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Post Post #75 (ISO) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 8:57 am

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Bazinga: these were the questions Mala ninja'd me on. The reason I found that a good sign at the time had nothing to do with meta, but with her sharing a reasonably similar thought process:
In post 38, Malakittens wrote:
In post 33, bazinga wrote:
In post 31, Malakittens wrote:Mina y so serious.
can some1 help why is mala getting weird on me and talking to confscum

does anyone disagree on mina thing as scum
Also you should be able to answer why I'm getting weird on you.

Can you explain why you aren't voting this confscum?
In post 71, bazinga wrote:I've noticed that you pay really close attention to when people disappear for a few hours. Is this how you keep other players engaged? What purpose do these call-outs serve?
50% pressure, 50% impatience.
Hanzo_5 wrote:This game had a daystart. Assuming investigative roles do not have day powers, logic dictates your guilty on yourself is nothing more than a rvs vote.

Why are you so insistent on getting a reaction, specifically, from me, based on post ?
70% my own trollish entertainment, 30% the off-chance "have you missed there's role information confirming someone's guilt? Omigod, you're so scummy for not reading the game!" had of getting either a really townie or really scummy reaction if you were very oblivious.
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Post Post #76 (ISO) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 9:14 am

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EBWOP: I forgot to quote Mala's question to Hanzo above. In retrospect, both were really obvious questions to ask, though.

Osseus, why did you unvote ToastyToast when you did without moving to someone else? Thoughts on moving back to ToastyToast?
In post 63, Osseus pseudotripodis wrote: I almost voted Hanzo (
the hydra vote was abysmal and safe
, and I don't like how he disappeared when he did), but I'm giving a temporary
newbie
never-heard-of-him pass that will last until page four. Everyone else who's posted aside from notscience and Osseus looks townish (ask and I'll explain why--kind of wavering on bazinga).
What makes the hydra vote "safe"? He gave a serious sounding reason for his vote, and a bad one at that. That stance on hydrae, especially if it continues is going to draw attention.[/quote]
The whole reason it draws attention to him is because it's a bad reason for a vote...so that's circular logic. It's safe because he's voting based on an objective alignment-independent fact rather than subjective reasons from their posting. But now that it's page four, I don't particularly want to vote Hanzo_5, anyway.
Man do I dislike votes without reasons. Talk to me. Is this your serious vote or your 'RVS'?
I'm assuming this is T-Bone. Have you ever played with CES before?

Speaking of which, Ampersand, why didn't you make the obvious expected vote from your slot?
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Post Post #77 (ISO) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 9:22 am

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We agreed that we would, but I was too lazy to count (probably in part because it seemed like the right vote anyway) and I thought I had made that play.
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Post Post #78 (ISO) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 10:10 am

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In post 66, ToastyToast wrote:I will say that I think Mina/Chamber posts are just two experienced scum-hunters trying to figure out how the other is playing.
This is clearly incorrect.[/quote]
How So?
In post 70, Ghatokaca wrote: I dislike ToastyToast's . Toasty, if they are experienced players, would they not be comfortable putting themselves out there as scum?
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More times than not, the attitude both Mina and Chambers have had throughout their discussion would come from town. I'm really experienced too, and I know that there is no reason to put a target on your back early. Obviously scum CAN and DO play aggressively. Its a matter of how this aggression is presented. I see aggressive scum as hopping into an argument and starting shit, rather than creating one themselves.
In post 74, Mina wrote:Also, ToastyToast, I'd TOTALLY put myself out this much as scum.
I am aware that this is a possibility. But statistically speaking, its more town than scum.
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Post Post #79 (ISO) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 10:15 am

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Don't mind me, just going to fluffpost until I get called scummy for it
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Post Post #80 (ISO) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 11:20 am

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Vote Count 1.2


Mina (2) - Chamber, Ampersand
Medea the Alien (2) - Zdenek, Mina
Malakittens (2) - notscience, Broseidon
bazinga (1) - hanzo_5


Not Voting (6):
Bazinga, Ghatokaca, malakittens, Medea the Alien, Osseus pseudotripodis, ToastyToast,


With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.


