In post 1799, BBmolla wrote:It's worth noting that me and Bulba have a history.
Newbie 1333 - ScumBulba was attacking me all game, his buddy (who I was chummy with) said he was town and to ignore him. At the end it was between him and a lurker and I chose him to win. NY 163 - TownBulba and TownDGB had a stupid ass back and forth that wouldn't end. I was pretty sure Bulba was town, but needed DGB to stop derping. So me and nacho made a deal, we lynch Bulba, she lynches the person we wanted (who actually was scum)
There's some others but these are the notables, feel free to look through them.
Initially I thought this was Bulba from Newbie 1333 with shitty logic and I felt like he wasn't making quite the presence TownBulba did.
But then I reread TownBulba's play in the nightless and thought it matched up pretty well here and my read flipped.
Make any sense?
Hey that's great, now maybe you might want to stop fence sitting on the matters at hand and come up with reads... maybe?
I was asked to reread you and f16 bbmolla. I chose you due to confbias on f16 and given the deadline I thought I would only get time for casing you, which looks correct.
Do this isn't an ever use in questioning you, I still even after two days of assessment have you on a town lean, but you have twice now given the throwaway line of 'play wise minions is scum', so please do the case against me as I requested so if it is toog being HoH he has an informed decision on the best two nominees.
I did also ask f16 and toog to do cases, in this situation it would be to case each other, but still only me reading back at present.
I no longer think Minions is scum. I think it is between BBMolla and Toogeloo. I was wondering why Molla wouldn't kill you guys if he was scum but there is always the chance that Molla himself is the GF. Your case convinced me mostly. I know you said you had a town lean but BBMolla did throw out those scum suspects out of nowhere. It was too good to be true. He was too sure in those reads. It matches his other games where he bussed his scumteam pretty closely. I still don't get why he would kill Imperium though and it is something I'll have to look into.
My last post was actually really good. I reconsider my position and open my mind to the possibility that Molla may be scum. Good town do that. You calling my last post bad is bad.
In post 921, BBmolla wrote:Minions or Rach are probably who we should be putting up today imo. Minions over Rach if Imperium has some other that they want to throw in the fray.
One of Minions and Rach is scum, probably Minions because of Gnomeos MASSIVE turnaround on him.
In post 198, Gnomeo wrote:4. Minions (Hydra): Leaning town. I like his push on Titus.
In post 543, Gnomeo wrote:Minions: Bulbazak tries linking us together. Which means he's probably Bulbazak's scumbuddy.
Also, fairly certain Peace replaced out cause he was scum and knew they were boned. And I'm just about going to blacklist him for that.
Also, Peace doesn't like mentioning his buddies, as noted from his multiple mentions of me, zero mention of Gnomeo, 1 mention of Rach, zero mentions of Minions.
In post 1024, Minions wrote:Ok guys, apologies for the lack of input from our side if things, of the [redacted] members in the team I seem to be the only one no either MIA or V/LA.
Some great points have been made, I am particularly keen to read through F16s excellent breakdown of everyone left. I have skimmed it at present and while I disagree with the positions of one or two I like the effort of input.
I will also look at the three options to vote for, not interested in adding further names to the list and I quite like all three choices as likely town players anyway.
Will read over them, see who is thinking along the most dkmsr lines to me, and go from there.
~ Jerry
Are you even trying
Like, that couldn't be any more non-commital and scummy, jesus
In post 1027, Minions wrote:As the only person posting you have seen my reads and comments.
I said the previous day I thought rachmarie was scummy. That needs addressing against a strong belief this day phase that desp and toog have both slipped. Do where am I non committal exactly bbmolla?
I said all three up for HoH are good reads as town. So that's already three town calls and three potential scum calls.
Next time you want to throw a little tantrum please make sure it's on correct information
~ Jerry
Okay
Convince me Rach is scum and worth lynching above everyone else. Go.
In post 1096, BBmolla wrote:Minions is probably scum because I doubt any town have power.
That's all I can find for your case on me bbmolla.
Suspicions on day 3 which you only begin to substantiate when you say it's because of gnomeos turnaround on me... Something never once mentioned by you on day 2 btw.
You then suspect me for no reads which was a lie as I proved and you backed down on, then I was scum because I revealed I had a cop ability...
That's not my play, which is what you claim now to be calling me potential scum over. Do saying the case was there before to cause me to claim isn't correct, a delayed gnomeo action review and a wrong interpretation that I had no reads was the whole case against me.
F16, you auto cleared bbmolla based on his play. That suggested to me you read over his posts, but your opinion has flipped from certainty as town to the most likely last scum... Based on your top suspects assessment of his posts?
