In post 2365, CarbonFiber wrote: In post 2361, Breakfast With Sandy wrote: In post 2356, CarbonFiber wrote:Also, RBD is HATED which means we don't want them around in LYLO. Why is everyone hardcore defending a scummy player that should be policy lynched for being hated that just got counterclaimed as a miller?
~ F-16
F-16, look past the role. Look at the play. And look at other zmuffin town and scum games. You know, that meta stuff you do. Tell me how their play looks like their scumgames. Convince me. I don't think you can, but you absolutely won't convince me on the basis of you both being millers.
Why are you this obsessed about lynching the person you're counterclaiming in a fucking CABD game?
Nothing that Muffin has posted in the thread is a genuine effort to solve the game. His primary purpose in the game is browbeating everyone who scumreads MastinSSK. Him, Mastin, and AngryPidgeon make the most sense as a scumteam.
Muffin as town is actually useful to the game. See Cash Cabd, he was incredibly obvious town there.
Also, why are you against voting a hated claim? They ought to be lynched at some point before LYLO. With them alive, we have one less lynch.
Nati's posts are nothing like his play in NY169 where he was genuinely trying to work with players and solve the game. Like it's that obvious, I don't know what to tell you or how to convince you and I don't know even if I can and I don't know if anyone can. You are not a player that uses reasoning to refine reads. It is more of a "
have you read this player correctly before
" type with you. I explained why Casso was scum or at least not town in NY169. Your response was to say that you believe Mara's and Sakura's townreads over my scumread because they have experience playing with Nacho never mind that the don't have the accuracy that I did.
I made a huge long rant about your play but I decided to delete it. You have more experience with Nati so nothing I say is going to convince you. So, I guess I'll wait for Nacho to come and knock sense into you because whether or not you are convinced depends more on who is making the argument as opposed to whether they make a persuasive case. So, yeah, I am not going to bother.
~ F-16
This is kinda discouraging because I
am
trying pretty hard to work with you. But, this post kinda explains the vibe I've been picking up from you in this game, so maybe that will help in figuring out your stances and interactions down the line.
I don't know if you remember, but in 169 I had concerns about zmuffin from pretty early on and never townread him that I recall. His vote on Ser Arthur crystallized the read in a way that doesn't often happen for me in games. Maybe all that was 100% paranoia.
I'd trust Nacho's read of him because of Nacho's recent experience playing with him as scum...to a point. They misread each other really badly in mini 1543 and I took full advantage of the opportunity their mutual misread offered.
You're thinking about nati in the context of ny 169 but his real life situation has changed significantly since then in terms of when and how frequently he can be online. That was evident in watching him moderate the mini game. and in NY 169 there were fairly lengthy periods where he was disconnected from the game. I'm not sure why that wasn't apparent to you. Maybe my activity covered for his lack during those times. Some players did confuse our posts at times.
Anyway, If you get the lynch you want, at best it will mean that we removed a negative utility
role
at the cost of removing a strong town player if my read is correct. zmuffin basically had the mini game I mentioned figured out on day 1 before he and nacho distracted the hell out of each other.
