Tales of You (Endgame)

[Yggdra Union]

hey pieguy, do you remember your mastin read on day 1 of xenosaga?

I was just overall off that game. the evidence I have in here is way more concrete than anything I had in that game. this mastin has the exact same mindset as the scum mastin I remember from AOT and there's several examples of this. when pressured she just asks a bunch of pointless questions that don't lead anywhere in order to create a bunch of confusion to derail the lynch off herself. look at her responses to me. all of them are big and useless. nothing in there is in any way, shape or form hard to fake or comes across like she's actually trying to make a real argument. the same mindset also pops up every time she brings up other ppl's reads on her. she plays up ppl who are reading herright and she's tyring to spin a narrative that, since a certain set of ppl are reading her as town, there's no way she can be scum here and everyone else is bad for thinking about the possibility. she's getting into pointless debates that don't have anything to do with anything to distract ppl from their reads on her. I'm not gonna even bother pointing out specific things bc that'll give mastin more shit to BS about, but it should speak for itself

the way she's strongarming lynches is the exact same as in AOT too. look at her posts about CF - she's just blatantly ignoring all the town things CF did all game, despite the fact that SHE KNOWS F-16 CAN'T FAKE THIS LEVEL OF TRANSPARENCY AS SCUM AFTER PLAYING SCUM WITH HER. and she only gave it up when she started getting backlash for it. I caught her in AOT bc he was pushing Kagami and doing THE EXACT SAME THING (for context, she almost outright broke the game and even if it didn't affect anything in the end it was the most blindingly bright town thing I've seen ever) and I finally had enough and called bullshit on it and I WAS RIGHT

GIF had more but he didn't give me specifics. the summary is mastin gave a half assed answer to one of his questions, then ignored fox's reach out and there was one mastin post GIF quoted he really hated

in xenosaga I was just off overall and I never really got into the game. most of my reads sucked ass until I took a step back and thought about things some more and even I was still out of it

-Y

[AngryPidgeon]

Since when do scum lynches go with 2 buddies howling about how obv town their buddy is ever? Ever? Can you name 2 games of the top of your head? like you are in your own world and that is because you are scum.

[Yggdra Union]

Since when do scum lynches go with 2 buddies howling about how obv town their buddy is ever? Ever? Can you name 2 games of the top of your head? like you are in your own world and that is because you are scum.

NY167

yes, I went there

[Yggdra Union]

-Y

[AngryPidgeon]

I dislike you.

OK plane taking off.

[PeregrineV]

I might be back before deadline.

[Natirasha]

Unvote

I'm at work and can't swap accounts but I'm feeling masochistic enough to force the NL and 1v1 tomorrow. So please count this Cabd.

F-16, if you really think both my scumbuddies hard defend me day one like this, Lol. Lolololol. If you did any research on me at all, you'd know I'm the goddamn king of bussing. Moreover, AP and mastin are both good enough players to know when to hold and when to fold. And were waaaay beyond the point of folding. I really don't give a fuck if you think I'm a um, but to build such a shit case is, like, I have actually no words.

[Natirasha]

VOTE: PV because counterwagon or something.

[Clyton]

I don't know why anyone thinks this is town ATE, it looks like scum ATE to me.

What I view as a scumclaim more than the thing Sheep is hung up on is the way they reacted to CF's miller claim while not being a miller. Look at their posts directly after the claim. From here, they look really really terrible.

@2790: there will probably be a lot considering how many players' reads on each of you are largely based on stances you've both taken.

I don't know if I can really explain this but I'm going to try.

Neither of them are the kind of scum player to just lose it like that. It looks like pissed off town and it has looked like pissed off town for a few calendar days, now. confirmation bias is a thing. They've been reading CF as scum for a while and he trots out a last minute counter claim and it stinks to them.

I've done similar as town. What I didn't do was have a fake claim going at the same time because that's not how I generally play as town. I still misread the players involved and did my utter best to get them lynched.

Anyway, especially zmuffin, this is nothing like his scum game. Nor is it anything like nati's scum game.

I'll be quick because I'm not at my own comp. I'll start with this.