Even you need to see why toog would call that bad, it's a 180 out of nowhere and generally feels opportunistic. I'm trying hard to keep an open mind about things but you already know I think you are scum do posts like this compound it.
Scum don't do "180s out of nowhere." That's a pretty useless "scumtell." Probably a worse one than "buddying." As scum, I'd probably just vote him right now and ask him not to put me up. Scum have no reason to change their minds, much less do "180s." If you are town, you have a very narrow expectation of what are town behaviors and scum behaviors.
My top suspects assessment of Molla's posts read very townish. Once my top suspect is no longer a suspect, the other two people become suspect. I didn't "auto-clear" him. I thought his play was the most townish.
In post 1720, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:Considering the game is still going on, we know that scum have at the most 3 kills. They can't have had 4 because then they would have already won by killing two of us.
So, with 3 kills, how does a 2X cop make any sense? Only with there being a GF. I am still convinced that you are town, BBMolla. The scum are among Toog and Minions but I am not sure who it is.
In post 1722, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:The fact that scum didn't kill Minions shows that either 1) Minions is scum, or 2) Scum weren't afraid of Minion's abilities. Both point towards one of Toog/Minions being scum. I lean towards Minons because the decision to investigate Toog didn't come from scum at all. I think it is too much of a co-incidence to investigate the GF. Rather, I believe that the abilities that scum have are the abilities that Minions has been given.
I fully 100% trust that you are town. If you are perceptive enough to realize that I am town as well, we can win the game together.
In post 1759, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:Where did I assume Molla is the last scum? My suspect list is (Scum) Minions >>>>> Toog >>>>> Molla (Town)
If it isn't you, I'd say it is more likely Toog than Molla.
I think the most telling is "I fully 100% trust that your are town"...
I call that auto clearing, no idea what you consider auto clearing.
And toog pointed out the motivation. You backed bbmolla to side with you, he sat on the fence. So instead of casing him yourself or assessing toog like I asked you continue to point the finger of suspicion, this time on your strongest town read.
While I agree it looks blatant you have seemed chaotic under pressure of suspicion, so why wouldn't I read potential panic play into your actions?
Day three of the bbmolla analysis due tonight btw, when I'm not phone posting.
BBmolla opens with his night vote again. Again he has voted for the guy lynched and again its a scum goon player.
An interaction with bulba where he dismisses a comment about a past game where he was very good scum, and offers to be a later policy lynch due to this (?).
#920 is a bit of clarity on the certainty bbmolla had that it was iceguy who was the liar on the day 2 wagon analysis. I still cant get my head around how he was so certain two now known scum players were the choice for the liar, and this retrospective pointing to why it was him now he has flipped kind of red flags the certainty bbmolla had on day2.
I have already mentioned what went down with bbmolla next, but i will summarise that bbmolla begins a further push on rachmarie and points suspicion at us. He places us ABOVE rachmarie in terms of most suspicion, yet has not mentioned us before this point (although bulbazak had been pushing on us on and off) and gives no reason to this sudden belief.
He autoclears bulba at the same time. Even goes as far as to place him and imperium together as keeping alive for a guaranteed win.
Finally explains his reason for making us number 1 suspect is because of actions taken by gnomeo on day 1... this is now day 3 and gnomeo has been known as scum since the flip from night 1.
Makes a meta theory about PB that clears him as town and further pushes us and rachmarie as scum.
Again makes a scenario whereby f16 and rachmarie are scum together, dismisses it as silly and calls us scum again... based only on an action by gnomeo 2 days previous and a meta theory on PB.
Makes comments that toog is a town read, and that he would vote for f16 over desperado. Accuses us of having made no reads which i immediately point to as wrong and he backs off that line of accusation.
Demands we prove rachmarie is scum and should be lynched above all others... Even though he has had rachmarie as a scum read consistently for 2 day phases, has her as the most likely scum if we aren’t and has provided a theory on how rachmarie would link to f16... red flag here.
When we reveal our role bbmolla dismisses us as being scum because town wouldn’t have a PR. Which if i briefly flip to our current day is the reason why he has us as potential town now... Again a red flag. Especially since he feels the need to then clarify that this is just one of several reasons we are scum, yet has only listed two and they are conveniently only actions taken by people who have been revealed as scum.
A post that feels paranoid when we comment that bbmollas reaction is interesting.
Ducks out of leading the conversatrion and pushes as he reverts to sheeping Imperium.
Accuses our claim of being a lie (which we know it isn’t now). The tone is aggressive and attempts to paint us as clear scum through it. I don’t see a town reaction when we have 2 scum dead and a cop claim made to be one of anger, yet thats clearly what 1132 is in tone.
