Touhou: Mafia in the Land of Fantasy (Game Over)

[Kagami]

meh, I just change the &start=XXXX in the url to whatever I need. Half the time the post numbers come from memory or notes, and I'm too lazy to make them into links.

[Kagami]

Waiting on Dram before voting (secret oooo)

My current crazy theory is that dram has sex appeal. I'm in eager suspense as to what you're thinking~

btw, UNVOTE:

[Sakura Hana]

if you type

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it automatically links to that post in this thread like this
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So no need to remember post links as long as u remember the number.

[Kagami]

neat, learned something.

[bubbajack8]

We have conferred and are calling a Muffin/Nacho/Bubba scum team. Put money on it, put your momma on it, take it to the hole and slam that shit home. This game is a fucking wrap. Let's put the women and children to bed and go find some fucking dinner.

You're so off it's laughable.

Explain Nacho though

@kat

have you ever played with any of the heads of lush life? coz they're not shy about screaming for their preferred lynches when they're

not

sure of a read

(see D1 here, for example, although that was mostly majiffy)

- if they had a guilty on me, they wouldn't have let the AD wagon happen

and you keep ignoring the fact that someone has said mollie has had no issue with outing guilties in the past

use your head

See the problem here. Majiffy stepped away for a reason. He probably would have been screaming MUFFIN IS SCUM. But for obvious reasons and to protect theif didn't.

[dramonic]

vt, byakuren hijiri.
So yeah, obviously I've nothing to steal.

[Kagami]

I was hoping we'd see another bunny.

Here's a crazy theory, I don't think it's correct, but on the off chance it is, I want to point to this post-game~

Spoiler: Kagami is Krazy

Reisen is in the game, she has either a true redirection ability or the ability to make a cop temporarily insane (both fit flavor extremely well). The scum-team picked up that lush was copped and reisen zapped him. He was also motivated (by either scum or town).

He investigated AD and Muffin, getting a "guilty" on both, either through insanity or being redirected to scum. He wanted to lynch both day 2. AD came out with a guilty on CoK. Lush wondered if this was a bus gambit or maybe something was weird with his investigation (note, he unvoted, but did not jump on the CoK and wanted CoK to get his say in). CoK was quickly lynched and then Lush was killed before we got to learn more.

[Kagami]

Anyway, in reality land, we now know we don't have a vig, so there's an SK out there or scum can double kill.

If it's the latter case, I nominate Sakura for double killer given her flavor.

The former case is more likely though; I vote we lynch either muffin or a claimed VT in any case. I have a really hard time believing stage 6 bosses are VTs.

[Kagami]

Btw, byakuren should have her scroll. I'm kind of puzzled by that one.

[Nachomamma8]

I don't find Muffin's dismissive tone as anything particularly scummy. He pointed out that it's fairly obvious there was no guilty result (yes) and claimed.

i think you misinterpreted my point. the last sentence isn't what's really wrong there, although it is part of it

the second sentence is the problem. he's trying to subtly introduce the notion of investigating bubba being a viable move. by saying he'd investigate bubba like that, he's indirectly insinuating others would be likely to do the same thing. this is a manipulative tactic as opposde to just stating it directly

compare to this post in marketplace:

PV's issue with me came from something i said about seanald's advertising choice (austerity measures) and why it might have just been a move by dumb town rather than scum. he was cautious of this because a game we'd just finished, i was deliberately ignoring his points against my scum buddy and trying to make it seem like he didn't really have a case at all. he thought i was doing the same thing here for a scum buddy. that was... literally the entire reason PV was paranoid about me, and after a while he gave it up and simply declared a igmeou iirc. so the "similarity" he noticed isn't even really a similarity because seanald was town, lol.

here he says that PeregrineV's paranoia of him was unfounded, but instead of being direct about it, he slides it in at the end of the paragraph. he's indirectly addressing the point by retelling the story of PV's paranoia of him and insinuating it's not the same thing instead of just saying "it's wrong this is why". this is the same tactic

i'll never forget this post because it gave me really icky vibes and i didn't pursue it. that above post is doing the exact same thing =.=

I would also use both two shot trackers immediately. Why do you make the statement about GiF loving being misleading as a moderator? What games are you thinking of?

AA:MFA there was both a godfather and a ninja in the game (incidentally there was a tracker but it was mafia). the SK also had a 1-shot dayvig and could force a surprise LYLO although he said after the game this was unintentional
(offsite) Mistakes uPick there was a scum bus driver that was allowed to self target and it ended up fucking everybody over because he didn't tell the cop his target changed
this game bc there were 2 encryptors including one that was town (me)
so GIF is obviously the type of moderator who has no problem with putting misleading stuff like this in his games. I wouldn't put it past him to put a ninja without a tracker

I don't get your point re: 2975.

his statement about the pm being delayed is a lie and is intended to appeal to what he thought at the time was my situation (not receiving a PM yet)

nacho i'll be blunt. you know how good of a scum player zmuffin is. did it ever occur to you this is exactly why? he's dissipating the wagon on him by making everyone run around in circles. this is scum tactic 101 and it's what he's doing here. why the fuck are people so adverse to lynching a PR that used all its shots already? for fuck sake. if he's town then we lynched someone who's essentially vanilla and could easily fuck us over if scum. add to that that he's made some really sketchy reactions already and i don't see why this lynch hasn't gone through yet. unless you're scum defending him because you know your team will get fucked if he gets lynched, that'd explain a lot

Saying that Muffin was attempting to subtly introduce the notion of bubba being a possible investigate is a bit of a misrep; Kagami asked Muffin who he thought Lush investigated if not him, and then he brought forward bubba as a possibility (in fact, what seems to be the greater possibility). There wasn't Muffin subtly weaving the possibility of a bubba investigate into the minds of the town; Muffin was asked a question and he answered it. I don't understand your point about subtlety, though; why does being more subtle make someone scummier? Why is it more manipulative than outright stating something?

