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Post Post #1450 (ISO) » Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:01 pm

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We aren't scum, but I'm coming around to the idea that our cardflip would help town more than mislynching us would harm town.

The problem is, our night action could potentially either do some good tonight, or draw a scum counter that lets another town action take place. Assuming Quill and SpyreX are town, which I'm not certain of.

I almost caught SpyreX in the Song uPick game because he wasn't taking more of a leadership role in the game. Then I blinked, and the town roleblocker was lynched instead.

In this game, I was really impressed with his day 1. Day 2, he went after madot, but I guess kinda left a door open for us to derail that lynch. Day 3 was just retarded. :/

I'm asking myself if he's taking a leadership role in this game. I don't like the answer if I discount day 1.

Anyway I'm not anywhere close to willing to end this day. I'll be flying home on Tuesday and after that I'll have time to really dig back through the game and figure out what I missed or glossed over.
If you were town what "help" does your flip give versus AUN's flip right now?

And no, Day 2 I went after hiplop out of the gate - until through multiple questions to the mod and catdrugs Mado pretty much lynched themselves. As much as I'd love to say I was some paragon of light that day I would have had very, very little to run on if Mado hadn't opened their mouth about affecting the kill - which STILL doesn't make a whole lot of sense looking back and I'd love to know the thought process there. So my
information
helped make that happen but I sure as hell didn't pick up a flag and rally hard early.

Day 3 was stupid on so many levels but spilt milk.

But as Kdub pointed out - why did you say anything when I asked way back when about targeting hiplop?

And what the shit with both of you whom I want to put against the wall just shrugging like ok then.
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Post Post #1451 (ISO) » Sun Apr 06, 2014 10:36 pm

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In post 1448, Porkens wrote:
In post 1444, morph the cat wrote:We aren't scum, but I'm coming around to the idea that our cardflip would help town more than mislynching us would harm town.

The problem is, our night action could potentially either do some good tonight, or draw a scum counter that lets another town action take place. Assuming Quill and SpyreX are town, which I'm not certain of.

I almost caught SpyreX in the Song uPick game because he wasn't taking more of a leadership role in the game. Then I blinked, and the town roleblocker was lynched instead.

In this game, I was really impressed with his day 1. Day 2, he went after madot, but I guess kinda left a door open for us to derail that lynch. Day 3 was just retarded. :/

I'm asking myself if he's taking a leadership role in this game. I don't like the answer if I discount day 1.

Anyway I'm not anywhere close to willing to end this day. I'll be flying home on Tuesday and after that I'll have time to really dig back through the game and figure out what I missed or glossed over.
Why did you ignore the question regarding Night 1 and hip lop?
Because I'm not sure why. I don't remember when I made my first post of day 2, but I think it was after it became apparent that our action hadn't gone through because Surye wasn't post-restricted. I suspect that Cabd was too wrapped up in plotting out the gambit. When he's around, he can explain his thoughts process.
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Post Post #1452 (ISO) » Sun Apr 06, 2014 10:49 pm

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In post 1450, SpyreX wrote:
We aren't scum, but I'm coming around to the idea that our cardflip would help town more than mislynching us would harm town.

The problem is, our night action could potentially either do some good tonight, or draw a scum counter that lets another town action take place. Assuming Quill and SpyreX are town, which I'm not certain of.

I almost caught SpyreX in the Song uPick game because he wasn't taking more of a leadership role in the game. Then I blinked, and the town roleblocker was lynched instead.

In this game, I was really impressed with his day 1. Day 2, he went after madot, but I guess kinda left a door open for us to derail that lynch. Day 3 was just retarded. :/

I'm asking myself if he's taking a leadership role in this game. I don't like the answer if I discount day 1.

Anyway I'm not anywhere close to willing to end this day. I'll be flying home on Tuesday and after that I'll have time to really dig back through the game and figure out what I missed or glossed over.
If you were town what "help" does your flip give versus AUN's flip right now?
It puts an end to all the morph/player x scumteam speculation and makes it possible to move forward in a bound to be more fruitful direction.

