Touhou: Mafia in the Land of Fantasy (Game Over)

[Lush Life]

What's crabbing.

crab 3 |krab|
noun informal
an irritable person.
verb ( crabs, crabbing , crabbed ) informal
1 [ no obj. ] grumble, typically about something petty: on picnics, I would crab about sand in my food.
2 [ with obj. ] act so as to spoil: you're trying to crab my act.

Also I'd like to think that

Spoiler:

So mollie, do you have any idea how much of a total bitch you are to ffery sometimes? She's townreading you but for fuck's sake girl; your antagonistic snipes at her in game after game are creating a toxic wasteland. Perhaps you think it's the best way for you to read her,

but all you're achieving is pissing her off and ensuring I'm playing alone the next few IRL days.

So now I get to play Mr. intervention. In the middle of day one of a game. And I'm not really happy about that.

Because if we don't lower tension levels a few billion notches?

Ffery is p. much gone till either you die or we die.

And I suck at this game alone. So I'd really rather avoid that.

So, you wanna bitch at us and take potshots at us? Fine. Aim at me. I'm right here, be as much of an asshat as you want towards me.

Because if you keep this shit up I'm gonna do to you what I did to tammy-syr in marketplace. Townread them, and throw them into the corner over THERE where I don't have to deal with their baggage.

Exactly why I've not been a fan of your aggression ever since. Cute how you call it misrepresentation.

you would like to think that what?

also we seem to have a communication problem here cos you didn't do what I asked!

feel free to point out any insults I laid at their slot?

and all you provided was what cabd said? you are accusing me of "ejecting" fery from the game but I ask you for proof and all you do is quote cabd?

you know 1 of the things that was off about gcbc's list was that they called you dumb but now I am wondering if he is just quicker at picking up on these things than I am. I thought you made a couple of decent points but mebbe they were a fluke?

lets start here: it is a misrep when you cannot back up what you are saying with substance. so put up or stfu cos all that you are doing is making yourself look stupid and scummy. <----- thinking you are not both tho

[Lush Life]

Last thing before i go to sleep.
For your viewing pleasure.

omg that was awsum

I don't even know what to wallow in

[Lush Life]

more like I have way too many null reads and I'm having trouble sorting through them all
help me with these people

Most of those are relatively null for me, too. But I

am

reading Dram and Muffin as town. Mollie is handling the Messiah, I think I have a town lean on Chamber but considering Mala is part of that hydra (I think?), I'll probably defer that to Mollie as well.

Kaga is possible-scum. Am and Yuni have made no impressions.

I can do that, too.

Lol'd hard.

also i agree with kaze in that reading things only in iso means you miss out on what is being said in context <--- mebbe it is just me but I have mostly only seen scum do this

I do this all the time as town.

And I'm getting pietown feels, we should definitely follow up on that.

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Looked up Bubba's claim. The character fits an enabler of some sort, or possibly a vig based on the gun-arm. Certainly not a bomb.

Plus the bomb claim fits into the narrative of EM-player fakeclaims, since bomb is a fairly reliable fakeclaim for scum, as it doesn't take any action and also can't safely be vigged to be sure.

Add to that the incredibly shoddy "breadcrumbs" and we've got a scum fakeclaiming very poorly.

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A man agrees. A man could go through Majiffy's posts and bold random letters to show where he crumbed "I smoke cock", forward or backward. Lol!

Shit, you saw that? I was hoping AP would replace into this game and become suddenly very interested in our slot.

1 shot bomb

Ok how come this thread is still open?

[Lush Life]

@ gcbc

another thing that is bothering me about your list is your read on the kittens thing. i don't think rememory was being himself from post #1 and it isn't like he isn't used to conflict in games or witnessing hardballing. what is weird is that hadn't actually taken place when he replaced out. the kittens replace in posts are underwhelming so I really don't get the town lean.

also when are we going to continue talking about messiah?

[GoodCop_BadCop]

GCBC, not going to go point for point on this. That'd be a fine distraction, but it wouldn't get us anywhere.

I used a lot of big and smart sounding words people do to call you scum and can't put in the time to provide evidence because there really isn't any and it would just distract and lead no where.

FTFY


In the words of Mollie

lets start here: it is a misrep when you cannot back up what you are saying with substance. so put up or stfu cos all that you are doing is making yourself look stupid and scummy.

~GC

[The Chamber of Kittens]

yeah p much. I didn't put two and two together =.=

Ok, this post is pretty bad.

[Mac]

I think it is. At best, there's some info to nab there with Pie's recent ISO response posts, but that's it.
Don't think Pie is scum. But, hey, fuck it, I could be wrong.
Also, I want to back you up, Kaze, but my biggest scum-read wants to lynch Pie as well. I really want to put all my bets on you, but I can't do it in good faith. :/
I'm a terrible father.

why don't you think pie is scum? I think he is. Let's talk that one out.

also chuckled alot at the last line of this post for no reason in particular.