And to a massive red flag post. An aggressive demand to be investigated (1133). This follows immediately AFTER accusing us of lying. This whole section is very scummy to me, especially when added to the recent comments from BBmolla that he never once pushed to be investigated so couldn’t be a godfather (as he would have requested investigation if a GF). He seems to have forgotten about 1133, because he went from calling us a liar to believing we can cop and demanding he is proven as town... MASSIVE red flag.
Requests imperium be put to L-2/L-1 while we wait for them to return. Reaches out to us that having a cop would make the game broken.
#1174 – wow. Wants us to investigate imperium and bbmolla and then lynch everyone else to win.
Runs through scenarios where he fearmongers multiple kills and tries to discredit us further.
Continues to buddy with imperium (well, nacho actually) while pressing for f16 to be investigated now. Is put out that imperium is town reading F16 after he got the impression imperium wasn’t.
Imperium dies shortly after we discuss us investigating bbmolla and imperium declare this a no go idea. Timing wise it looks bad for us, but also conveniently followed after a very heavy buddying session from bbmolla. Paranoia hat on says this in itself is convenient timing.
The reaction to the kill is good. No two ways about it, i read it even now as a good response that seems genuine. And from this there is a consistency to his talking to us as if he is townreading us now, but what doesn’t make sense is he already speculated scum having more than one kill and he already was treating us as though he believed we could cop.
Points out that the death on imperium makes no sense if he was scum... i don’t like this meta push because it is explainable by the simple fact he was buddying hard to imperium, and then uses imperiums death as proof he is town. WIFOM.
Agrees with the plan to lynch one of desp and toasty and investigate the other... both are town we subsequently know, but thats null as none of us knew that at the time.
Takes charge of the game again, pressing for choices for HoH, lynches and investigations, which with the 20 hour deadline at that point is again not indicative of either alignment.
Defends us to bulbazak, points out toog will not be put up today.
Changes mind on toog being put up as proof of our ability. Bbmolla is now very much in the position of being the next HoH.
And finishes the day with a plan in place for who to investigate and who to lynch.
The town tells of the first two days have not been as present here and there is a lot of concerning actions on day 3 from BBmolla. Its hard for me to not have bias here because where he seems to lose the plot a bit is centred around his push on me. But with virtually no case and only attempts at associative tells to players we now know to be scum. But its when we reveal we have a copping ability he seems to lose his control, its very noticeable in the language and the tone, almost a panic sets in. He steps away from prominence in the play and declares he will sheep imperium, buddies hard on imperium while firstly discrediting us and then demanding he be investigated (about three times).
Imperium dies and this swings the HoH nomination in his favour and he returns to commanding the plan for the day.
If i was to base a read only on day 3 BBmolla would be a scum lean. Day 1 and day 2 also had their moments including the scum reads out of nowhere and the flip of read on bulbazak who we now know to be scum even though bulbazak was his top scum read previously.
Day 4 will be done if i get a chance. But toog i think you really need to do that F16 analysis, because regardless of TERRIBLE play on this day i am starting to wonder if he might be town afterall.
In post 1816, Minions wrote:But toog i think you really need to do that F16 analysis, because regardless of TERRIBLE play on this day i am starting to wonder if he might be town afterall.
He is. I just wanted you to do the iso's so you could see what I was starting to see so you didn't get all tunnelly on F-16. If you look at Blackberry and F-16's Day 1 posts in particular there are tons of town tells in there.
F-16 has just been posting terribly today. BBmolla is the last scum.
I'm not though. My play doesn't make sense with it either. Why have strong reads all game and then suddenly have nothing (and apparently choose to make up nothing) when I've about won?
I realized something in the shower though.
F-16 is the scum
And he's fucking amazing scum
Because he knew was fucked unless he did something, so he decided to cast doubt on the confirmed cop and the cop innocent. Let me repeat that. CONFIRM COP AND COP INNOCENT. And it worked.
But that's not all. He also makes his life even harder by insisting I'm nearly confirmed town. Assumedly to keep me for the last lynch?
So there. Shower logic says go F-16. I know it's late, but better late than after you mislynch me.
I just can't see Minions being scum with all that meticulous analysis. I think whichever of you are scum are the GF since Toog showed up inno and you asked to be investigated. I am leaning towards it being you. I am shell-shocked at how good you are at this game and I am generally good scumhunter too, so this is doubly shocking... but I just can't see how it is not you.
In post 1287, Toogeloo wrote:I'd actually rather be nominated tonight than later if we're gonna do this at all. Have Minions scan me tonight and then I can gloat tomorrow. Put me against your biggest scum read molla.
In post 1288, Toogeloo wrote:I no longer have the security blanket of Imperium talking sense into people, and have at least 4 people who want me nominated. I am a good nominee to be scanned and prove Minions one way or another.