That gets weighed with zero chance of hitting scum with our lynch against non-zero chance with AUN. And earlier in the game day I was quite willing to see AUN lynched. One of his posts struck me as sounding like town-perspective, though realistically it wasn't a non-fake-able perspective.

Fatalism probably weights the wrong side of that scale atm.
And no, Day 2 I went after hiplop out of the gate - until through multiple questions to the mod and catdrugs Mado pretty much lynched themselves. As much as I'd love to say I was some paragon of light that day I would have had very, very little to run on if Mado hadn't opened their mouth about affecting the kill - which STILL doesn't make a whole lot of sense looking back and I'd love to know the thought process there. So my
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helped make that happen but I sure as hell didn't pick up a flag and rally hard early.

Day 3 was stupid on so many levels but spilt milk.

But as Kdub pointed out - why did you say anything when I asked way back when about targeting hiplop?
Like I said, I don't think I was posting at the time, so I don't remember why that didn't seem like a good thing to answer. If I had to guess the rationale, it was probably because Cabd didn't want to give Surye any hints about what might have happened to his night action if he already knew it had gone awry.
And what the shit with both of you whom I want to put against the wall just shrugging like ok then.
It's demoralizing to be town and under near-universal suspicion. I'm used to being hard to read sometimes, but this is different. I want to go full-bore paranoid and call the players I feel should be able to read me scum for failing at it this game, but this has not been a normal month irl and it hasn't been a typical month for playing mafia either.
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Post Post #1453 (ISO) » Sun Apr 06, 2014 10:57 pm

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In post 1451, morph the cat wrote:I don't remember when I made my first post of day 2, but I think it was after it became apparent that our action hadn't gone through because Surye wasn't post-restricted.
Wait a minute.

When you claimed your role at the start of the current day you said:
In post 1241, morph the cat wrote:Each night we give a night action in the form of "Redirect any action X makes to Y instead" as well as giving X a word or phrase they MUST post every post or they lose their vote publicly upon their third violation.
"Third violation". Meaning that it wasn't enough to have everyone post
once
, as you claimed originally. If your action had worked as claimed, it wouldn't have triggered until the
third
time Surye posted.

So you could only know your action
hadn't
worked after Surye posted
three times
on day 2, if you're telling the truth about how your role works. And Surye's third post of day 2 was . But you announced that you
knew
"for a fact" that your power wasn't going to work well before this (in ).

Why did you say this if, by what you say now, you couldn't have known it was true?
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Post Post #1454 (ISO) » Sun Apr 06, 2014 11:00 pm

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In post 1452, morph the cat wrote:Like I said, I don't think I was posting at the time, so I don't remember why that didn't seem like a good thing to answer. If I had to guess the rationale, it was probably because Cabd didn't want to give Surye any hints about what might have happened to his night action if he already knew it had gone awry.
But how could Cabd have known that your night action had "gone awry"
before
Surye had posted three times? That isn't how your role is supposed to work.
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Post Post #1455 (ISO) » Sun Apr 06, 2014 11:04 pm

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I don't know what he was thinking when Cabd posted 457. Something to do with his gambit, but I don't know what.

He may have assumed that Surye wouldn't have avoided the posting restriction at first because why bother and why take a step toward losing his vote for the day.
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Post Post #1456 (ISO) » Sun Apr 06, 2014 11:05 pm

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In post 1454, Hadrian wrote:
In post 1452, morph the cat wrote:Like I said, I don't think I was posting at the time, so I don't remember why that didn't seem like a good thing to answer. If I had to guess the rationale, it was probably because Cabd didn't want to give Surye any hints about what might have happened to his night action if he already knew it had gone awry.
But how could Cabd have known that your night action had "gone awry"
before
Surye had posted three times? That isn't how your role is supposed to work.
Not Cabd. Surye.

If Surye had targeted someone else for whatever night action (and it would have been track) and got back info on HipLop, he'd know something went awry.
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Post Post #1457 (ISO) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:11 am

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This week is going to be kinda bad for me in terms of activity, but I should be able to keep up and post every day.