[zMuffinMan]

I crumbed my role here

pausing my read-through to say this is the single greatest role claim i've ever read, kudos to you regardless of your alignment

one problem is i feel you almost made your crumbing

too

obvious

[The Chamber of Kittens]

I need a break from this game

mod: V/LA till wednesday

I'm playing like complete shit and I need to reset. I'll join another large when someone teaches me how to actually play larges = =

This is a pretty believable follow up though. It fits with the shame of having missed something like that. I'm not sure the shame would be felt -only- by town though. At any rate his break makes sense now and I'm surprised some people gave him heat over it.

[bubbajack8]

Not liking Varsoon's response to my posts.

but Varsoon; What's your character name hmmm?

Hey I just woke up. Gonna do stuff because I know exactly what to say regarding the claim of bubba and

possibly Kagami.

You little fish.

What I see in your claim is

"I purposely acted like a good target so that I can bait out their night action because I'm a bomb HAHA"

Uh what?? Where the hell are you delusional enough to see that. I never said any of that in the claim. I was asked why I didn't claim something else, or try to draw the night kill, and I delivered.

We have a

one-shot

redirect claim and a

one-shot

bomb claim. I'd very much like to know if my theory is accurate.

And what's that?

LUSH FUCK YOU. YOU'VE SAID 100 TIMES IM SOFTING A PR, AND KATARINA CAUGHT ON.

Um, what?

Lush softed they thought I was a PR 100 times, you come in and say you don't like me AFTER my first 3 posts.

Considering my finished claim was at my FOURTH post I freaked the fuck out.

VOTE: Tsukasa

I'm having problems with Varsoon's claim right now, especially when he flat out ignored my question, and you come in and say he's town; while yet saying my crumb is bad.

I don't care how many times I used said letter. For 1 I had to start a word with it. For 2 - That word had to mean something, or be interchangeable.

Scum: Tsukasa, Varsoon (Katarina?) (Kaze?)

Holy shit Lush; You are fucking awful at this game. I asked the mod if I could post the picture she sent because it has a much more bomb feel to it. I don't know who Touhou characters are.

Is a bomb claim a good EM fakleclaim? Yeah, but a cop etc. is better.

Also you peole need to quit trying to push me explaining what 1 shot means. It's starting to piss me off. Someone is this thread said not to talk about it. TRYING TO GET IT OUT OF ME IS SCUMMY AS FUCK.

I crumbed my role here

pausing my read-through to say this is the single greatest role claim i've ever read, kudos to you regardless of your alignment

one problem is i feel you almost made your crumbing

too

obvious

Dafuq.

Lynch me. Do it, I'm useless at this point since I've claimed, and it's going to help find scum. So fucking do it

@Lush: Another EM character is fool

[Kagami]

Hey I just woke up. Gonna do stuff because I know exactly what to say regarding the claim of bubba and possibly Kagami.

I'm assuming this means "what to say regarding [the claim of bubba] and [possibly kagami]," rather than "what to say regarding the claim of [bubba and possibly kagami]." The latter would be your misunderstanding.

[Kagami]

...
Looked up Bubba's claim. The character fits an enabler of some sort, or possibly a vig based on the gun-arm. Certainly not a bomb.

Plus the bomb claim fits into the narrative of EM-player fakeclaims, since bomb is a fairly reliable fakeclaim for scum, as it doesn't take any action and also can't safely be vigged to be sure.

Add to that the incredibly shoddy "breadcrumbs" and we've got a scum fakeclaiming very poorly.
...

Bomb would actually be a very fitting role for okuu, but the breadcrumbs aren't real, obviously; no one would breadcrumb bomb. I don't think that's what is going on here.

[zMuffinMan]

i don't want to lynch bubba. the stuff he's saying in regards to his claim is looking really town. the way he's getting frustrated about people not believing him is also coming across as townish. i don't really get why he'd honestly claim his role if he is a bomb, but meh

at the very least, if he is scum, he's been planning the bomb claim since the beginning. i'm in agreement with gcbc atm - treat it like a PGO claim

[Kagami]

I need a break from this game

mod: V/LA till wednesday

I'm playing like complete shit and I need to reset. I'll join another large when someone teaches me how to actually play larges = =

This is a pretty believable follow up though. It fits with the shame of having missed something like that. I'm not sure the shame would be felt -only- by town though. At any rate his break makes sense now and I'm surprised some people gave him heat over it.

I don't feel too strongly about pie one way or another, but this particular bit is more believable for scum than town to me. Town is expected to be wrong and make mistakes, and this would be easy to play off. Scum would be more likely to think they made a critical error here.

