Marketplace Mafia III - Game Over

[BBmolla]

Kingdom or Voided idc which one.

[BBmolla]

And I saw LB's post about "LOOK AT THIS, VOIDED CANT BE SCUM BECAUSE OF THESE POSTS" and was unconvinced

[Nero Cain]

Also, he's talking about himself and Nero as distractions who have to be dealt with, which is not a PoV that would come naturally to scum. He seems very accepting of his own demise and eager to help the town

I very much disagree. He's dodged two lynches. He's deff going to die long before lylo. It makes plenty of scum sense to suggest that the town wastes two days and quick lynches us. Assuming that scum gets a NK each night, that's three dead townies and no hunting for the remaining 4-6 scum. I mean, what would you do if you were scum that's sure to die?

EBWOP: Nero, can I borrow that chainsaw gif. We're going to need it.

yea

In post 3216, Nero Cain wrote:Other than getting an answer from why you hadn't looked at the DP wagon, I put a little force behind it to see what your reaction would be. You just dodged the question by whining about the accusation. I HIGHLY doubt you were on DP's team 'cause he was a CW to you. So why were you not looking at the DP wagon?

I told you already, it was not (and is not) my priority to figure that out. Nor am I going to look at it to figure it out now for your peace of mind. If you can't accept that as an answer then that's not my problem.

IF you were town it should be. I mean, scum flips, I don't understand why you as town would not make that a priority. Though I'm pretty convinced you are scum so w/e keep dodging.

[zMuffinMan]

Muffin lynch molla or eagle with me. Or even better Prohawk.

not eagle today, i think

you think nero is town?

[Voidedmafia]

Gratifying (screw you its a wagon on me I can interject if I want)

Even so, its disingenuous to not include yourself for D3, as we both were in the running to be lynched, and I believe the same is true for D2. Also, the number of people calling me town those days was still small. I suppose you could argue that two of the Big Town those days had me as stown (or at least LB did), but that was only one or two out of few. Resistance to your wagon has been a bit more numerous, hasn't it?

Pedit: ...why if I'm town and not if I'm scum?

P2: ...*sigh* okay, if you just can't accept that its not something I intend on looking at its your own damn fault. And fuck you I'm not dodging the damn question. I don't know because I haven't looked and I don't care to look. That's your damn answer so shove your "loldodging" accusations back down your mouth.

Also, hara, when'd you start not-scumreading/townreading me again? I don't recall you having a townread on me.

[BBmolla]

Eagle seems town, just dumb

[Garuda]

Sorry for obnoxiousness, iPad posting.

I did Lost Butterfly night one. I'm pretty sure I said that at some point earlier.

Other question was do you want to lynch kingdom aces with me?

[Nero Cain]

wait, you're using a wagon on a SCUM player as evidence of resistance to a voided wagon?

yes.

There are two team, scum haven't hooked up unless PV is scum.

So its completely reasonable to suggest that scum would have countered to DP thinkin' he would have been a mislynch.

What's your PV read

[Garuda]

VOTE: BBMolla

Why? We've let Nero Cain, Seanald and others get away with stupid advertisements. I think we've established enough precedent that we're fine to allow people to advertise & get these shit-tier abilities and no one will bat an eye.

--We didn't advertise last night, but we sadly didn't win shit either. I hate it and it sucks--

Where is this coming from and don't you think town might do weird things? Seanald Seanald Seanald Seanald.

[Nero Cain]

Muffin lynch molla or eagle with me. Or even better Prohawk.

not eagle today, i think

you think nero is town?

This is pretty funny coming from a guy that claims there's no resistance to a Voided lynch but it trying to drum up support for a non-voided lynch.

[Nero Cain]

Eagle seems town, just dumb

The only think that bothers me out Eagle is his avoiding my question. If we are again not lynching Voided and not lynching Muffin then I'd be ok with a KA lynch.

[Nero Cain]

Eagle seems town, just dumb

The only think that bothers me out Eagle is his avoiding my question. If we are again not lynching Voided and not lynching Muffin then I'd be ok with a KA lynch.

[Garuda]

Why am I currently the leading wagon even though Mhork's 2676 is the closest thing

anyone

has given for reasons so far? It's kind of hard to tell who is being opportunistic when it seems like every single vote is unexplained.

Your predecessor was originally cleared as town because of the investigative immunity/hit man business. Then he did absolutely nothing else ever. Your current posting has been what pretty much amounts to perpetual catchup mode and no effort to make a push on any wagon at all and it doesn't exactly inspire confidence.

[zMuffinMan]

What's your PV read

town

So its completely reasonable to suggest that scum would have countered to DP thinkin' he would have been a mislynch.

just to be clear, you think the DP and seanald lynches were

both

counterwagons to voided? i'm going to assume you think i'm the scum among the players pushing the DP wagon, but who do you think is scum among the players pushing the seanald one? because neither voided nor i pushed that and mhork was late on that one.

This is pretty funny coming from a guy that claims there's no resistance to a Voided lynch but it trying to drum up support for a non-voided lynch

. . . . .

[Voidedmafia]

wait, you're using a wagon on a SCUM player as evidence of resistance to a voided wagon?

Could be totally wrong, but it sounds like he's saying I'm rightscum and my team led a wagon on leftscum DP to save me.

