think about vox's mechanics?

Okay, how about the mechanic in achievement unlocked? What were your thoughts about that?

seriously, you better have a point with this.

Hear that kids? That's the sound of scum that slipped.

.............................

really. this sucks, and I expect better from you cabd(?) - how many times does a fucking scumslip result in a scumlynch? (-50 points for whomever quotes varsoon in that mini game) having been lynched for a scumslip as town, you should probably try harder than that.

oh yeah. lolreactiontest.

pie's reaction... strange. not really telling cus i think it could come from either scum/roled town, which i believe is what he's claiming. MOVING SWIFTLY ON.

pie displayed some fairly detailed knowledge of the LoTR game mechanics. Cabd questioned first to see if pie really did know stuff about the mechanics.

He wondered if pie had done some pre-game meta research on the players, which was what the other game mechanics questions were about. If this was general research on players, he could be expected to know a little about the unusual mechanics in some other games that players in this game have recently played.

That wasn't the case. So pie's knowledge of one game in particular looked more suspicious, like he might know about the game from discussion with a scumbuddy. That was the point of the questions, and that's the reason why we voted him.

[zMuffinMan]

btw i'm pretty sure TNE is town here. or at least his play here is totally unlike the play from when i was scum with him.

[morph the cat]

why the fuck have you claimed

I'm at L-3, about to leave for work, and everyone believes I'm an open book for cabd. I was expecting a quick lynch before I got off work to say anything else as a result. Besides, I feel pretty good someone will have my back.

If you think that I would stand by and let a quick lynch go through given the current game state, then you don't know a thing about my game.

[zMuffinMan]

pie displayed some fairly detailed knowledge of the LoTR game mechanics.

er btw this is wrong. he didn't display anything outside of what was probably a guess from reading the rules of the setup, and he was wrong about the mechanic for the most part.

i skimmed over the conversation earlier so i didn't notice it before, but yeah, this is plain wrong.

[BROseidon]

@BROs: can you give more examples of craziness that doesn't seem faked?

Biggest one that comes to mind is Xenoblade; it's super long, anywayshere's the game for your reading pleasure.

[BROseidon]

you really think asking for a cop claim is something he'd find difficult to do as scum? this is what made you change your mind about him?

I find it difficult to believe that he wouldn't do something more complex to make us go, "OMG, that's townVarsoon's craziness."

[BROseidon]

So even if I'm off here on who I think is scum(or who I'm saying I think is scum anyhow) it would be more indicative of town meta than scum meta, yes?

I don't think the abrasivity is indicative of scumhunting. I think it's indicative of getting people off his back, which is more of a scum thing than a town thing.