The mistake itself is nullish. It's reasonably believable to be confused by the replacements.

p-edit: agreed on PGO treatment.

[zMuffinMan]

The character fits an enabler of some sort, or possibly a vig based on the gun-arm. Certainly not a bomb.

yeah. when a character's theme is nuclear fusion, my first assumption is certainly not a bomb

[bubbajack8]

...
Looked up Bubba's claim. The character fits an enabler of some sort, or possibly a vig based on the gun-arm. Certainly not a bomb.

Plus the bomb claim fits into the narrative of EM-player fakeclaims, since bomb is a fairly reliable fakeclaim for scum, as it doesn't take any action and also can't safely be vigged to be sure.

Add to that the incredibly shoddy "breadcrumbs" and we've got a scum fakeclaiming very poorly.
...

Bomb would actually be a very fitting role for okuu, but the breadcrumbs aren't real, obviously; no one would breadcrumb bomb. I don't think that's what is going on here.

Ohohoho. When I flip. I'm just going to quote this post.... xD

I still have no clue what a PGO is...

I have no clue what TouHou is, but fuck it zmuffinman's words make me say it. I have a nuclear rod. That's how I arm myself. It's length will forever be a mystery oOoOoOoooo

[Kagami]

muffin was being sarcastic. The okuu fight is a series of explosions and klaxons and your head aspolde.

[zMuffinMan]

I'm getting pietown feels

the ISO catch-up was pretty average, really. called a bunch of people town and has like 10 null reads. recent jump onto GCBC for not backing down after he said he was obvtown doesn't make me feel any better and the explanation he gave for why he went MIA for 3 days didn't help either

what's giving you town feels?

can't read zmuffin for shit so I'm skipping him

since when did you give up on even trying to read me entirely?

Varsoon

i don't think he's scum here. i think i said it in imperishable night, but there's a difference between how stand-offish and confrontational he is as town compared to scum, plus i'm liking the confident tone in his posts (even if what he's saying is really derpy)

i also liked the post he made somewhere about wanting it to be a 1v1 with you. it was dumb, but it felt really town

[pieguyn]

also i agree with kaze in that reading things only in iso means you miss out on what is being said in context <--- mebbe it is just me but I have mostly only seen scum do this

so you are still really not playing. I think you are just going through the motions.

for the record I have read or at least skimmed the whole thread. p much all of it is a shitton of noise and/or tl;dr. the only underlying contexts I could really make out behind any of it were GCBC v. Varsoon, jiffy v. bubba, GCBC v. UFO and all that shit with the "townslip" earlier. I've tried to take what I could remember of the underlying contexts into account when ISO'ing and if you look at my reads some of them (GCBC's push on UFO) are based off context. given I had only skimmed everything after I left and I couldn't remember a lot of it very well, I also wanted make sure I didn't miss anything notable (extra interactions and other shit I didn't pick up on)

and I find it incredibly weird that you yak about town blocs but have made no effort to reach out to the IC I mean his posts should have been the first 1s you commented on. nor have you reached out to me nor to gcbc and I think you have the 2 slots as town?

ok my idea of a townblock is prob wrong then. I basically just try to get a really solid set of townreads, which I call a townblock. but an actual solid townblock doesn't really come around till later when there's a set of people who are generally agreed upon to be p much guaranteed town. and there's a lack of separation from the townblock and everyone else, bc these are people who are universally agreed upon and townread. this allows town to work together and have a good dynamic and also allows for balancing in the case there's scum in said townblock

however, when you try to force a townblock it invariably winds up with all the scum in it. forming it based aroudn the IC is forcing it bc you work yourself into a cycle of confbias based around your other reads and especially if a scum gets in there everything gets fked up

also I have GCBC as scum

[pieguyn]

since when did you give up on even trying to read me entirely?

I hardly ever try to formally sort you. in imperishable night my scumread on you was entirely POE besides an entirely gut townread I had near the start. in marketplace mafia I had a correct scumread on you but idk how accurate the way I got to said scumread was and you made me reverse it. that was the only time I tried to formally sort you and given I did it wrong I'm not sure how long it'll be till I try again

[Mac]

@Kaze: Pie wagon too easy. There's scum on it. Nuff said.

2/10, try again next time.

He's way too inactive to be scummac, as backwards as that may seem to anyone who hasn't played with him. Though to be fair, a man has never seen him very active on D1 regardless of alignment. He also seems to be trying to unite rather than divide.

I feel like whatever meta you may have on me is outdated: nowadays I am active when I'm on site which is more often than not after work. Furthermore being timezoned means I miss alot of back and forth whilst I sleep and you guys come out to play.

Curiously, why do you think I'm superactive as scum and not town?