[Garuda]

Still?

still what?

as in are you still letting ka coast by on that zdenek claim? The town read has gone stale for pretty much everyone else.

[Voidedmafia]

Ohey, I'm right. Yay me.

Garuda: that is a concern of mine regarding aces, but I'm not seeing the scummy translation here.

[Garuda]

Still?

I do :/

You're welcome!

I'm not really sure I understand what connections or contrasts you're trying to draw here, though. I'm fairly sure there are a few things from S&L that I was sure enough about for it to be genuine.

This probably isn't something that's gonna happen without an explanation.

What explanation he has given doesn't make me inclined to vote muffin. I'm still waiting on quotes/links/elaborations to 3124 from him, btw.

Why? We've let Nero Cain, Seanald and others get away with stupid advertisements. I think we've established enough precedent that we're fine to allow people to advertise & get these shit-tier abilities and no one will bat an eye.

Seanald's an established idiot, and Nero put too little thought into exactly how abilities like LP and I think Vote Freeze are actually pro-town, but where exactly is this with BB? Yes, adding in Tailor and LP to the list isn't the best idea, but Tailor was added in because of a misunderstanding regarding how that worked, and there's more than enough pro-town abilities in that list that you cannot possibly imagine this being a stupid-town move nor some kind of scum ploy. Or you can tell me what the scum motivation is in advertising all those abilities is?

As for your "not batting an eye" comment, I'm just going to refer you to pgs. 127 and 128, and if you can't see what I'm talking about re: Mina, you deserve a facepalm.

Why would we policy lynch day 4, are you on drugs

Also, this.

Thats cool. Let me do every freaking anti-town thing in every freaking game so that when I do draw scum, I won't get lynched for it.

A.) Just because you do it ever game doesn't always mean it can be called null in relation to you (at least I don't think so)
B.) That's not his point. Nice discredit, tho.

Also, there's a difference between "hesitating" (which I didn't do) and "deferring" (which I did). Learn it, plz.

if he was really that fucking scummy, and that was such a town-driven wagon, it wouldn't have taken 13 fucking days days to happen.

Most of the reasons came from things Seanald said and/or did near the end of the day, though. And also a shift in read from "stupid but can stay alive" to "needs to die" (at least for me in part, anyways).

Oh, for fuck's sake. I don't think you actually do understand what the phrase "the straw the broke the camel's back" means. I'm not voting him for that alone. I have provided other reasons why I am voting him, which you sem to be ignoring.

You're saying that was the final straw. I'm saying that it's too damn light to BE the final straw, and/or that it isn't anything close to a final straw but you're making it out to be like it is for you when it's really not.

I am very much aware of your other reasons. My problem is with what you decided to use to say "Okay, that's it, Pie needs to die" because it's not something that's worth such a declaration. And I don't think you've answered me as to why it's

scummy

bad and not

bad

bad because I've already said I highly agree it's the latter.

Vote: KingdomAces

Mhork, Molla.
Does this sound good to you?

Am I leaning too much on why I think Aces is town or is there something I'm missing?

I don't understand why Voided voted Seanald in 112.

112? I don't have a post 112.

No that was you asking questions with no possible town answer to Nero just as he his wagon hit tipping point.

Huh?

Also, not going to be voting with Esp anytime soon.

(fuck having to retype this THREE FREAKING TIMES <_<)

There's a difference between being confident that you're being pushed for shit reasons as scum and being confident of the same as town.

I don't remember you reasons for ka town and am not particularly inclined to check back right now because this fucking sucks to type on, so starting out with that would probably be best. I was most likely referring to 212 in isolation of whenever the hell you voted Seanald.

[Garuda]

Seanald's an established idiot, and Nero put too little thought into exactly how abilities like LP and I think Vote Freeze are actually pro-town, but where exactly is this with BB? Yes, adding in Tailor and LP to the list isn't the best idea, but Tailor was added in because of a misunderstanding regarding how that worked, and there's more than enough pro-town abilities in that list that you cannot possibly imagine this being a stupid-town move nor some kind of scum ploy. Or you can tell me what the scum motivation is in advertising all those abilities is?

I still don't see how Molla would think Tailor can be town-aligned in any scenario, and why the fuck would you advertise Love Potion

despite us talking about it before

. I think that molla was trying to hide it in the cacophony that is his advertising. Scum motivation is setting up to use their money advantage to sneak all of them up on a mass level.

As for your "not batting an eye" comment, I'm just going to refer you to pgs. 127 and 128, and if you can't see what I'm talking about re: Mina, you deserve a facepalm.

Gimme a sec I know LB kinda struck me as odd today.

Also, this.

It's not a policy lynch, it's using mechanics to scumhunt.

Why the hell wouldn't molla just lie about his advertising?

[zMuffinMan]

as in are you still letting ka coast by on that zdenek claim?

no

[Garuda]

Let's do Voided.

Also, I'm gonna freeze ProHawk's vote on Voided, because I really really think Voided is scum and we are not going to let him evade another lynch.

Uwop is a bit scummy too, but I prefer Voided greatly.

Why is upside down scummy?

[Garuda]

What is your town read on him made of, then?

[zMuffinMan]

was that directed at me? because i don't currently think he's town

[Garuda]

I'm not lynching voided. Muffin lynch molla or eagle with me. Or even better Prohawk.

Or even better ka.

[Garuda]

I misunderstood your original response, then.