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Post Post #81 (ISO) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 11:28 am

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In post 78, ToastyToast wrote:I see aggressive scum as hopping into an argument and starting shit, rather than creating one themselves.
Why? This distinction seems arbitrary.

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Post Post #82 (ISO) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 11:46 am

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In post 55, Medea the Alien wrote:I vaguely like that Hanzo_5 basically made two RVS votes. Not sure why mollie's atypically ceding D1 hydra control to Bert, and hydra head impersonation shenanigans don't help.
In post 41, chamber wrote:And then NK me so that I'm in fewer games.
Don't love this. Nothing I can put my finger on. Cabd's probably going to have a better handle on him for now though.

Mina, null or scum on Osseus?

Mala's about as town as I've ever seen her.

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I actually thought it was Mollie because she was around posting elsewhere. Which really mindfucks any read I wanted to throw on that slot. I hate mindgames in general.

I don't take much into that quote from Chamber, tbf. Maybe for me it's knowing how he plays from a hydra or just in general. (I can go more in depth here if you like.)
In post 56, Mina wrote:
Malakittens:


1) What do you disagree on re: Medea and bazinga? I don't think I ever committed to a read on bazinga (it's pending on how they answer some questions).

2) Please elaborate:
In post 52, Malakittens wrote:I think it was genuinely Mollie, but I'm now questioning it also. I can sometimes be right or wrong on reading her in forum mafia and this post by Bert makes me question whatever I had been feeling on the slot in general.
This whole thing is really vague and hedging. What had you "been feeling on the slot" before Bert's post? Also, "I can sometimes be right or wrong on reading her" is completely meaningless.

3) You're adorable. Just thought you should know. <3
1. I disagree on Medea because I can sometimes read PA half better than I could ever read the cabd half of the hydra. Cabd being trolly in his OP isn't something I see as alignment indicative. (However my past experience in trying to read PA went sour because I recently mislynched her Day 1 in a completed game because I thought her lurking when she was posting elsewhere was alignment indicative of her being scum and only appearing after I called her out on it.) So basically Medea is null to me rather than how you have them leaning scum.

2. You will probably see that a lot when it comes to Mollie also. I tend to hedge a lot on my read to her because she's recently been able to impersonate her town meta into her scum meta. I do *think* I might have two recent new scum tells of hers, but I need to wait in order to prove them. One of the things Bert did (more specially post made me pretty sure that was Mollie posting in general. Mollie has a tendency to post like that when it comes to me. I was pretty sure she was town based on p1 and up to the point before Bert posted what he posted. You say that me saying "I could be right or wrong on reading her" is meaningless to you, but it's not and it's 100% true. Most recent scum game of Mollie I basically defended her from a lynch because I was pretty damn sure she was town and it's not the first time I have done that either so I do know for sure she's pretty good at fooling me and I like to poke at her before declaring a super read on her. (Paranoia I guess.)

3. You are adorable too<3.
In post 58, Ampersand wrote:
Vote: Mina


For future reference, all of our posts will be made jointly, which does mean we won't be posting during working hours.
Not really liking the naked vote.
In post 64, BROseidon wrote: by Mala and the tailend of about "why hydra x" is bad and should feel bad.
In post 29, Medea the Alien wrote:/confirm exactly 1,531 mason points with Bro
Obligatory fakeclaiming masons with Cabd. Too bad kuribo/DGB aren't in the game.

Rest of Mina interactions read okay.

Chamber's probably town.

VOTE: EVIL KITTIES
Why is the post bad, is it because you think I read too much into it? I get annoyed when people call out hydras in general and it's not like this game isn't full of hydras because it is. The vote looked lazy as fuck on Bert/Mollie.
In post 65, Hanzo_5 wrote: @Malakittens, why is post stupid?

Yes I realize there is more than one hydra playing.
First you voted lazy, imo. Second, you came into this game knowing there was hydra's. I'm kinda interested to see if you have had this hydra hate in prior games of yours or if it's just a new thing. Third, I was townreading that hydra at the time so it felt off.

