In post 4691, Benmage wrote:I've been letting a little crazy in lately that has me believing the scum team might gain something fromHammering... SpyreX being the original lamb, and Alfred ninja-ing one with that GnR speedlynch.
Did you forget your own theory on why scum might be going after hammers?
heres a hint for you guys: if i was scum quadz would not have died d4. i had plenty of opportunity to throw my hands up in the air and say "gosh fine well lynch safety today and let titsu do his thing and confirm him" and still be able to show later that i was pushing quadz to die that day well after i needed to. remember when i was harping about optimal scumplay? thats because i fucking like optimal scumplay, and optimal scumplay was for quadz to not die d4 when he didnt need to.In post 3873, ooba wrote:Lynch Dance with me today - I promise we can get Quadz tomorrow.In post 3859, kanyeknowsbest wrote:Quadz Must Die
Quadz can be let off for another day since
- Titus has a way to verify ability (or) Quadz can verify Titus
- He's claimed cop - who's claimed RB on N3 and that it's remarkably coincidental that SD tracked him that night (and there was what happened today). I actually like Quadz for two reasons after the claim
-- He's not being harping on the "we both can be town" like SD is as much; I would expect scum who's lynch has been aborted to push that line a bit more
-- He could have just claimed cop without putting himself in a weak 1vs1 with Quadz
So let's do it this way.
No optimal scumplay is making sure you maximize your long term chances of winning. Pushing and actually getting the quadz lynch gets you a *lot* more towncred than the other scenario.In post 5151, kanyeknowsbest wrote:heres a hint for you guys: if i was scum quadz would not have died d4. i had plenty of opportunity to throw my hands up in the air and say "gosh fine well lynch safety today and let titsu do his thing and confirm him" and still be able to show later that i was pushing quadz to die that day well after i needed to. remember when i was harping about optimal scumplay? thats because i fucking like optimal scumplay, and optimal scumplay was for quadz to not die d4 when he didnt need to.In post 3873, ooba wrote:Lynch Dance with me today - I promise we can get Quadz tomorrow.In post 3859, kanyeknowsbest wrote:Quadz Must Die
Quadz can be let off for another day since
- Titus has a way to verify ability (or) Quadz can verify Titus
- He's claimed cop - who's claimed RB on N3 and that it's remarkably coincidental that SD tracked him that night (and there was what happened today). I actually like Quadz for two reasons after the claim
-- He's not being harping on the "we both can be town" like SD is as much; I would expect scum who's lynch has been aborted to push that line a bit more
-- He could have just claimed cop without putting himself in a weak 1vs1 with Quadz
So let's do it this way.
PoE. And there's nothing to show you're town either.idk does anyone have a reason they think im scum besides "he lynched quadz, one of the only 2 scum weve lynched this game"?
Why was Kanye's towncred (which was not lacking before the Quadz lynch) more important than Quadz' life?In post 5153, ooba wrote:No optimal scumplay is making sure you maximize your long term chances of winning. Pushing and actually getting the quadz lynch gets you a *lot* more towncred than the other scenario.
It's a possibility, but Alfred-scum isn't dependent on the scum having to hammer in order to kill. It's just sweetener.In post 5052, Nautilius wrote:Desperado, what do you think of the "no, that's probably just why AGar was killed" counterargument to the slam dunk case?
believe you are severely underestimating the utility of a free lynch and delaying the lynch of a buddy by 1 or more days.In post 5153, ooba wrote:No optimal scumplay is making sure you maximize your long term chances of winning. Pushing and actually getting the quadz lynch gets you a *lot* more towncred than the other scenario.In post 5151, kanyeknowsbest wrote:heres a hint for you guys: if i was scum quadz would not have died d4. i had plenty of opportunity to throw my hands up in the air and say "gosh fine well lynch safety today and let titsu do his thing and confirm him" and still be able to show later that i was pushing quadz to die that day well after i needed to. remember when i was harping about optimal scumplay? thats because i fucking like optimal scumplay, and optimal scumplay was for quadz to not die d4 when he didnt need to.In post 3873, ooba wrote:Lynch Dance with me today - I promise we can get Quadz tomorrow.In post 3859, kanyeknowsbest wrote:Quadz Must Die
Quadz can be let off for another day since
- Titus has a way to verify ability (or) Quadz can verify Titus
- He's claimed cop - who's claimed RB on N3 and that it's remarkably coincidental that SD tracked him that night (and there was what happened today). I actually like Quadz for two reasons after the claim
-- He's not being harping on the "we both can be town" like SD is as much; I would expect scum who's lynch has been aborted to push that line a bit more
-- He could have just claimed cop without putting himself in a weak 1vs1 with Quadz
So let's do it this way.
are you kidding me ive been obv town as fuck this gamePoE. And there's nothing to show you're town either.idk does anyone have a reason they think im scum besides "he lynched quadz, one of the only 2 scum weve lynched this game"?