It is true that I am voting RBD despite a strong belief that he is town (from my reads). RBD is clearly a frustrated town who gave up on this game (at least one of the head anyways). The post Mastin quoted was me acknowledging this fact and complying with his wishes respectfully. Of course, this is inherently scummy; why vote for someone you believe is town? It could be scum using this as a ruse to get the wagon going.

My defense follows: contrary to Mastin, I would rather avoid a no lynch. I believe someone in this thread said it best: a lynch will happen no matter how stupid, illogical it is. I believe that we cannot get another wagon to get a lynch; hence, I decided to give up on such a possibility and vote for RBD. I didn't care how people would react to this post because this is something as a mafia game player I would always do. I also believe that if RBD truly does flips town, it will give me better insight regarding JSU and CF.

Speaking of that, I admit I was too quick to judge JSU and CF scumreading me. I thought I was also being put as null rather than just scum. My previous post was not to be hostile. But I now understand your desires towards me, so I am welcome to speak with you two the following day.

[Mac]

There are some key reasons why this RBD lynch is a WHOLE LOAD OF FUCKING SHIT.

I still haven't read since CF claimed but still some questions I feel people don't have answers too;

Why does scum Muffin, who is the fucking reigning DON CORLEONE on site and has fooled the majority of players in this game, feel the need to claim miller right out the gate?

Why does scum Muffin fake apathy and then go on to fucking admit it was fake and he just wanted to see if anyone would townread him?

WHY IS TOWN MUFFINATI BEING LYNCHED?

[CarbonFiber]

Unvote

I'm at work and can't swap accounts but I'm feeling masochistic enough to force the NL and 1v1 tomorrow. So please count this Cabd.

F-16, if you really think both my scumbuddies hard defend me day one like this, Lol. Lolololol. If you did any research on me at all, you'd know I'm the goddamn king of bussing. Moreover, AP and mastin are both good enough players to know when to hold and when to fold. And were waaaay beyond the point of folding. I really don't give a fuck if you think I'm a um, but to build such a shit case is, like, I have actually no words.

But it is not beyond the point of folding. If they can derail your lynch today and get a lurker lynched, and then kill the best townies or the ones with most accurate reads, mislynch the others with the help of townies with wrong reads, you can maneuver yourself into a much stronger position.

On the other hand, if you get lynched, and Pie, BRO, Desp, and I all have our reads validated, it is going to be SO much harder for Mastin to avoid us all tunneling him then because for one, your scumflip would basically confirm people as town, and you would be down a member.

Also, your most recent read on me seems to be that I am town so I am not sure where you are going with the 1v1.

[Clyton]

Unvote

I'm at work and can't swap accounts but I'm feeling masochistic enough to force the NL and 1v1 tomorrow. So please count this Cabd.

F-16, if you really think both my scumbuddies hard defend me day one like this, Lol. Lolololol. If you did any research on me at all, you'd know I'm the goddamn king of bussing. Moreover, AP and mastin are both good enough players to know when to hold and when to fold. And were waaaay beyond the point of folding. I really don't give a fuck if you think I'm a um, but to build such a shit case is, like, I have actually no words.

But it is not beyond the point of folding. If they can derail your lynch today and get a lurker lynched, and then kill the best townies or the ones with most accurate reads, mislynch the others with the help of townies with wrong reads, you can maneuver yourself into a much stronger position.

On the other hand, if you get lynched, and Pie, BRO, Desp, and I all have our reads validated, it is going to be SO much harder for Mastin to avoid us all tunneling him then because for one, your scumflip would basically confirm people as town, and you would be down a member.

Also, your most recent read on me seems to be that I am town so I am not sure where you are going with the 1v1.

Nothing here states what will happen if RBD flips town, only the possibilities outside of that. So what if he does flip town? Does that mean my reads on you and JSU are validated and I can tunnel you two?

I feel me and Stalin are caught in this vortex of conflicting sides: people who truly believe RBD is scum and wants him dead, and people who are trying to save RBD because he is town. Heck, I think he's town, but I want him dead for the best of the town later on. I want to avoid a no lynch at all costs.

