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Post Post #175 (ISO) » Fri Feb 28, 2014 8:30 pm

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In post 143, Porkens wrote:
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What is this? Two town reads are on your paranoia VIG shot list. Do you read us as town or not? If yes, what's the purpose of a VIG list comprised of your town members. Oh and forgive me, didn't you're charter specifically exclude paranoia? And since it did, and you wrote it, and are giving in, what was the purpose in the first place.

( also, thank you very much for being paranoid of us if you actually are, I could name at least one or two who should actually cause you paranoia but I'm self absorbed and love being mentioned.)
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Post Post #176 (ISO) » Fri Feb 28, 2014 8:31 pm

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In post 154, HighShroomish wrote:awesome- I gave two posts with different reactions to the charter. The first was a reaction to why he would have made the charter if he was scum- as a way to keep scum alive. The second was a reaction to the town reason- honestly wanting to make play better. The first is just blown off. The second, on the other hand, is treated like a muddy raccoon.
I don't think the first post was just blown off. Rather, it's the difference between your first two posts that I suspected you for. Also, from your first post:
In post 41, HighShroomish wrote:There are two reasons why I think you might really be doing this. And I'm not liking the town one so far.
Are you then claiming that the "town reason" you are referring to here was the reason you gave in your second post? Because why not just come out and say it here?
In post 174, awesomeusername wrote:I'm not nearly convinced he's scum, but I'm willing to join the wagon if we're trying to pressure him into posting. I'd much prefer a replacement to a lynch if we ever get to that point, though.
Agree with this regarding Surye. Avoiding the game and posting elsewhere is a mild scumtell, but that's literally all that the case is based on right now.

If we're going to pressure people who are posting elsewhere but not here, I'd look at LMS first and foremost. His first two posts in this game were pretty sketchy.
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Post Post #177 (ISO) » Fri Feb 28, 2014 8:36 pm

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HEY KDUB - what do you think about the push on shroom guy and uh hiplop?
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Post Post #178 (ISO) » Fri Feb 28, 2014 9:17 pm

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Well I started the push on HS, so obviously I agree with it. I have no issue with Porkens' or Quill's vote on him. Your vote seemed like more of a "let's make a wagon and see what happens" than legitimate suspicion. I mean, that's not the greatest justification, but it seems legitimate given your reaction to HS's most recent posts, and I've generally felt good about your slot, so it doesn't bother me.

Not a big fan of hiplop's play so far. He had a ??? reason for suspecting me (which he still hasn't addressed) and has done no scumhunting outside of that post. I'd probably put him as my third scumread behind HS and LMS.
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Post Post #179 (ISO) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 12:35 am

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In post 171, Hadrian wrote:So, I'm not going to pretend that I know either head of the morph hydra super well, but if the person who was posting tonight as if they were arrogance personified is actually ffery, I will be on your hydras ass like white on rice. Yes, I'm using something that lame to describe how much I'm watching your ass.

Basically here's the thing I hate half your posts and I like half your posts. THE PROBLEM? The only posts I love are the ones where ffery waxes self metals about her scum game. I like those. Those lol me into thinking maybe you're a little lamb. Every other post? I see evil Lipitor daggers shooting out. Though you know what? If this lets ignore the game in all it's entirety, suyrye is scum, you're probably town. So maybe congrats there.
The only post I made last night, I introduced myself to Shroom.

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Post Post #180 (ISO) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 1:36 am

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Vote Count 1.06:

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch!