It's not sacrificing Quadz's life - his lynch was already forfeit - it was a question of D4 or D5. You make that D5 and you gain immense town cred - not to mention a significant 'get out of lynch with that logic' card.In post 5155, Messiah Complex wrote:Why was Kanye's towncred (which was not lacking before the Quadz lynch) more important than Quadz' life?In post 5153, ooba wrote:No optimal scumplay is making sure you maximize your long term chances of winning. Pushing and actually getting the quadz lynch gets you a *lot* more towncred than the other scenario.
- Des
I reevaluate with flips, new info and obviously how people vote.In post 5158, kanyeknowsbest wrote:like what happened between you declaring me town as fuck (which iirc happened before quadz even flipped) and now that im no longer obviously town ?
My own "crazy" theory. Okay kid.In post 5150, Messiah Complex wrote:In post 4691, Benmage wrote:I've been letting a little crazy in lately that has me believing the scum team might gain something fromHammering... SpyreX being the original lamb, and Alfred ninja-ing one with that GnR speedlynch.Did you forget your own theory on why scum might be going after hammers?
. I'll apologise - I reread parts of the game - I was wrong about you being scum. Kanye's still scum though.In post 5162, Benmage wrote:My own "crazy" theory. Okay kid.In post 5150, Messiah Complex wrote:In post 4691, Benmage wrote:I've been letting a little crazy in lately that has me believing the scum team might gain something fromHammering... SpyreX being the original lamb, and Alfred ninja-ing one with that GnR speedlynch.Did you forget your own theory on why scum might be going after hammers?
I'd like to see scum hammer after the scrutiny we've now put on hammers in thread
Its a little baffling you can waffle your entire scum teams on D7.. a testament to your abilities at this game.In post 5159, ooba wrote:When the day started, I thought it might be {elle, TA, Garruk with Tierce as a paranoid possibility} scumteam. elle's playing like town - so is Garruk. Right now I'd say it has to be some combination of {you, Benmage, Ceph}. All three of you have shown some combination of fear that the PoE thing is working out for town
- You keep pushing Titus who is town
- Ben kept pushing Alfred at the start of the day since he knows Alfred is a harder mislynch than TA - the hammer sentiment will subside in time. As soon as I change lynches to you, he thinks TA is town but we should still him because he's a thorn?
- Ceph I'm not so sure but he keeps mentioning the dont-clear-people by roles a lot (which is good advice to keep in mind but not worth mentioning so many times)
I might be paranoid and waffle *a lot* during the day but till it comes to that final lynch vote\push, I've been correct at every lynch that's happened in the game so far.In post 5164, Benmage wrote:Its a little baffling you can waffle your entire scum teams on D7.. a testament to your abilities at this game.
In post 5142, Benmage wrote:Whats curious is the vague general question verse asking the source... What do you find curious about me voting the alchemist? What else on this page is "curious".In post 5141, Garruk Relentless wrote:Does anyone else find Benmage's behavior the last page curious? Especially his wagon swap?
What changed between the popcorn and this point?In post 5164, Benmage wrote:Its a little baffling you can waffle your entire scum teams on D7.. a testament to your abilities at this game.In post 5159, ooba wrote:When the day started, I thought it might be {elle, TA, Garruk with Tierce as a paranoid possibility} scumteam. elle's playing like town - so is Garruk. Right now I'd say it has to be some combination of {you, Benmage, Ceph}. All three of you have shown some combination of fear that the PoE thing is working out for town
- You keep pushing Titus who is town
- Ben kept pushing Alfred at the start of the day since he knows Alfred is a harder mislynch than TA - the hammer sentiment will subside in time. As soon as I change lynches to you, he thinks TA is town but we should still him because he's a thorn?
- Ceph I'm not so sure but he keeps mentioning the dont-clear-people by roles a lot (which is good advice to keep in mind but not worth mentioning so many times)
-I've been talking about my paranoia regarding Alch long before anything you did, and switched my vote before you did. Soooo fix your chronology.
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unvote vote kkb
It's not my fault people keep doing it =(In post 5159, ooba wrote: - Ceph I'm not so sure but he keeps mentioning the dont-clear-people by roles a lot (which is good advice to keep in mind but not worth mentioning so many times)
Cephrir - I ISO'd you - notice that you want to lynch TA (but aren't too sure about his scum flip). What do you think of Kanye? Does this role interaction help your read of him?In post 4995, Cephrir wrote:Kanye, how do you feel about coming out with respect to our role interaction? Because I want to talk to you about it.