I figured morph's excuse would be something along the lines of "we already knew our action had failed". I'm not sure I entirely buy that, and Hadrian's line of questioning here is a good one.
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Post Post #1458 (ISO) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:33 am

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In post 1452, morph the cat wrote:It's demoralizing to be town and under near-universal suspicion. I'm used to being hard to read sometimes, but this is different. I want to go full-bore paranoid and call the players I feel should be able to read me scum for failing at it this game, but this has not been a normal month irl and it hasn't been a typical month for playing mafia either.
This is a strange reaction on a few levels. Before the last few pages, 1) you weren't being suspected nearly as much as awesome, 2) it's not near-universal suspicion, at least not any more so than previous days, and 3) a lot of the suspicion is coming from POE, which seems like it should be less demoralizing than people thinking you are scummy for your play (unless you actually are scum).
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Post Post #1459 (ISO) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:47 am

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It looks near universal to me. And it looks largely based on our play. If I thought it were purely POE I'd have a different reaction, which SpyreX probably remembers from our first game together.

I'm not going to self meta all the games where I've gone fatalistic as town for you.

My nightmare scenario here is that one or maybe both of Hadrian and SpyreX are scum.

AUN is likely scum by my POE. But once in a while, something he posts comes off pretty town.

I'm pretty busy today, and I fly home tomorrow. I'll check in when I'm able.
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Post Post #1460 (ISO) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 5:27 am

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Okay, so I've been thinking. Lynching me today is too dangerous. I think the optimal move from my PoV is to lynch morph today and me tomorrow (assuming morph is scum, which I think is pretty likely right now).

As much as I would like to confirm Porkens and avoid being a mislynch in a lylo, it's just too risky. Assume that I'm town for a minute. Both scum are among {morph, Quill, Hadrian, SpyreX}. Remember that if Hadrian's scum, this is lylo (he can auto-win using his gladiator ability tomorrow if we mislynch today). I've been town-reading Hadrian for a while, and my gut tells me that he's not scum, but the same goes for Quill and SpyreX (even morph's posting looks better to me today than yesterday), so at least one of my town reads must be wrong. I don't really have that much of a reason to think Quill's scum over Hadrian, so if I'm town (and I am), there's a pretty significant chance that Hadrian is scum. So I don't think letting myself get mislynched here is a good idea.
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Post Post #1461 (ISO) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 6:15 am

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I have no idea what to make of the fact that we now have two allegedly town players who have called for their own lynches today to put us into lynch or lose (although Awesome has just retracted his offer, but still), but it does make me think they're not both scum. Unless it's a gambit so we only lynch one of them, which is a terrifying possibility that's coming to me now.
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In post 1431, Quill wrote:@Hadrian: I used my roleblock last night for the reasons I initially mentioned (because I wasn't sure about Kdub and wanted to hedge my bets) as well as the fact that I wanted to use it before I got killed overnight and couldn't explain what I did and why. I didn't see myself as an obvious target last night, but the less people we have to more likely I am to drop dead. Last night seemed the safest time to use it as a result.
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I guess I didn't have to, that's true. But it seemed like a waste not to use it at all. One of those psychological fallacies.

I hadn't thought about the Morph gambit from Day 2 much of late, but Hadrian's train of thought here is interesting. It does seem like Morph gave up on their efforts too soon for the actual proof that their post restriction had been implemented, and I'm not sure I buy that Cabd just assumed Surye's ignoring of the post restriction proved that Surye hadn't received it.
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Post Post #1462 (ISO) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 6:32 am

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Morph, if you think AUN is scum, why open your mouth about "oh well, maybe it would be better if you guys just lynched me"?
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Post Post #1463 (ISO) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 6:36 am

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AUN, how could scum Hadrian make this lylo?
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Post Post #1464 (ISO) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 7:29 am

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In post 1403, Hadrian wrote:Don't think username has claimed a name yet?
I'm
The Resistance
. I think my role makes a decent amount of sense with that.
In post 1417, Kdub wrote:
In post 1393, awesomeusername wrote:@Porkens: I have 3 abilities. One is that ability to post and vote and stuff that everyone probably has. A second is the role cop action.
The third says that if I ever target an anti-town player with any action, I will lose my vote the next day.
I'm not sure whether I'm allowed to say whether it literally says "passive," since that could be construed as quoting my role PM. What specifically do you want me to explain?
The bolded just seems weird. If you had multiple actions, it would make sense, but your only active power is the role cop. Why not combine the vote-loss thing into the explanation for that ability?