LastManStanding (L-7):
morph the cat (L-6): Madotsuki
Madotsuki (L-7):
Porkens (L-6): 1baldeagle1
Quill (L-7):
SpyreX (L-7):
HighShroomish (L-4): Kdub, Quill, Porkens
hiplop (L-6): Spyrex,
awesomeusername (L-7):
Kdub (L-7):
Surye (L-4): morph the cat, Hadrian, awesomeusername
1baldeagle1 (L-7):
Hadrian (L-7):

Not Voting: LastManStanding, HighShroomish, Surye, hiplop

V/LA: Surye through 3/2

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Post Post #181 (ISO) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 4:00 am

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In post 36, morph the cat wrote:Other head here. I think that the procedure and process of putting together, agreeing on and enforcing a charter would give scum a lot of room for posting stuff that doesn't move the game state forward. I also think it would be a rare charter group that could avoid being infiltrated by at least one scum.
I agree with this.
With the charter there's something amiss.
In post 26, Porkens wrote:Madotsuki, I think we should hang everyone who looks like scum, and I think going through the process of drafting the charter will help us figure out who isn't helpful and needs to die first.
So tell me what you've gleaned
from this drafting process.
For all that you've dreamed
All I see is a mess.

This is all a huge distraction
from elimination of that evil faction.

Still, you seem town
for putting this charter down.
If you were scum you wouldn't try,
you would just use the normal lie.
In post 93, Hadrian wrote:Here's the problem. All of you are just talking the magna carta redux. And talking about the charter, no matter what position you take, is the most alignment irrelevant thing. It's not scumhunting. You can't actually get an accurate read on someone based on whether or not they agreed with the charter. I'm especially disappointed with the morph hydra for actually admitting that they have early town reads on the people who agrees with the charter. Like that is the most shallow of "scumhunting" there is.
Thank you
For saying what I was thinking too.
In post 93, Hadrian wrote:And that brings me to porkens, who I'd really love to write off as town right now, but the thing is that he could have totally thought of the charter before had and just decided to keep it.
You think that's so,
that he'd give it a go?
In post 140, hiplop wrote:
In post 128, SpyreX wrote:I could get behind suyre but

@Hiplop:

Explain how you get from your first post to that post in your head.
uh...reading? first post was rvs iirc
Can someone explain what hiplop is trying to say?
Surely there's one out there who knows of a way.
In post 154, HighShroomish wrote:awesome- I gave two posts with different reactions to the charter. The first was a reaction to why he would have made the charter if he was scum- as a way to keep scum alive. The second was a reaction to the town reason- honestly wanting to make play better. The first is just blown off. The second, on the other hand, is treated like a muddy raccoon.
In what way does this make sense?
Your posting manner seems devilish
And so as a consequence
Vote: HighShroomish


Why you would divide your responses so
is a complete mystery to me.
This explanation seems made up, you know.
I will await your demise gladly.
In post 159, morph the cat wrote:I personally found your replies in 154 and 156 to be genuine-town as fuck, and my other head agrees.
In post 160, Hadrian wrote:I do agree that highshroomish looks town though.
I trust you two, to some extent.
But I do not know how you went
and found a town read on High Shroomish
for whom you should have a doom wish.
In post 164, HighShroomish wrote:Ah, yes, because having a grand total of six posts over the past two days means he is definetely ignoring the thread. Definitely not lurking elsewhere.
You do have this right.
I doubt there is a secret to bring to light.
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Post Post #182 (ISO) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 5:27 am

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In post 175, Hadrian wrote:
In post 143, Porkens wrote:
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What is this? Two town reads are on your paranoia VIG shot list. Do you read us as town or not? If yes, what's the purpose of a VIG list comprised of your town members. Oh and forgive me, didn't you're charter specifically exclude paranoia? And since it did, and you wrote it, and are giving in, what was the purpose in the first place.

( also, thank you very much for being paranoid of us if you actually are, I could name at least one or two who should actually cause you paranoia but I'm self absorbed and love being mentioned.)
This is another thing I've sort of been trying out. After I sortthe player list into those I want to lynch vs those I don't really want to lynch, I go through and gut the people in each category. I chose the one that I'm less certain about and put then in my paranoia list. I think this adds another dimension to my reads. I really want to trust you, but I'm also afraid of that. Does that make sense?