/Unvote

I'll have some faith in the people I trust. Stalin, what will you do? You clearly don't want to lynch RBD cause you think he's town. Who's the alternative then? I don't see PV being scummy; rather, there is a lack of townreads on him.

[CarbonFiber]

I mean derailing your lynch makes much, much more optimal sense as scum.

I already addressed the whole "why are good players reading me as town" thing. For one, none of me, Pie, BRO, Desp, or Ceph/DV, or Tammy? all of who are good players are reading you as town.

I think Muffin and Mastin are scum together so their mutual townreads don't matter. Other good players may be reading you as town if you tailor your play towards them because they are such a massive threat.

[Clyton]

I don't know why anyone thinks this is town ATE, it looks like scum ATE to me.

What I view as a scumclaim more than the thing Sheep is hung up on is the way they reacted to CF's miller claim while not being a miller. Look at their posts directly after the claim. From here, they look really really terrible.

@2790: there will probably be a lot considering how many players' reads on each of you are largely based on stances you've both taken.

I don't know if I can really explain this but I'm going to try.

Neither of them are the kind of scum player to just lose it like that. It looks like pissed off town and it has looked like pissed off town for a few calendar days, now. confirmation bias is a thing. They've been reading CF as scum for a while and he trots out a last minute counter claim and it stinks to them.

I've done similar as town. What I didn't do was have a fake claim going at the same time because that's not how I generally play as town. I still misread the players involved and did my utter best to get them lynched.

Anyway, especially zmuffin, this is nothing like his scum game. Nor is it anything like nati's scum game.

I'll be quick because I'm not at my own comp. I'll start with this.

It is true that I am voting RBD despite a strong belief that he is town (from my reads). RBD is clearly a frustrated town who gave up on this game (at least one of the head anyways). The post Mastin quoted was me acknowledging this fact and complying with his wishes respectfully. Of course, this is inherently scummy; why vote for someone you believe is town? It could be scum using this as a ruse to get the wagon going.

My defense follows: contrary to Mastin, I would rather avoid a no lynch. I believe someone in this thread said it best: a lynch will happen no matter how stupid, illogical it is. I believe that we cannot get another wagon to get a lynch; hence, I decided to give up on such a possibility and vote for RBD. I didn't care how people would react to this post because this is something as a mafia game player I would always do. I also believe that if RBD truly does flips town, it will give me better insight regarding JSU and CF.

Speaking of that, I admit I was too quick to judge JSU and CF scumreading me. I

thought

I was also being put as null rather than just scum. My previous post was not to be hostile. But I now understand your desires towards me, so I am welcome to speak with you two the following day.

Forgot*

[Clyton]

I mean derailing your lynch makes much, much more optimal sense as scum.

I already addressed the whole "why are good players reading me as town" thing. For one, none of me, Pie, BRO, Desp, or Ceph/DV, or Tammy? all of who are good players are reading you as town.

I think Muffin and Mastin are scum together so their mutual townreads don't matter. Other good players may be reading you as town if you tailor your play towards them because they are such a massive threat.

Is this directed at me?

[Just Sheep Us]

Counterpoint: The town play, in my mind, would be to take it back immediately, before it causes what it's causing right now. Instead, they threw doubt on F16's claim and continued scumreading him, then called him conftown like 10 pages later. I don't see town motivation in that delay.

Holy shit so much of this.

I'm going to be an insufferable dick until RBD is lynched because they're fucking scum and it's obvious-as AND HAS BEEN FOR THE WHOLE FUCKING GAME.

AND YET YOU FUCKERS REFUSE TO LISTEN.

[MastinSSK]

So I'm working under the assumption of an all-town Abyss right now, believe it or not. I'm trying to figure out what that means.

So I have to apologize. I got distracted, and never followed through on this. I'll see what I can do.

Mastin I really think you are falling victim to CFs too dumb to be scum routine.

Oh, him being dumb is precisely one of the reasons I have been scumreading him.

But I'm placing a fair amount of trust in the other players here who are vouching for him.

What posts of mine gave you this read?

General discrediting of me, I guess?