Can you please claim the flavor names for each of your abilities?
I don't know why the mod did my role the way he did. I was under the impression at the beginning of the game that there must be an inventor or something, but it apparently not. I guess that's just the way the mod decided to do it?

@Mod: I am allowed to claim the flavor names of my abilities?

In post 1419, Kdub wrote:Whatever happened to morph on N2 is still unknown. But if you (Spy) are claiming to have been blocked, how would morph have also been blocked? I don't think HS would have jailed them again after they complained about him blocking them the previous night.
I've speculated that the "Doubles-Restricted" part of Shroomish's role means he has to block the same person twice. This doesn't explain how SpyreX could get blocked, though. My best guess is that morph getting blocked caused him to not actually visit anyone; SpyreX not picking up on his targeting hiplop N1 supports this theory, I think.
In post 1463, Porkens wrote:AUN, how could scum Hadrian make this lylo?
Suppose Hadrian is scum. If he uses his gladiate today, and we mislynch, scum have 3 votes tomorrow and win. If he doesn't use his gladiate today but we still mislynch, he can gladiate his partner tomorrow to give one of the two scum 2 votes the next day, where he'll control the lynch. I suppose this assumes that the existence of a doublevoter doesn't raise the number of votes required for a lynch, but that's how it usually works, right?

I'm a little bit disappointed by SpyreX's "incriminating information," but I think the analysis of morph's actions is interesting. I feel like town-morph should've said that he targeted hiplop. I also have something to add to this:

@morph: Why did you target me Night 2? I requested a jailkeep the previous day so it was pretty clear I wasn't going to do anything, even if I were scum. I can't think of a town-motivated or scum-motivated reason for this…

@Quill: I think morph/Quill makes more sense than morph/Hadrian. More of a gut thing, though. Why do you think you/morph doesn't make sense? The roleblock?
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Post Post #1465 (ISO) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 7:35 am

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In post 1464, awesomeusername wrote:@morph: Why did you target me Night 2? I requested a jailkeep the previous day so it was pretty clear I wasn't going to do anything, even if I were scum. I can't think of a town-motivated or scum-motivated reason for this…
The reason? Because we thought you are scum (still do, mostly, but I have this occasional twinge about some of your posts sounding town), thought Surye/Pere was scum and thought you were more likely to make the kill given all the suspicion swirling around Pere. Night 1 and Night 2, we hoped to hit the jackpot and redirect a scum kill onto scum.

On night 1 we asked about redirecting the player we target onto themselves (Redirect X's actions to X), but were told by the mod that it wasn't permitted.
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Post Post #1466 (ISO) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 7:38 am

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Emphasis on the jailkeep request. Given that I was likely (or at least had requested) to be jailkept that night, why would I make the factional kill as scum? It wouldn't go through and I'd be caught.
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Post Post #1467 (ISO) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 7:44 am

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Because your request was wifom to me. I doubt as town JK I'd ever target a player who requested it, especially on night 2 of a 13 player game. I'd still be trying to use the JK as a protect at that point, probably.
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Post Post #1468 (ISO) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 8:55 am

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In post 1464, awesomeusername wrote:In post 1463, Porkens wrote:AUN, how could scum Hadrian make this lylo?
Suppose Hadrian is scum. If he uses his gladiate today, and we mislynch, scum have 3 votes tomorrow and win. If he doesn't use his gladiate today but we still mislynch, he can gladiate his partner tomorrow to give one of the two scum 2 votes the next day, where he'll control the lynch. I suppose this assumes that the existence of a doublevoter doesn't raise the number of votes required for a lynch, but that's how it usually works, right?
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Post Post #1469 (ISO) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 9:17 am

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And people wonder why I don't want to use the gladiate. It was stupid of me to suggest I couldn't trust people in this game to make sense, nope nope, I'm clearly deranged.