I don't think the mafia carta excluded paranoia, did it? Anyway, I was just spitballing most of those anyway in the hopes of inspiring people to hammer out the particulars with me. Finally, I'm don't think I've given in on anything. I still hope people come around and want to do it with me. I'm just done advertising it.
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Post Post #183 (ISO) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 5:28 am

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Sorry for the shitty grammar and spelling. iPad.
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Post Post #184 (ISO) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 5:39 am

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In post 182, Porkens wrote:I really want to trust you, but I'm also afraid of that. Does that make sense?
Not hugely. But I'm not really a big fan of listing reads on all the players if your reads aren't really that strong to begin with.
In post 182, Porkens wrote:I don't think the mafia carta excluded paranoia, did it?
Explicitly, no, but you did promote the charter as an alternative to "wallow[ing] in the same paranoid, one-upsmanshipping bluffing posturing bullshit", which is presumably what confused Tammy :P.

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Post Post #185 (ISO) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 6:04 am

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I can appreciate your position. Like I said, it's something I've only started trying out recently. I want to look at the player list as a whole rather than picking out individuals in isolation, so that I don't forget to analyze anyone. I do want to commit to a complete read at that moment, and the big spectrum helps me do that. Saying "not sure about him" or "need to get more from them" is like giving a movie a 3/5, it's too in the middle. However, I also want to capture the uncertainty I feel at that moment, too. Hence, the paranoia bucket.

That's what I thought. I was mid-rant and throwing out negative adjectives. Of course, there could be a no paranoia clause in the mafia carta if the members wanted there to be...
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Post Post #186 (ISO) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 7:31 am

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In post 147, Porkens wrote:
In post 145, hiplop wrote:
If "bad players" and "good players" have an equal chance of being scum, why wouldn't you want to lynch the bad players first?

If we punish anti-town to the point where they are forced to be pro-town, what is the problem?
...because of exactly that reason. Its better to have a bad townie than a great scum
This is starting to border on the absurd. Your agrument, taken to it's logical conclusion, is that we should lynch all the "good players" first. I'll try one more time and then I'm giving up: You are looking at 2 people in a game, one of them is a "bad player" who lurks, lolposts, and hides behind his shitmeta, and the other is a "good player" who contributes, offers reads, investigates, and scumhunts. For whatever reasons, they are both equally scummy. As a matter of general policy, who would you want lynched?

You didn't answer the second question.
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Yeah, I was waiting for him to finish answering my questions (121, 137), but this is a good idea.
Vote: HighShroomish

I'm sorry, what? How the fuck does that connect? No, I'm saying lynching people based on their ability is just silly. It distracts the town (ergo why your stupid charter idea has literally been the only real topic of discussion all game. THERE IS SCUM MOTIVATION THERE)
In post 169, SpyreX wrote:
@SpyreX: I think you missed my question. Do you scum read baldeagle or are you saying he's a good policy lynch?
Both. There is a lot of overlap on the venn diagram there. Especially considering while most everyone is talking about things he's pretty much fixated on "THE CHARTER IS FOR NOT SCUMHUNTINGGGSSS" which isn't irony but just terrible.
Spyrex, how is your readalong of the games I linked coming?

HS, is there a reason you haven't reached out to me at all, given your history with me?
Slow as balls. I'm hoping tomorrow night / sunday morning to have actual solid time to devote to some mafia stuff that's going to take a real amount of time.

Annnd:
In post 140, hiplop wrote:uh...reading? first post was rvs iirc
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ouch. What were you looking for there? I dont really have any plan of why my mind changed...it just did. I disliked the charter idea from start
Not a big fan of hiplop's play so far. He had a ??? reason for suspecting me (which he still hasn't addressed) and has done no scumhunting outside of that post. I'd probably put him as my third scumread behind HS and LMS.
Because there isnt much to address. Just gut read. What scumhunting have you done? this all seems like buzzword nonsense, which again rubs me as scum. Please, explain what about any of this is scum motivated?

