A uPick of Ice & Fire - Day 12 - #REKT?

[Eddard Stark]

Day 7, Vc 12

Alfred Borden (2) -

Benmage, Shadoweh

elleheathen (1) -

Nautilius

Titus (1) -

kanyeknowsbest

The Alchemist (6) -

ooba, Cephrir, SafetyDance, Titus, Messiah Complex, elleheathen

Benmage (1) -

Alfred Borden

kanyeknowsbest (2) -

Tierce, Garruk Relentless

Not voting (2)

:The Alchemist, Tammy

With 15 alive it takes 8 votes to lynch

• Deadline Date: 5th of December 20:15 EST
  
• Deadline Countdown: (expired on 2013-12-08 19:30:00)
  
• Titus is V/la (or will be!)

[Nautilius]

I think that Nacho is writing off Titus as town too easily and I think that marble is writing off elleheathen as town too easily.

I'm not done with Titus.
Llamarble tells me elleheathen is the read that he cares about the most this game. If he sticks with elletown after one more reread, I would say that he's not reading elleheathen off as town too easily and no one really has the right to even say that.

[Garruk Relentless]

aka I see why kanye is bothered with me scumreading him because he has done plenty of things this game and has been my bro. but you, Garruk? do you really think that you've been doing things that should put you in the strong town pile?

Strong town? No. I don't think I have a game on site where I was ever strong town. However, I think having me down as the third most scummy player is troublesome considering all that's happened.

[Tammy]

I think that Nacho is writing off Titus as town too easily and I think that marble is writing off elleheathen as town too easily.

I'm not done with Titus.
Llamarble tells me elleheathen is the read that he cares about the most this game. If he sticks with elletown after one more reread, I would say that he's not reading elleheathen off as town too easily and no one really has the right to even say that.

Stop sucking up to marble.

I don't see a reason to think she's town, and I don't care how many times he's read through her, I think he's writing her off as town too easily.

[Nautilius]

considering "all that's happened". tell me all that's happened.

[Nautilius]

I think that Nacho is writing off Titus as town too easily and I think that marble is writing off elleheathen as town too easily.

I'm not done with Titus.
Llamarble tells me elleheathen is the read that he cares about the most this game. If he sticks with elletown after one more reread, I would say that he's not reading elleheathen off as town too easily and no one really has the right to even say that.

Stop sucking up to marble.

I don't see a reason to think she's town, and I don't care how many times he's read through her, I think he's writing her off as town too easily.

I'm not sucking up to him. I want one good read from him, and he tells me elleheathen is that one good read. Why can't I trust him on that much?

[Garruk Relentless]

considering "all that's happened". tell me all that's happened.

Well for one, in this theory, as scum, I supposedly burned my motivates on you and Tierce, which makes no fucking sense at all.

[Nautilius]

Who are your scum suspects, Tammy?

[Tammy]

You're just telling me I don't have a right to say he's giving her a pass too easily. I think she's capable of doing everything she's done here as scum, so a she's really town read to me is writing her off as town too easily.

[Tammy]

Who are your scum suspects, Tammy?

Elle, maybe Titus, and I don't think you're as town as everyone thinks you are, I don't care if Cephrir yells as me for being absurdly paranoid.

[Nautilius]

I understand what you're saying a little better now.
Still wasn't sucking up to Llamarble.

[Nautilius]

Titus scum? Why do you think Titus scum?

[Nautilius]

considering "all that's happened". tell me all that's happened.

Well for one, in this theory, as scum, I supposedly burned my motivates on you and Tierce, which makes no fucking sense at all.

I wasn't notified of being motivated.

[Tammy]

I'm having a hard time accepting all the roleblockers as town. The only thing I liked about the idea she had was it could be used in lylo.

She has a real disconnect with the thread, and I hate that she wanted to post her notes to prove she had been reading. Taking notes isn't a town tell, and the wanting to prove that she's reading rubs me the wrong way.

I hated Zdenek jumping off the spyrex wagon and the reasoning for why he joined the Alchemist wagon. It didn't make any sense and sounded fake.

But, I'm waiting to hear from Syryana on his read there.

[Garruk Relentless]

For the record and I'm just going to say fuck it at this point, but Shadoweh's my neighbor and she's 100% confirmed town(or if we're expecting some sort of third party, not-mafia) in my eyes because her kill only activated upon neighborize. Faraday fucked up and didn't tell me that it was one-shot until after the fact or I would have pushed harder for an Agar or kanye kill. She had no reason to wait that long to neighborize as scum since it took she clearly had two males to marry off at any point, and it involves her wanting to burn a 1-shot strongman on

Katsuki

. Over the claimed roleblocker, that I was pushing

hard

in our QT for or anyone else, because I told her I'd default to anyone she chose.

