Newbie 1471: Italian Ice (Game Over!)

[GuyInFreezer]

VC 3.01

Nachomamma8 (L-1):

Wisdom | pisskop

pisskop (L-2):

Nachomamma9

Not Voting:

fferyllt, Sakura Hana

With 5 alive, 3 votes to lynch.

The deadline is March 3, 4:45 PM EST.
Countdown: (expired on 2014-03-03 16:45:00)

[Nachomamma8]

I doubt Sakura would make the kill because she respects ffery and might shoot ffery, plus ffery correctly suspects her. She could shoot you or me and likely leverage one of us against the other; I haven't showed many signs of being willing to vote you and I'm also a pretty proficient expert in not getting lynched because of shitty tunnels, but you dying during the night after yesterday means that I look significantly worse and you're not around to flip flop and tunnel her.

Does this argument say that Sakura is too experienced to shoot bjc? Because I certainly didn't use that word anywhere. Instead, it points out how she has significant meta threats elsewhere.

[Wisdom]

ffery is barely scumreading anyone, all she is doing is sitting there telling me not to tunnel. If I wasn't that sure the slot is town, I would be actually worrying about her. She's not a threat for Sakura.
She could shoot you or me? Scum would be stupid to do that, why shoot one of us instead of keeping us around to fight?
That's a very weak reason for why Sakura isn't scum. She still isn't, but all of this is weak.

[Nachomamma8]

so you think sakura as scum would have shot bjc last night, in other words

[Wisdom]

Things are simple. bjc agreed with my lynchlist (Ray, Nacho, pisskop) but wanted to replace pisskop with Sakura.
What does this mean? bjc both wouldn't mind lynching Nacho and wouldn't support a pisskop lynch.
Now who could he want him dead because of these?

[Nachomamma8]

Can we PLEASE kill 'kop tomorrow?

i'm sure bjc wasn't willing to lynch pisskop
i'm sure of it

[Nachomamma8]

unless by "kill" he meant "keep on a pedestal as the towniest town who ever lived".
which is plausible in Wisdom's tunnelworld, I suppose.

[Wisdom]

That was post-hammer. If he was wifoming with scum about the setup, "scumreading" kop could also be wifom.

[Nachomamma8]

That was post-hammer. If he was wifoming with scum about the setup, "scumreading" kop could also be wifom.

[Nachomamma8]

What's the deal with 'Frost doe? Is this vote because he's quiet? Or do you think he just parked his vote on his buddy early and coasted through the previous day?

I currently feel he's a less horrible lynch than alternatives proposed.

Then join me.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: pisskop

[Nachomamma8]

It should be noted that pisskop is always scummy in my eyes, so I'm willing to wagon him too if the town sheeps Nacho's vote.

[Nachomamma8]

What questions Hayate? I'm sure most of them were already addressed.

bjc, why is pisskop scum? And what are your feelings on Sakura at the moment?

And I know that you've given some reasons why Tier was scum in your ISO, but if you could make that argument too that would be great. I'm waiting for a compelling case on that slot that I'm just not seeing.

Literally everything pisskop ever posts comes across as scum to me.

As for Tier, like you said I've posted on him before. If you don't find it compelling... That's fine for me, because at this point in day one I'm pretty much down to 'kop, TS, and ED.

[Nachomamma8]

Ugh, pisskop is still alive.

[Nachomamma8]

unvote; vote: pisskop

Screw it. fferyllt, mind hammering? Or should I switch to Tier?

[Nachomamma8]

Yes, kill it with fire.

Is it just me or you want to kill everything with fire.

I want to kill TS, ED, or pisskop.... fire may or may not be involved.

[Wisdom]

How about we take pisskop out of Wisdom's proposed plan

and substitute Sakura into it? We can start with her, then progress to RF, then Nacho/player three.

Hey Nacho, look! This is after everything you are quoting and just before the hammer!

[Nachomamma8]

i'm sure that one part where he goes against his established reads for one post for absolutely no reason is the part that is his true belief and the rest is wifom

[Wisdom]

Reads change, and pisskop was pretty town around that time, so..

[fferyllt]

ffery is barely scumreading anyone, all she is doing is sitting there telling me not to tunnel. If I wasn't that sure the slot is town, I would be actually worrying about her. She's not a threat for Sakura.
She could shoot you or me? Scum would be stupid to do that, why shoot one of us instead of keeping us around to fight?
That's a very weak reason for why Sakura isn't scum. She still isn't, but all of this is weak.

Sakura and I would have very similar motivations for NKs if we were scum in this game.

I got the lynch I wanted on day 1 even though someone hammered before I checked back in by phone. If I had a strong direction I wanted to go at the moment, I'd be going there. I don't. Sakura was a non-presence on day 2 and I want a lot more input from her before I decide what I'm doing today.

You can talk about how I'll follow you eventually, but it's just talk. I'll come to my own conclusion today and I'll push the lynch that suits my conclusion.

This is diametrically opposed to what I'd be doing as scum with Nacho sitting at L-1.

[Nachomamma8]

and you think sakura would see that one quote and go "oh, bjc is a threat, he's been in my corner all game and he's wanted pisskop dead all game but that one quote means he doesn't hold these beliefs at all and is a threat". because i don't.

[Nachomamma8]

and i guess i don't because i have the privilege of residing outside the doors to Wisdom's tunnel mansion

[Nachomamma8]

Reads change, and pisskop was pretty town around that time, so..

reads change in a split second for absolutely no reason and then they change for one post before you start WIFOMing the opposite read?
nope

[Wisdom]

and you think sakura would see that one quote and go "oh, bjc is a threat, he's been in my corner all game and he's wanted pisskop dead all game but that one quote means he doesn't hold these beliefs at all and is a threat". because i don't.

Nope
You probably missed who I meant when I asked who would want bjc dead

[Wisdom]

Reads change, and pisskop was pretty town around that time, so..

reads change in a split second for absolutely no reason and then they change for one post before you start WIFOMing the opposite read?
nope

Yup actually
"Can we just kill kop tomorrow" in twilight is an excellent way of making scum not kill him

[Nachomamma8]

WASTIN' AWAY HERE IN WISDOM'S TUNNELVILLE
WAITIN' FOR HIM TO SEE THAT I'M TOWN (THAT I'M TOWN THAT I'M TOWN THAT I'M TOWN)
SOME PEOPLE SAY THAT THERE'S A LYNCHEE TO BLAME
BUT I KNOW
THAT IT'S ALL WISDOM'S FAULT