I just hated the fact you singled that hydra out.
In post 68, bazinga wrote:Sorry guys, my brain was fried last night and I was messing around.
In post 52, Malakittens wrote:I think it was genuinely Mollie, but I'm now questioning it also.
Those post were precisely what I would say if I were impersonating Mollie, and I just wanted to have a little fun at the beginning. Regrettably, it is true Mollie has not posted in this game yet.
In post 56, Mina wrote:Mala just doesn't strike me as a particularly confident or vocal player in general.
From past games, I know that she can be rather confident if she thinks she's right.
In post 38, Malakittens wrote:Can you explain why you aren't voting this confscum?
It was my signal that I knew he/she was joking about the investigation results. Instead of pointing out how there was no N0 and that scum don't scumclaim like that, I played along and waited to see how people would dismiss his/her case on his/herself.
Yeah, I kinda want to hate your guts for impersonating her. I hate mindgames which has already been stated. I tend to use early pages to read out Mollie than in later pages and you kinda fucked it up for me. Now with my luck, I'll be questioning which head is posting for the reminder of the game.

Yeah; so you basically used Mina's posts the same way I was to gauge reactions of others.
In post 70, Ghatokaca wrote:Penguin, what about Mala seems town to you?

Malakittens, why do you refer to yourself as "lynchbait?" I got the opposite impression from your play in the only game we played together.

So far, I am getting townvibes from Mina. I don't think the gambit makes her town or scum, but I feel that her posts and analysis since then are advancing the gamestate, and the way she is giving out reads and questioning players feels genuine.

I dislike ToastyToast's . Toasty, if they are experienced players, would they not be comfortable putting themselves out there as scum?

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I haven't been playing well in recent games and I'm pretty easily seen as lynchbait. (at least in my opinion.) I have my own difference of opinion in that game because I played really bad by pushing a lynch on a player because I thought he was scum and then letting one scum off the hook and not knowing which way to go when you/Nacho&Bert were arguing.

I also *thought* I was responding to Mollie and I *thought* she was referencing a f2f mafia joke rather than a site joke because unless I was a mason I was lynched in most games in F2F mafia during the reckoning.
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Post Post #83 (ISO) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 12:16 pm

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mala is town and so is penny yaye!

also I thought i did post in this game but sincerely mebbe I haven't.
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Post Post #84 (ISO) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 12:23 pm

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In post 83, bazinga wrote:mala is town and so is penny yaye!

also I thought i did post in this game but sincerely mebbe I haven't.
Mollie (I think?) can you explain the Peng read? I'm worried about the early townread of the slot because the first post by Peng doesn't stick much out for me other than the really early post because she tends to lurk out Day 1 before posting as either alignment..
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Post Post #85 (ISO) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 12:33 pm

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HI MOLLIE
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Post Post #86 (ISO) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 12:34 pm

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penny hedges a good bit in her reads as scum. I am not the best at reading her admittedly, but I like how she said you were town and the manner in which she said it.
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Post Post #87 (ISO) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 12:35 pm

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In post 85, notscience wrote:HI MOLLIE
HI NOTTY! <3
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Post Post #88 (ISO) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 12:35 pm

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In post 85, notscience wrote:HI MOLLIE
Can you do something productive?

Like maybe say comment on things that have happened...

Like for starters:

Hanzo's vote.
Mina's reaction tests.
Bert's posts.
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Post Post #89 (ISO) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 12:37 pm

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NOTTY MALA WANTS TO SEE YOU TURN ON THAT HIGH-POWERED SCUMDAR THAT YOU HAVE COS SHE DIDN'T BELIEVE ME WHEN I TRIED TO TELL HER ABOUT HOW YOU SLAUGHTERED SCUM IN SKYPE SO CAN DO THAT AND MAKE HER HAPPY? TY <3
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Post Post #90 (ISO) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 12:39 pm

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In post 89, bazinga wrote:NOTTY MALA WANTS TO SEE YOU TURN ON THAT HIGH-POWERED SCUMDAR THAT YOU HAVE COS SHE DIDN'T BELIEVE ME WHEN I TRIED TO TELL HER ABOUT HOW YOU SLAUGHTERED SCUM IN SKYPE SO CAN DO THAT AND MAKE HER HAPPY? TY <3
What are you talking about?
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Post Post #91 (ISO) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 12:40 pm

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In post 65, Hanzo_5 wrote:SNIP

@Osseus pseudotripodis, Why is this reason bad?

