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[Sixty]

scumUT, from my experience, has votes that don't tend to move as often and the quick vote on Tim seemed more fitting of townUT.

How was the vote on Tim Howard "quick"?

[sangres]

The push didn't last for a long time.

[sangres]

NEW TOWNREAD ADDITIONS BECAUSE I KNOW THEIR ADDITION BEFORE TALKING ABOUT SCUMREADS WILL BOTHER SIXTY:

Shadoweh:

I think that Shadoweh is generally more boring as scum than I am: I think the comparison of Shadoweh fake raging to the last time she fake raged is not really that accurate, considering VisCon exists and this rage isn't VisCon rage. As far as consistent content goes, Shadoweh has provided more content per post than her last scumgame and her last town game combined, has actual logical posts (instead of scum-Shadoweh "whee, look at me tunnel this townie!"), and has decently genuine rage that seems to seep into her posting as opposed to over the top and acting as an excuse to make shitty lynches. I did smell a couple of "if I was scum I wouldn't do this!" arguments that sort of make me twitch, but nothing significant. I don't find the slip to be a slip: forgetting your role PM color is plausible (and is necessary to call Shadoweh-scum?), and ugh that argument is overall sort of boring to me so won't dive into it too much.


chamber:
Arrogant, pushing on chamber things, involved, is probably town. This read will probably be sorted out pretty quickly, will expand on it if it needs explanation.

Venmar:

The process which Venmar reads me seemed like a genuine sorting process (people are weirded out when I act weird, imagine that!). I am not surprised he did nothing with the read on me after coming around to the read on me: he's very proud of his accuracy in reading me where others seem to fail horribly from time to time, but he doesn't have a tendency to work closely with me in games. His push on Nero/his end looks as righteous as it does from the other end, and Venmar is obnoxious in a way that I'm fairly confident would be dialed back to a considerable degree if he knew he was peddling sheer bullshit.

[Sixty]

The push didn't last for a long time.

138 posts that happen to be the height of the wagon and some ways into its decline isn't a "long time"?

[sangres]

SCUM:

Katsuki - Should be implicit by latest posts directed at him. Not ready to make a clearer case as of yet.

Kanyeknowsbest - Kanye's contributions this game haven't been horrible, but they're underwhelming as hell and nothing at all like I was hoping (was planning on sheeping the hell out of him if I got a townread on him). I think the best thing he's posted so far is his townread on Reck. The worst thing he's posted so far is "LLD is good at scum!".

Don't really feel like sharing anything else.

[sangres]

The push didn't last for a long time.

138 posts that happen to be the height of the wagon and some ways into its decline isn't a "long time"?

Not within the context of a game day, no.
I call it a short push because, if UT was scum, it didn't really seem like an intent to mislynch unless his attention span is pretty much nothing. UT gave one post explaining why he made the vote he did, talks about some other stuff, and then... talked about how people should vote Venmar.

[Sixty]

Two more things, then.

1) Just to test my own reading comprehension, are you saying that Reck is more likely Town? Or is that more a comment on

i think reck is town despite being pretty underwhelming.

kaney's willingness to toss this Town read?

2) How confident are you that kaney is scum?

[sangres]

1) Both.

2) Scumread on him is only slightly weaker than scumread on Katsuki, so pretty confident.

[Lost Butterfly]

Day 1, VC 28

Tim Howard - (6):

Zdenek, Katsuki, Plum, Shadoweh, kanyeknowsbest, Sixty

Katsuki - (1):

sangres

Venmar - (2):

Nero Cain

, Untrod Tripod

Shadoweh - (4):

ChannelDelibird, chamber, Cerulean, Nobody Special

Zdenek - (2):

Tim Howard, xRECKONERx

xRECKONERx - (1):

Lady Lambdadelta

Nero Cain - (1):

Venmar

Plum - (1):

Flipping Awesome

Not voting - (0):

---

With

18

alive it takes

10

to lynch.
Deadline for Day 1:

26th of April at 5pm

Irish Time - countdown: (expired on 2014-04-26 12:00:00)
Plum is V/la.

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[chamber]

I don't like tim howard for scum at all. My only experience playing with nexus that I remember was when I hydra'd with him as an SK. He made one post that game because it was deadline and he knew I was afk. I made literally every other post, because he didn't want to as scum. I didn't see that reservation in him here.

[Tim Howard]

Nacho's recent spate of posting gives me the feelgoods inside for literally every possible reason (he's town, he has good / thought-out reads, I don't disagree with any of his logic, he thinks we're town). Sangres jumps firmly into the townlist, and I agree with his read on Katsuki in particular.

Flipping Awesome's thoughts on Plum are actually quite good. (also thanks for the explanation on the big ol' list that makes more sense.)

Zdenek wagon isn't going anywhere and looking back, he hasn't really done anything scummy in a while, so I'm fine switching off of him to go somewhere more productive at this point.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Plum

MIRACLES, eh? (This is pretty much a full sheep on Flipping Awesome's reasons.)