I dont think highshroomish is scum, just confusing?
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Post Post #187 (ISO) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 7:31 am

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In post 147, Porkens wrote:
In post 145, hiplop wrote:
If "bad players" and "good players" have an equal chance of being scum, why wouldn't you want to lynch the bad players first?

If we punish anti-town to the point where they are forced to be pro-town, what is the problem?
...because of exactly that reason. Its better to have a bad townie than a great scum
This is starting to border on the absurd. Your agrument, taken to it's logical conclusion, is that we should lynch all the "good players" first. I'll try one more time and then I'm giving up: You are looking at 2 people in a game, one of them is a "bad player" who lurks, lolposts, and hides behind his shitmeta, and the other is a "good player" who contributes, offers reads, investigates, and scumhunts. For whatever reasons, they are both equally scummy. As a matter of general policy, who would you want lynched?

You didn't answer the second question.
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Yeah, I was waiting for him to finish answering my questions (121, 137), but this is a good idea.
Vote: HighShroomish

I'm sorry, what? How the fuck does that connect? No, I'm saying lynching people based on their ability is just silly. It distracts the town (ergo why your stupid charter idea has literally been the only real topic of discussion all game. THERE IS SCUM MOTIVATION THERE)
In post 169, SpyreX wrote:
@SpyreX: I think you missed my question. Do you scum read baldeagle or are you saying he's a good policy lynch?
Both. There is a lot of overlap on the venn diagram there. Especially considering while most everyone is talking about things he's pretty much fixated on "THE CHARTER IS FOR NOT SCUMHUNTINGGGSSS" which isn't irony but just terrible.
Spyrex, how is your readalong of the games I linked coming?

HS, is there a reason you haven't reached out to me at all, given your history with me?
Slow as balls. I'm hoping tomorrow night / sunday morning to have actual solid time to devote to some mafia stuff that's going to take a real amount of time.

Annnd:
In post 140, hiplop wrote:uh...reading? first post was rvs iirc
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ouch. What were you looking for there? I dont really have any plan of why my mind changed...it just did. I disliked the charter idea from start
Not a big fan of hiplop's play so far. He had a ??? reason for suspecting me (which he still hasn't addressed) and has done no scumhunting outside of that post. I'd probably put him as my third scumread behind HS and LMS.
Because there isnt much to address. Just gut read. What scumhunting have you done? this all seems like buzzword nonsense, which again rubs me as scum. Please, explain what about any of this is scum motivated?

I dont think highshroomish is scum, just confusing?
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Post Post #188 (ISO) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 12:17 pm

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Wait, my vote is silly. If Surye’s actually reading and morph’s serious scumread isn’t making him post, my vote probably won't help.

UNVOTE: Surye
VOTE: 1baldeagle1

@SpyreX: I really like your point about eagle complaining about town being distracted by the charter but not posting about anything else himself; that seems scummy.

@eagle1: If you think the purpose of the charter is to distract us, why were you going on about it? What would you like to talk about? Does anyone else here (besides Porkens) stand out to you as scummy right now?

@hiplop: my problem with you is that you’re complaining about how there isn’t much talk to about because of the charter but you’re doing very little to kickstart conversation. Pretty similar to my problem with eagle, actually. What would you like to have seen in these last few pages rather than charter discussion?

