Newbie 1471: Italian Ice (Game Over!)

[GuyInFreezer]

VC 1.18

pisskop (L-2):

Nachomamma8 | emeraldemon | Sakura Hana

bjc (L-3):

Lynch Me Bro | TierShift

emeraldemon (L-2):

RayFrost | bjc | pisskop

Not Voting:

fferyllt

The deadline is in Feburary 6, 5:00 PM EST.
Deadline counter: (expired on 2014-02-06 17:00:00)

[Sakura Hana]

little less than 2 days guys...

[fferyllt]

VOTE: Tiershift

[pisskop]

unvote
vote: tiershift

wagons! \o/

[fferyllt]

unvote
vote: tiershift

wagons! \o/

Why are you voting with your scumread?

[pisskop]

wagons = info.
wagons = power.
wagons = as useful now as they were in RVS.
wagons = pressure, unless somebody calls them out like this.

I wagoned emerald and I think he's towny. Imagine Tiershift now . . .

[pisskop]

I hope you have an agenda. Im wiling to see where it goes.

[fferyllt]

wagons = info.
wagons = power.
wagons = as useful now as they were in RVS.
wagons = pressure, unless somebody calls them out like this.

I wagoned emerald and I think he's towny. Imagine Tiershift now . . .

Then why did you find fault with ika's approach to wagons?

[pisskop]

Wagoning itself wasn't a fault I claimed he had. In fact, I originally read bjc as town

despite

his shameless wagoning/sheeping.

[fferyllt]

its my playstyle to flipflop on reads, to L-1 IC in a gambity manner, and to repeatedly post yoyr intent to lynch several characters d2?
gtfofh with that. raytown expressed similar sentiment at that.

im not scum yo, i just play in a scummy fashion with several dubious wordgames that provide plently of emotional juice. you are scummy. if I am scum, display your logic. cold hard logic.

Pregame RVS, oddity, Flip-flops on read,

IC vote to L-1

, hops madly speculating about D2 lynches, several emotionally based games and the whole dubious playstyle defense. His playstyle gets him only so far.

[bjc]

unvote; vote: pisskop

Screw it. fferyllt, mind hammering? Or should I switch to Tier?

[fferyllt]

I probably won't want to hammer anyone before I have a chance to talk with Nacho in this game, now that I'm caught up.

[pisskop]

The worst that happens is he gets quickhammered and we pounce on the hammerer tomorrow. the best is you were wrong and we lynch you as scum. In between I discover Im a sillyhead and change my read appropriately.

pedit. Yea, I had an issue with the way he L-1'd nacho, without any real security against a quickhammer.

ppedit

Spoiler:

nacho and bjc are probable towns

/discuss

Why did you move your vote to abbott?

why do you care is the bigger question here?

Really? You don't care?

His first vote might have been random, hard to say, but switching votes definitely isn't.

so you say a second vote is never rvs?

so right now if i went like this

unvote
vote nacho

would it be a random vote or not? im askign why you care about his sudden vote switch to anohter player who is not you. if the vote was on you i could see more reasoning, but you just going "???" is offsetting

its a second vote near begining of game, why should i care?

if this was maybe mid day 1 or day 2 then i would but here i dont see anything odd. im wanting to know why you think its odd

VOTE: nacho

this is l-1, his coasting nature and trying to stay null at first looked like to me as an IC play but is more biassed of a reason and he should actually not be doing so and legitimately coming out to help. Also after ISOing him, his post stick out to me as scum for what they say.

This flip flop and poorly-timed vote looks like a bus to me. Part of why I am weary of nacho.
So yea. I don't consider it bad because its a wagon.

[emeraldemon]

I would vote tiershift, but I think I still prefer pisskop.

@pisskop
ffery's not getting lynched today so forget that for now. I know you're trying to save your own skin, give me your best "tiershift is scum" case.

[fferyllt]

You're wrong about ika. And there's no "we" behind you. One of the reasons you're not hammered and this game day isn't over right now, is because I weigh evidence and I look for town motivation behind crazy play.

[pisskop]

@emerald

You are already voting me. Not going to get any worse from you.

Fact is somebody's getting lynched and I never held high hopes for this spot.

[pisskop]

@fferylt If you think im town your vote would be better served elsewhere.

[emeraldemon]

@pisskop
What I'm saying is that you could still convince me that you're more likely town than tiershift is, so might as well try. I assume ffery will at some point also. From my point of view the likely outcomes in the next two days are

(1) you get hammered
(2) someone convinces me that you're town (or tiershift is worse) and I vote/hammer tiershift instead.

Not saying no other outcomes are possible, but this is what feels the most likely to me.

[pisskop]

fine. Im looking him over anyway. Because stuff I cant say.

[fferyllt]

@fferylt If you think im town your vote would be better served elsewhere.

You say you're scumreading me, yet here you're appealing to me as town.

I don't think this is necessarily scummy. I'm just pointing out that your messages about/to me are pretty mixed.

[pisskop]

That's me trying to save my arse by working with the devil. If both scum support my lynch than its likely going through. maybe I need to stop thinking of mafia as a political game.

[bjc]

You don't think your flip helps the town?

[pisskop]

Not really, and not as much as yours.

What will you learn if I die? If I was scum.

[pisskop]

In the meantime do you have questions for tier? He seems busy lately, but surely. . .

Like his earlier Rayfrost reads. I want them forward. restated or updated.

[GuyInFreezer]

Lynch Me Bro have failed to pick up the prod so he will be replaced. Deadline is paused until I get a replacement or lynch happens.