Also, re: the Nexus situation. Not to take away from chamber / Nacho's lovely townreads on us, but he's probably going to be a "talk to me behind the scenes" type of head from here on out, rather than a posting head. Expect most posts to come from me (quadz) from here on out.

[Venmar]

yeah tim howard still town

[Nobody Special]

Nacho: What's your read on me?


-Nobody Special

[Katsuki]

Katsuki doesn't do that as scum but is much more involved with the game and actually has some semblance of "pro-town" play.

something

about his play struck nacho quite strongly as scum-katsuki. I don't really want to downgrade that without knowing more of the basis for it. I may move our vote tomorrow if I don't hear from him, but won't be calling katsuki town on my own.

So Nacho's spent the last 25 pages dancing around this read and you've been doing nothing but being the song to Nacho's dance.

I maen fuck I've given Nacho all the chances in the world to try and salvage his reputation but its like he's insistent on claiming scum and getting the slot nuked.

This is actually just wrong.
I haven't posted in a very long time (haven't posted since you said my name last, in fact), which is something I'm pretty sure you're aware of. You haven't given me anything except for one (1) chance to unvote you/recognize you're town, and that warn off came in the form of a late and weak "town Nacho would see town Katsuki", which doesn't cut it for me.

THEN SIGN YOUR BLOODY POSTS

[Katsuki]

nacho/ffery - early thoughts on venmar?

I think Nacho will have a little time for this game tomorrow. I was expecting to have more time as well, but we'll see how it goes I guess.

I have never played with scum-Venmar, and it's been a while since I did a meta scan. So, I have a town-Venmar model that's probably a little sketchy and no scum-Venmar model at all. Nacho and I recently helped get him mislynched in a PoE situation where we both really thought he'd looked pretty town earlier in the game. To me, in this game so far, Venmar is coming off pretty similar to Xenosaga in tone, level of involvement, etc.

But, to a large extent I depended on Nacho's meta read in that game, so it wouldn't surprise me at all if Nacho sees an issue or two that I don't.

However, it will surprise me quite a bit if Nacho changes his mind about Katsuki given what he's posted this week.

Does Empire have an opinion on Venmar?

TOWN NACHO WOULD TOTALLY BE TOWNREADING ME
NOT TEEHEEING A KATS LYNCH

LOOK AT YOUR OWN PLAY
IN NATIS MINI 1543
I FUCKING CALLED YOUR SHIT OUT WHEN YOU COULDNT RESIST MY BAIT

The teeheeing began originally because I didn't buy your vote on me coming from town-Kats. Yeah, I was shit talking and being obnoxious, but was decently town while doing it and would expect you to recognize + appreciate that. Now, I wonder why you would troll around with me instead of immediately call me out on my shit like you've done in most games together, and I wonder why you'd hold onto this reasoning and only deposit it now. Did you not want our exchange to get serious until the town was already led off on a good number of dumb wagons?

TROLL AROUND YOU?
EVERYTHING'S BEEN STRAIGHT FORWARD

[Lost Butterfly]

Prodding Lady Lambdadelta

[sangres]

Where to?

I think we're good where we're at.

[kanyeknowsbest]

hey can i just give a general reminder 2 everyone who is reading lld as SOLFID FUcking town that lld is Absolutely Excellent @ Scum ty 4 keeping this in mind.

Do you think she's scum? Or are you just kicking up paranoia to kick up paranoia?

i do not have a confident read on her, but i know how as scum she can rev up from being a early common town read and honestly im going to treat everything she posts w. a grain of salt until shes mod confirmed. if you think that makes me scum then fuckin alright nacho lmao

[kanyeknowsbest]

thtat said im pretty sure youre wrong about katsuki and also not convinced abt your shadowy read well ttyl

[Lady Lambdadelta]

was flying to the US/

[Cerulean]

Empire, if you could be around tomorrow at any time you decree, that'd be great.

I've been skimming the thread in between job searching and I should have time later tonight to post more substantial things as I (finally) have nothing in my way for now...look at around 9:30 PM EST if that works for you?

[Zdenek]

I don't like tim howard for scum at all. My only experience playing with nexus that I remember was when I hydra'd with him as an SK. He made one post that game because it was deadline and he knew I was afk. I made literally every other post, because he didn't want to as scum. I didn't see that reservation in him here.

How long ago was this?

[chamber]

like 2 years ago.

[Zdenek]

So, you don't think that he'd have become more comfortable as scum in that time?

[Sixty]

Empire, if you could be around tomorrow at any time you decree, that'd be great.

I've been skimming the thread in between job searching and I should have time later tonight to post more substantial things as I (finally) have nothing in my way for now...look at around 9:30 PM EST if that works for you?

Seems fine.

Would really like your thoughts on kanye.