@Kdub: Can you explain why you suspect LMS? Yes, it kinda does look like he's avoiding the thread, but you just agreed that's not too incriminating for Surye, and his posts seem fine to me (though the game-claim was a bad idea).
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Post Post #189 (ISO) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 2:38 pm

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So, earlier today I saw surye posting but not here, which is irritating, so I looked at his games hoping to find some smoking gun which showed him quaking in his boots or just plain disliking scum ala nikanor but I round mini 1535 which is, as far as I can tell, his first game back after a break where he drew scum and didn't have a problem. In fact, he endgames with his entire team, so meh. It's still frustrating, but it might not be as sure-fire as I originally thought.
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Post Post #190 (ISO) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 2:55 pm

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In post 182, Porkens wrote:
In post 175, Hadrian wrote:
In post 143, Porkens wrote:
Hipshot Fungun Vigbucket (paranoia)

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What is this? Two town reads are on your paranoia VIG shot list. Do you read us as town or not? If yes, what's the purpose of a VIG list comprised of your town members. Oh and forgive me, didn't you're charter specifically exclude paranoia? And since it did, and you wrote it, and are giving in, what was the purpose in the first place.

( also, thank you very much for being paranoid of us if you actually are, I could name at least one or two who should actually cause you paranoia but I'm self absorbed and love being mentioned.)
This is another thing I've sort of been trying out. After I sortthe player list into those I want to lynch vs those I don't really want to lynch, I go through and gut the people in each category. I chose the one that I'm less certain about and put then in my paranoia list. I think this adds another dimension to my reads. I really want to trust you, but I'm also afraid of that. Does that make sense?

I don't think the mafia carta excluded paranoia, did it? Anyway, I was just spitballing most of those anyway in the hopes of inspiring people to hammer out the particulars with me. Finally, I'm don't think I've given in on anything. I still hope people come around and want to do it with me. I'm just done advertising it.
Well, no, as my other head says it really doesn't make sense. But neither one of us do reads lists either. I don't really have a problem with the contradiction either as I tend to contradict myself like crazy. Hell in a recent game at my home site when I was explaining a few reads, I listed one person as town and scum, and I did that purposefully.

My problem is that your list, then VIG based on paranoia make no sense and do run counter to your charter, which yes then makes me wonder why you started it and talked about nothing else for five pages. Here's the thing you have quill and me at the top of your "don't want to lynch list" then on your VIG this list. You are asking for a VIG to kill two potentially town people because you can't be assed to try to read us correctly. I'd probably suspect you for the paranoia list just because scum recently have been "too afraid" to read me lately so claim paranoia on me BUT in the wizards game you went paranoid on me too. Also, I understand paranoia, I live it and breathe it in mafia, but I've never asked for a VIG shot because I was personally paranoid.

Part of the problem is that this is the first thing you've done not charter related, and it doesn't help me with getting a read on you especially when as far as paranoia goes, you are just up to trusting people who are known for being good as scum, so I'm having a hard time deciphering how genuine it is.
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Post Post #191 (ISO) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 3:13 pm

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Oh did I mention before that what I didn't like about last man standing was the "this was my earliest opportunity to post" thing? The game had been going on less than 24 hours by that time. There was no need to apologize or be so self-aware about him not posting yet.

This actually might be a better place for a vote then where we are. Need to talk to pless.

Oh I probably didn't.
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Post Post #192 (ISO) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 3:16 pm

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Prodding LastManStanding and 1baldeagle1
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Post Post #193 (ISO) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 3:35 pm

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In post 186, hiplop wrote:Because there isnt much to address. Just gut read. What scumhunting have you done? this all seems like buzzword nonsense, which again rubs me as scum. Please, explain what about any of this is scum motivated?
So it was a gut read on me? Then explain what you meant here:
In post 114, hiplop wrote:kdub looks fishy to me for virtually the same reason as what spyrex said in this post, btw.
The reason that SpyreX gave was he (Spy) agreed with pretty much everything I said up to that point. I found it weird that you would use his agreement as reason to find me suspicious, so I asked for clarification. Now you're saying it was a gut read the whole time? Why not just say that in the first place?