Case in point, porkens strongest scum read says we might be scum and he goes good point. Profit.

I'd probably be even more irritated at the silliness if I didn't already suggest lynching us outright to get rid of the gladiator fear, or gladiating kdub so the two votes go to confirmed town.

But pirkens you lazy ass, you have no right ever ever to criticize anyone's play in mafia. Like almost everything you've done is pure nonsense and laziness. Let's not try to figure up the game, I'll just pull names out of my ass I really don't care. I wish I believed you were scum I really do.
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Post Post #1470 (ISO) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 9:21 am

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I'm going to ignore the personal and needless insults, even though it is quite a challenge for me to do so.

What about lynching you doesn't make sense? You could be scum, and, if you are, this is lylo. Is there something wrong about the logic of that?
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Post Post #1471 (ISO) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 9:23 am

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In post 1463, Porkens wrote:AUN, how could scum Hadrian make this lylo?
Riddle me this big guy, why didn't I use it? Why haven't I today? If we're so clever we could make this lylo, why fight it. If we're scum and one of morph/username is town why not use it? We could make a case against either and there's enough suspicion to potentially go through. I wouldn't care if I lost because oh ho ho, I wouldn't.

Do you see me using it or do you see me not using it. Oh durr must be because we're town.
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Post Post #1472 (ISO) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 9:30 am

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In post 1470, Porkens wrote:I'm going to ignore the personal and needless insults, even though it is quite a challenge for me to do so.

What about lynching you doesn't make sense? You could be scum, and, if you are, this is lylo. Is there something wrong about the logic of that?

They're not personal insults, your play is lazy as fuck. And you know what I probably wouldn't mind, but you came up with the charter, so sorry bout your luck but I'm going to hold you to a higher standard because you thought of yourself so much better. You criticize other peoples play, like you did to us in wizards saying you wouldn't tolerate our nonsense when we were actually giving thoughts about the game. I expect you, if you're going to start the game with a charter, to oh I don't know try to figure out the game. You criticized pless yesterday for actually trying to figure things out because you'd prefer to be lazy and not.

I actually don't mind being lynched if it removes the gladiate fear, which I've already said more than once and interacted with you about. I already suggested gladiating kdub so that we would be certain the double votes would go to town. You've already interacted with me about that.

We are town. This is not lylo. It doesn't make sense to lynch us because it will be a mislynch. It only makes sense in getting rid of gladiator fear.
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Post Post #1473 (ISO) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 9:36 am

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In post 1456, morph the cat wrote:
In post 1454, Hadrian wrote:
In post 1452, morph the cat wrote:Like I said, I don't think I was posting at the time, so I don't remember why that didn't seem like a good thing to answer. If I had to guess the rationale, it was probably because Cabd didn't want to give Surye any hints about what might have happened to his night action if he already knew it had gone awry.
But how could Cabd have known that your night action had "gone awry"
before
Surye had posted three times? That isn't how your role is supposed to work.
Not Cabd. Surye.

If Surye had targeted someone else for whatever night action (and it would have been track) and got back info on HipLop, he'd know something went awry.
How would he know something went awry?

But that still doesn't answer that you knew something else had potentially targeted hiplop at the time of the question, and didn't even acknowledge it.
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Post Post #1474 (ISO) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 9:43 am

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Awesome - how does you being town make it more significant that we're scum?

Also and I'm a bit more than bothered by awesome's continual assertion that this Gould be lylo if we're scum. It looks like fake paranoia to me, and his wording doesn't feel natural. You only have to read both pless and my responses to see there's not an ounce of scum motivation in our desire to not use our role. It didn't even occur to us that scum could gladiate their partner in 5p to get the win. We just said, lynch us if we use it. In fact, we didn't even think of it making today lylo.

I WONDER WHY THAT IS? Because we're town, and the only thing we've thought with our role is we don't want to use it because we can't think of an protown way to use it. Gee golly gosh. Not rocket science. I mean if you want to lynch us fine, I'm not going to argue about it but don't ANYONE pretend it's because you think we're scum.
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