Is it too late for the world's flashiest quick lynch on lord business?

He's a sub-optimal lynch given that I'm figuring him out right now.

[Just Sheep Us]

look at dis mastin grasping for every single possible counterwagon to RBD

Actually, Rancid's the counterwagon to all of those wagons.

DesBRO, PV, and Fox/Hound all had votes on them weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeell before Rancid did.

You're flagrantly ignoring game narrative and defining wagon as "having votes," which is a pretty meaningless definition.

[The Fox and the Hound]

DV here, catching up now. Don't feel like you need to wait for me, as I can't promise that I'll be able to read everything by deadline, but I'll probably post out-of-context thoughts as I go through every 5 pages or so just in case it's interesting to anyone for some reason! Yeah.. I don't know.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

I posted something in our hydra QT and flipped back to this thread and saw your post, clyton.

What I posted was that If I were playing on my own, I'd probably vote peregrine as a consensus measure with Mac and Kagura, with a full understanding that it's a compromise likely to result in a mislynch.

This is basically an untenable day 1 for me. I could put a vote *somewhere* and feel more useful I guess, but if I'm going to do that - waste our vote - I'd rather just not vote and take the heat for that tomorrow.

RBD have indicated they'll gladiate one of my townreads tomorrow, so even if they survive today, tomorrow looks like another shit game day.

[Just Sheep Us]

ITT mastin argues semantics that have nothing to do with my actual point. again

Except that this is no semantics debate.

Rancid IS a damn counterwagon. More specifically, a CW to PV. PV was the lead wagon with five votes (plus me), and a sixth potentially on the way. Rancid had two or three votes at the time.

Now he has six.

p5 was also a counter wagon to YOU, and there has been a decent consensus among the group that wagoned you that you and RBD are scum together so...

[Just Sheep Us]

I posted something in our hydra QT and flipped back to this thread and saw your post, clyton.

What I posted was that If I were playing on my own, I'd probably vote peregrine as a consensus measure with Mac and Kagura, with a full understanding that it's a compromise likely to result in a mislynch.

This is basically an untenable day 1 for me. I could put a vote *somewhere* and feel more useful I guess, but if I'm going to do that - waste our vote - I'd rather just not vote and take the heat for that tomorrow.

RBD have indicated they'll gladiate one of my townreads tomorrow, so even if they survive today, tomorrow looks like another shit game day.

Or you could just lynch them today, get the scum flip, and fix the goddamn problem.

[Titan]

I posted something in our hydra QT and flipped back to this thread and saw your post, clyton.

What I posted was that If I were playing on my own, I'd probably vote peregrine as a consensus measure with Mac and Kagura, with a full understanding that it's a compromise likely to result in a mislynch.

This is basically an untenable day 1 for me. I could put a vote *somewhere* and feel more useful I guess, but if I'm going to do that - waste our vote - I'd rather just not vote and take the heat for that tomorrow.

RBD have indicated they'll gladiate one of my townreads tomorrow, so even if they survive today, tomorrow looks like another shit game day.

OH. MY. GODS.

This post says exactly how I feel.

Would you like to join me here?

[Mac]

Counterpoint: The town play, in my mind, would be to take it back immediately, before it causes what it's causing right now. Instead, they threw doubt on F16's claim and continued scumreading him, then called him conftown like 10 pages later. I don't see town motivation in that delay.

Holy shit so much of this.

I'm going to be an insufferable dick until RBD is lynched because they're fucking scum and it's obvious-as AND HAS BEEN FOR THE WHOLE FUCKING GAME.

AND YET YOU FUCKERS REFUSE TO LISTEN.

Well let's see.

Claim miller ................................................. 90 pages later counterclaim

Remind me which kind of town accepts a counterclaim that comes 90 pages later?

[Just Sheep Us]

I suppose you could say:
My role is such that I'm not someone who never is getting lynched this game.
But my play is such that I shouldn't ever be lynched this game.

You claimed a shittier version of a standard tree stump, and your plays been scummy as.

I don't get how many times I have to say this to you.

Saying things over and over again won't make people believe them.