Your "what scumhunting have you done" line is basically a "NO U" response that tries to deflect attention. You have barely mentioned anything about other players, why not share some reads? Let's let the others decide which of us has done more scumhunting (hint: it doesn't look so good for you when they see your iso). Do I really need to explain why not scumhunting is scum-motivated?
In post 188, awesomeusername wrote:@Kdub: Can you explain why you suspect LMS? Yes, it kinda does look like he's avoiding the thread, but you just agreed that's not too incriminating for Surye, and his posts seem fine to me (though the game-claim was a bad idea).
Mostly that his first post seemed like he was fence-sitting on the charter idea, trying to see whether other people liked it or not before committing to it, plus the mass game-claim idea is not pro-town. I could maybe see that coming from newb-town, which is why I asked him what his previous mafia experience was. The fact that he was posting elsewhere was just sort of an off-hand comment because people were using that against Surye.
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Post Post #194 (ISO) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 4:01 pm

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In post 169, SpyreX wrote:
@SpyreX: I think you missed my question. Do you scum read baldeagle or are you saying he's a good policy lynch?
Both. There is a lot of overlap on the venn diagram there. Especially considering while most everyone is talking about things he's pretty much fixated on "THE CHARTER IS FOR NOT SCUMHUNTINGGGSSS" which isn't irony but just terrible.
Spyrex, how is your readalong of the games I linked coming?

HS, is there a reason you haven't reached out to me at all, given your history with me?
Slow as balls. I'm hoping tomorrow night / sunday morning to have actual solid time to devote to some mafia stuff that's going to take a real amount of time.

Annnd:
In post 140, hiplop wrote:uh...reading? first post was rvs iirc
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The reason that SpyreX gave was he (Spy) agreed with pretty much everything I said up to that point. I found it weird that you would use his agreement as reason to find me suspicious, so I asked for clarification. Now you're saying it was a gut read the whole time? Why not just say that in the first place?
my bad, i didnt realize you wanted clarification. Basically that you were just saying "yes" to everything (Sheeping = sometimes scummy). Itys cleared up a bit now, though. Probably town

yes it was exactly NO U. Because trying to make you realize it is inherently a towntell and a scumtell!

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Post Post #195 (ISO) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 4:59 pm

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*shrug* Say you are paranoid about your town reads and no one blinks. Put the word big near their name and it's the end of the world.


I don't think it's contradictory, but you are entitled to your opinions.
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Post Post #196 (ISO) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 5:21 pm

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In post 195, Porkens wrote:*shrug* Say you are paranoid about your town reads and no one blinks. Put the word big near their name and it's the end of the world.


I don't think it's contradictory, but you are entitled to your opinions.
There's no world ending. I can't follow your thought process, and part of that is because the most you have been doing is nothing alignment relevant. The only thing you did do that was actually game related was put out a reads list then a paranoid please vig this list, and your paranoid list doesn't match up to me what I would actually consider paranoia inducing.
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Post Post #197 (ISO) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 5:45 pm

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Well that's fair enough.

My goal was to evaluate within each tier of my reads. I'm pretty confident that spy is town. Quills floats have been very good, but they are few, and I don't know him well.

Of my middle high reads, Tammy you are actually the one I feel the most strongly town about, because I feel you are very open. But the trust I feel makes me second guess myself.

Lastmanstanding, I feel has contributed the least.

I'm actually feeling worse and worse about awesome username, I feel he is riding the middle rail pretty tight..,need to retread him though.
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Post Post #198 (ISO) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 5:47 pm

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Lord I apologise for my iPad.
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Post Post #199 (ISO) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 7:12 pm

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In post 197, Porkens wrote:I'm actually feeling worse and worse about awesome username, I feel he is riding the middle rail pretty tight..,need to retread him though.
What do you mean by "middle rail"?
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I'm not sure I understand your point here. Are you saying scum try to look town, so you shouldn't be suspected for not looking very town?

@Kdub: Ah, I see. I don't actually consider indecisiveness/fence-sitting that strong of a scumtell, though, since I tend to be rather indecisive myself. And Hadrian's reason doesn't seem very strong to me either.
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