SNIP
Let's ignore the fact that there are 6 hydras for a moment. What does you not liking hydras have anything to do with lynching scum? You say "I don't like hydras I'm gonna vote for them heyyay!!!" What does that say about your goals in the game. Are you actually looking for scum? Or were you hoping you could parlay your "hate" of hydras into...REASONS?? What makes your reason so bad, actually so WRONG, is that a hydra slot has nothing to do with being scum. All the hydras were hydras well before they ever got their role PM. If your "hate" is not going to net us scum, then it has no place here.
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Post Post #92 (ISO) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 12:44 pm

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Yes ma'am

Hanzo's vote is meh. While I don't think it's particularly scummy, it's anti town. It could evolve into scummy if he continually uses it to VCA dodge.

Bert's posts remind me of people like (Sakura, Nacho) who just get shits and giggles out of it. I haven't seen his super secret towntell yet, but I didn't really expect to early in D1.

Mina's reaction test and the reads she got out of said test seem genuine. I'm giving her a leaning-town read for now.
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Post Post #93 (ISO) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 12:44 pm

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In post 90, Malakittens wrote:
In post 89, bazinga wrote:NOTTY MALA WANTS TO SEE YOU TURN ON THAT HIGH-POWERED SCUMDAR THAT YOU HAVE COS SHE DIDN'T BELIEVE ME WHEN I TRIED TO TELL HER ABOUT HOW YOU SLAUGHTERED SCUM IN SKYPE SO CAN DO THAT AND MAKE HER HAPPY? TY <3
What are you talking about?
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Post Post #94 (ISO) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 12:49 pm

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In post 76, Mina wrote:SNIP

Osseus, why did you unvote ToastyToast when you did without moving to someone else? Thoughts on moving back to ToastyToast?

SNIP
Man do I dislike votes without reasons. Talk to me. Is this your serious vote or your 'RVS'?
I'm assuming this is T-Bone. Have you ever played with CES before?

SNIP
1) I just felt like it, no reason really. However, I'll get back to Toasty in a moment, working through things one at a time.

2) I might have, if you want to say that he does those things that's fine. In general I find that too many players give votes without reasons, and it's not only bad, but it makes it easier for scum to make votes without reasons and get away with it.
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Post Post #95 (ISO) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 12:54 pm

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In post 78, ToastyToast wrote:SNIP
In post 70, Ghatokaca wrote: I dislike ToastyToast's . Toasty, if they are experienced players, would they not be comfortable putting themselves out there as scum?
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More times than not, the attitude both Mina and Chambers have had throughout their discussion would come from town. I'm really experienced too, and I know that there is no reason to put a target on your back early. Obviously scum CAN and DO play aggressively. Its a matter of how this aggression is presented. I see aggressive scum as hopping into an argument and starting shit, rather than creating one themselves.
In post 74, Mina wrote:Also, ToastyToast, I'd TOTALLY put myself out this much as scum.
I am aware that this is a possibility.
But statistically speaking, its more town than scum
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Re: Bolded. Ummm what? This is a meaningless statement. The rest of the post is also unhelpful. "So town can play this way...but also scum can too". Great, what did we learn? That scum and town can play in similar manners? I think we can safely say just about everyone knows this. So then this post boils down to typing a whole lot of words without saying anything. What insight am I, the prospective reader of this post, supposed to take from this?
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Post Post #96 (ISO) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 1:04 pm

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I would like to see competing wagons on Hanzo and Medea.
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Post Post #97 (ISO) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 1:05 pm

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What?
Taking a break from the site.
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Post Post #98 (ISO) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 1:06 pm

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I think it's pretty clear.
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Post Post #99 (ISO) » Wed Feb 05, 2014 1:10 pm

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For those of us without glasses, clear it up anyway please.
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