Also I fucking hate being accused of inactivity because my posts are being drowned out by everyone else. Like I say every game, just because I don't have a hundred posts or don't post 40 times in a day, doesn't make me inactive.

Varsoon do you remember that time when you did wiggle wiggle and you were scum? I'm weirded out by your attitude here, but I'm not sure why.

You're joking right? Please Mollie, link me to your most recent game where a player has tunneled on you erroneously and you decided to work with said person instead of fight back.

I'm sure this will be covered by the time I am finished this, but you realise there is a difference between a player tunnelling on you and an IC tunneling on you, right?

You're joking right? Please Mollie, link me to your most recent game where a player has tunneled on you erroneously and you decided to work with said person instead of fight back.

Worst post in this game? Maybe. Hoping it's not serious, otherwise Katarina became a big cause for concern.

The basis of your read on him is his claiming confirmed town. Point B if I understand it correct.

I don't see how his cockiness on how he self-confirmed himself as town is a scumtell, that's not really alignment indicative. Read his Signature even.

That's how I interpreted his early posts.

You really need to re-read my post.

In simple terms, Varsoon said only one person is confirmed town (The mod-confirmed IC). When in reality if you are town, from your point of view, there should be two confirmed town. Varsoon isn't town, so he forgot that point when he made that post. This is aside from the hypocritical posts where he confirmed himself town and

then

said only the mod-confirmed IC was confirmed town.

Mollie, even confirmed town can throw games. Just because they are town and everyone knows it doesn't give them a crystal ball.

this is

really

scraping the barrel here. Weak reasoning, and I've lost my townread on you.

Hey weird thing: Kagami said Rem is town somewhere along the lines and still is yet to move her vote. Why? Probably because she's scum.

what am I curious about is why pieguy thinks town-Dan has a priority to sort Kaze over players that he has experience with? Explanation needed there.

again, pieguy's iso's don't stand out and don't do nothing in the way of reads. "town, could be fakeable" - alot of idk's from him. Still scum, picking and choosing posts from an ISO to look busy.

ActionDan for scumbuddy? could work.

bubba those aren't crumbs

they look like something you have pulled out of your butt

here here. smells like bullshit.

Finding myself starting to like Jaqen's preachings on GCBC scum. Why are there so many scum this game?

[Mac]

Kaze, I feel like you're the only dude who knows I'm here so I'm gonna just chat with you and stuff.

I don't have any good reads. I haven't been giving this game much attention. If I rolled scum, this wouldn't be a problem, since, y'know, this game can ramble on without me.
Pieguyn is not on the usual town ball. That's important to notice.
Then again, neither am I.

One of Lush Life, GCBC(previously morph), Kise, Pie, and zMuffin is scum, if not more. Just lynch that list and we'll be gold.

Easy fuckin' peasy.
VOTE: GoodCopBadCop

Hey V, you're town but hoping one from a list of five is scum is not a good return.

Also saw this in hyper-skim.
the probability of at least 1 person being scum in a selection of 5 people is 1- P(no scum in 5 people) = 1 - (16*15*14*13*12)/(21*20*19*18*17) which is about 78.5%.
Assuming 5 man scum team and no other scum.

Okay, who invited the maths kid?

But seriously, let's say we pick those 5 and lynch through them. We hit 4 town and then find the scum. Is that a good return, Gaiden?

I mean I could pick 10 players and declare all 5 scum in there, but would it be a good return to lynch through them?

[Mac]

I need a break from this game

mod: V/LA till wednesday

I'm playing like complete shit and I need to reset. I'll join another large when someone teaches me how to actually play larges = =

This is a pretty believable follow up though. It fits with the shame of having missed something like that. I'm not sure the shame would be felt -only- by town though. At any rate his break makes sense now and I'm surprised some people gave him heat over it.

I don't buy it, I'm not sure why you are. Just as the heat was getting screwed up, he took off. It's not town-motivated at all.

[pieguyn]

what am I curious about is why pieguy thinks town-Dan has a priority to sort Kaze over players that he has experience with? Explanation needed there.

no my point was the internal logic behind his questioning held up. it felt like he was legitimately curious about Kaze and trying to sort through him

again, pieguy's iso's don't stand out and don't do nothing in the way of reads. "town, could be fakeable" - alot of idk's from him. Still scum, picking and choosing posts from an ISO to look busy.

I have GCBC, Kaze, Katarina, and previously bubbajack as scum and my null reads were posted somewhere. believe me, you're wasting your time here :>

[ActionDan]

The character fits an enabler of some sort, or possibly a vig based on the gun-arm. Certainly not a bomb.

yeah. when a character's theme is nuclear fusion, my first assumption is certainly not a bomb

check out 0:14 and 0:54 to see one of her abilities plus her ultimate (it's hard to miss).

In other news my guess is our mod has played this game.