So you're list is actually quite short.

Benmage
elleheathen
kanyeknowsbest
Messiah Complex (Desperado/Formerfish)
The Alchemist

PEDIT: For fuck's sake. I sent it in night five. Lemme check with Faraday.

[Nautilius]

Well there's something closer.

[Garruk Relentless]

I'd wager my soul on Messiah being town as well, which conveniently leaves four names.

[Nautilius]

She has a real disconnect with the thread,

And you think this is a sign of scum?

[Garruk Relentless]

K I just clarified. My motivate was counted, which means I was roleblocked.

[Tammy]

She has a real disconnect with the thread,

And you think this is a sign of scum?

combined with the other things sure.

But like I said, it's a maybe scum read and I'm waiting to hear what Syryana thinks of Titus.

Regardless, I think that only one of Titus or Alchemist are scum if either.

[Tammy]

I think that Titus and Alchemist are not scum together that should say.

[Garruk Relentless]

For the record, I don't believe in multiball either. I don't see how two three man teams with restricted kills with this role madness can exist.

[Alfred Borden]

I looked at Elle's scummeta quite a bit during round ?? of reading her, so I understand what you're getting at in terms of having a wide faking range particularly for bubbliness.
She still came across town though. And the "I need to be killed" was really really clever if she's scum.

I'd guess Benmage, Kanye / MC, maybe Shadoweh or TA. I'm still getting back in though.
I think TA isn't a bad vote off dayplay but I do want to hear more "what went on in this scums' head" because it's a very popular wagon without a lot of rationalization.

Ooba, I will refrain from hammering.

[elleheathen]

I want the Alchemist voters to talk more about his actions and what they think happened there.
Is the Alchemist scum who had an extra kill ability and decided to give it to town despite having a couple good targets?
In particular Tierce claimed to have Awesome Planz for the shot, so the notion that some kind of "none of our names are out there" logic was in effect is pretty eh.
Or you can take the Tierce / Alchemist put on a show angle, which would be better if Tierce weren't Certifiable Town.

Some kind of "I think this is what happened in scumland that led to the above" from Elle, SD, Ceph / the others would be good.

It's about to move but I'll answer this anyway.

My vote was less about specifics of night actions because hell, I still don't know what exactly happened with the coin BS (although, I will say that I never thought of it as an extra kill ability that they could use as much as an ability they had to give away for it to be used?)- and more 'fell into my lynch pool' of:

The Alchemist
Benmage
kanye
Titus

I'd vote any of them - but there's a Tierce vote to be sheeped now - and I like it better.

VOTE: kanye

[Cephrir]

I'm willing to vote The Alchemist as soon as someone tells me why Syryana wouldn't give his coin to a buddy and just stay quiet about it. Do you think Faraday told him he couldn't give the coin to buddies? Because that just sounds stupid.

He could have given it to me, who wouldn't have shot one of his buddies. Why wouldn't he have done that?

Theory: he claimed N1 to Tammy and realized not having the coin later would be a scum claim. Tammy, did this happen?

The only alternative is Tierce being scum really, and that's highly unlikely.

Would be interested in what Cephrir picked up from them, though.

Oh, right, I knew there was something in this game I'd forgotten to do! >.<

i think tierce eating the bullet n1 is a reasonable assumption.

and i think that when you then look at them killing mollie n2, a n3 doctor protection is very unlikely.

What do any of these things have to do with each other?

You're just telling me I don't have a right to say he's giving her a pass too easily. I think she's capable of doing everything she's done here as scum, so a she's really town read to me is writing her off as town too easily.

I'm probably forgetting stuff, but I think I agree- I don't recall AB ever giving good concrete reasons why elle is town.

Who are your scum suspects, Tammy?

Elle, maybe Titus, and I don't think you're as town as everyone thinks you are, I don't care if Cephrir yells as me for being absurdly paranoid.

*takes in breath*

...eh, what's the point, you already knew I was going to say it.

For the record and I'm just going to say fuck it at this point, but Shadoweh's my neighbor and she's 100% confirmed town(or if we're expecting some sort of third party, not-mafia) in my eyes because her kill only activated upon neighborize. Faraday fucked up and didn't tell me that it was one-shot until after the fact or I would have pushed harder for an Agar or kanye kill. She had no reason to wait that long to neighborize as scum since it took she clearly had two males to marry off at any point, and it involves her wanting to burn a 1-shot strongman on

Katsuki

.

I'd be interested in hearing more about this neighborhood.

Blowing the kill on Katsuki is a pretty good argument for Shadoweh-town, but it's still really strange, and I can conceive of reasons it could make sense. They all involve scum rolecops, which conveniently probably existed.