It's not a subtle tactic to restate someone's case; it's actually a protown tactic that condenses a wall of quotes into a paragraph. In this case, Peregrine's reasons for finding Muffin scum were bullshit, so Muffin wanted his rebuttal of the bullshit case to be easy to follow.

I see your point and acknowledge that Muffin is not town by virtue of being a tracker.

I don't think he would lie about GiF being slow about giving him a PM, and I don't think that you can confirm this as a lie enough to call him scum. It doesn't make him town, sure, but it's a fucking weak reason to call him scum.

I'm not defending him because he's a PR; you bringing that up in the first place shows that you aren't really paying attention to what I'm saying. The wagon on him also isn't disappearing because of Muffin's awesome manipulation, it's disappearing because someone is actually defending him, the lynch is based on bullshit and someone is finally pointing it out.

[Nachomamma8]

Although, awesomely enough, everyone is ignoring me pointing it out.

[Sakura Hana]

Nacho what are your thoughts about what Cabd stated of you being part of Amaranth Hydra.
Also what do you think about my theories.
What do you think of Kagami theories.

There's a lot more to comment on than pieguy's posts.

[Kagami]

^My theories are goofy. I'm happy with lynching on the basis of day 1/2 wagon analysis, imo.

[Kagami]

tbh, not imo >.>

[Nachomamma8]

So this kind of makes me wonder...

A: Why nacho directly lied about that if he's town.

B: Why nacho didn't break up the mollie-ffery fight if he's town.

A: I was an anonymous hydra. You find it alignment indicative that I lied that I was in an anonymous hydra? Why is that?

B: Show me where ffery broke down in thread and I was supposed to intervene and break my anonyminity. I briefly considered interrupting when I actually was in thread and you were being a colossal ass to mollie, but I didn't because I figured she could handle herself (and look, she did). Again, why do you think this is alignment indicative? I value both people as friends and if either were getting emotionally damaged through a fight and I could do something to stop that, I would regardless of alignment. It has never been my strategy as scum to dissolve friendships or allow friendships to be dissolved because those sort of things are the sorts of things I value more than I enjoy the game of mafia. This current line of suspicion is bullshit regardless of your alignment and I would appreciate you not making me seem like an absolute scumbag.

[Nachomamma8]

@ Sakura: this was the weirdest deadline Cabd post by far:

Uh guys once again i'd like to remind you that the claimed mason just said "no touching gaiden" so uh yeah.

Could it really be Cabd/Nacho/Muffin though?

- Des

No.
And maybe, if there's a townie bone in your body, you will look into Cabd after Muffin flips town.
I doubt you'll get me lynched, though.

[Nachomamma8]

So here's where I'm at atm.

Waynegg/Pie <-- conf town.
Kagame/MC/Muffin/Bubba <-- Town from strongest to weakest read.

Unsure on GCBC and Nacho atm, i'd like more feedback on my theory.

Everyone else is null at most until I read the rest of the game

PEd. Not sure, but for now i wanna lynch Nacho if he's truly scum motivator, that thing can hurt town badly.

I missed your theory. What was it again?

[Nachomamma8]

Also, if I could motivate to create a double kill, I would only be motivating scum. There is absolutely no reason to do otherwise.

[Kagami]

Nacho lynch is stupid. He has to throw out pro-town motivates regardless of alignment, may as well let him.

[Messiah Complex]

@ Sakura: this was the weirdest deadline Cabd post by far:

Uh guys once again i'd like to remind you that the claimed mason just said "no touching gaiden" so uh yeah.

Could it really be Cabd/Nacho/Muffin though?

- Des

No.
And maybe, if there's a townie bone in your body, you will look into Cabd after Muffin flips town.
I doubt you'll get me lynched, though.

Does your motivation target get to act twice immediately?

- Des

[Nachomamma8]

Actually, I don't. I have no more motivates. All I have left are visits.

[Kagami]

factional kill is factional, not a role. No way it's motivatable

[Kagami]

Any point to the visits? Are they compulsive or some such?

[Nachomamma8]

Yes.

[Nachomamma8]

@ Sakura: this was the weirdest deadline Cabd post by far:

Uh guys once again i'd like to remind you that the claimed mason just said "no touching gaiden" so uh yeah.

Could it really be Cabd/Nacho/Muffin though?

- Des

No.
And maybe, if there's a townie bone in your body, you will look into Cabd after Muffin flips town.
I doubt you'll get me lynched, though.

Does your motivation target get to act twice immediately?

- Des

I assume so.