Tales of You (Endgame)

[Breakfast With Sandy]

Nacho, what are your thoughts?

Why are you approaching nacho here with this rather than clyton's neighbor?

[CarbonFiber]

Nacho is online (or so I thought). I felt like having instantaneous discussion. What are you thinking?

[CarbonFiber]

Also, Tammy said as much as she wanted to say about him. I doubt that would change until he shows up again.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

I thought that his "you'll have to depend on investigation to read me" post during day 1 looked like town confidence. I could go all "oh shit godfather", but IME that kind of comment comes from town a lot more often than scum.

Late day 1, the cracks in the emotionless exterior bothered me. His response, which I thought boiled down to "yeah but it's part of my master plan to show cracks in the exterior in this circumstance" also bothered me.

There's not much to do about further sorting him when he's absent.

[AngryPidgeon]

More seriously, I'm not actually sure how to properly articulate my current reasons for scumreading AP, really

See, this is why you are wrong about me entertaining a PL on you. You are being the worst combination of noisy, unproductive, wrong, and then ^ this on top of it all. Oh and people are annoyed at me for getting sucked into it. So yes Im actually pretty stunned by your play in this game, its been a fairly earth shattering experience for my opinion of your playstyle. Pretty much the primary thing making me think you -could- be scum is burden of proficiency at this point but Im thinking this is just Mastin:SC/BRO::Mastin:AP/Nacho. Fuck, Nacho could even be scum, I dunno. But nothing you've said is a compelling reason to believe that.

Do you think CF is getting lynched?

Clearly not. I dont even know what to make of him, its quite clear our playstyles are fairly polar opposites regardless of what he flips. Ive been rather annoyed with him and that could be affecting my read there. Fortunately, I have the luxury of not having to hash out that read right now because he ISNT getting lynched even if I

fake an innocent

...

fake a guilty

.... howl about him being scum until I cant anymore. I'm interested in hearing what you have to say about PV. I actually sort of liked his interactions with Tammy (and Tammy made me , but dont think its affected my read there).

p-edit:

You can talk to me about it F16 ; )

[AngryPidgeon]

Also, Tammy said as much as she wanted to say about him. I doubt that would change until he shows up again.

Why? I think its pretty rare to find someone play emotionless most/all of the time. Like PV is more on that side of things and even he broke down a bit on mastin this game.

[AngryPidgeon]

Woah that was the wrong quote. Meant to quote this:

Late day 1, the cracks in the emotionless exterior bothered me.

[AngryPidgeon]

Usually when someone fabricates a town read on me it's close to this form. But in this case it's zeroed in, not floaty.

Could you expand on this?*

*Disclaimer: I dont really have a good ingame reason for wanting to know, Im mostly just curious.

[CarbonFiber]

I thought that his "you'll have to depend on investigation to read me" post during day 1 looked like town confidence. I could go all "oh shit godfather", but IME that kind of comment comes from town a lot more often than scum.

Late day 1, the cracks in the emotionless exterior bothered me. His response, which I thought boiled down to "yeah but it's part of my master plan to show cracks in the exterior in this circumstance" also bothered me.

There's not much to do about further sorting him when he's absent.

Do you think he shouldn't be reading you as town based on the differences between your playstyles? How do you think he came off in his interactions with Mastin earlier today?

[MastinSSK]

Pretty much the primary thing making me think you -could- be scum is burden of proficiency at this point but Im thinking this is just Mastin:SC/BRO::Mastin:AP/Nacho.

I'm totally calling everyone in this game scum at some point or another and making as many crazy theories as I can, so that when the game is over, no matter what, I can pull them up from my iso and go, "A-HA! You shoulda listened to me."















But seriously. While I have the time, technically, to read and respond to the more recent posting, I really need to do some prep work before I leave, and should really, really, REALLY take a nap since I'm working on zero hours of sleep right now.
I'll do so when I'm able to. (Worst case, on Monday.) Soyeah, don't lynch me before then.

[AngryPidgeon]

Cupcake you can call scum. You'd be wrong

[Breakfast With Sandy]

Woah that was the wrong quote. Meant to quote this:

Late day 1, the cracks in the emotionless exterior bothered me.

Sorry bothered isn't really the right word. I noticed it because he'd made such point about his playstyle earlier. So I pushed him on it. The response was where most of the bother is centered.

I also wanted to see what he'd say about my own self-description of my play. He accepted it at face value, which suggests something about how deeply he's processing the game.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

Woah that was the wrong quote. Meant to quote this:

Late day 1, the cracks in the emotionless exterior bothered me.

Sorry bothered isn't really the right word. I noticed it because he'd made such point about his playstyle earlier. So I pushed him on it. The response was where most of the bother is centered.

I also wanted to see what he'd say about my own self-description of my play. He accepted it at face value, which suggests something about how deeply he's processing the game.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

I thought that his "you'll have to depend on investigation to read me" post during day 1 looked like town confidence. I could go all "oh shit godfather", but IME that kind of comment comes from town a lot more often than scum.

Late day 1, the cracks in the emotionless exterior bothered me. His response, which I thought boiled down to "yeah but it's part of my master plan to show cracks in the exterior in this circumstance" also bothered me.

There's not much to do about further sorting him when he's absent.

Do you think he shouldn't be reading you as town based on the differences between your playstyles?

I don't think that at all. It's a fact of mafia life that people have to find way to develop reads on players who don't approach the game similarly. It had more to do with me oversimplifying my day 1 play and him accepting it.

How do you think he came off in his interactions with Mastin earlier today?

I thought overall he came off well. There are some similar themes in all that to what caught my attention late day 1 in terms of his statements about strategic use of what I'm going to call exasperation but I think encompasses more.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

Usually when someone fabricates a town read on me it's close to this form. But in this case it's zeroed in, not floaty.

Could you expand on this?*

*Disclaimer: I dont really have a good ingame reason for wanting to know, Im mostly just curious.

It's filed under strategic advantage; arms race.

so no.

[AngryPidgeon]

I also wanted to see what he'd say about my own self-description of my play. He accepted it at face value, which suggests something about how deeply he's processing the game.

I dont understand. You expect someone to be nervous that you are lying about your playstyle? In a game full of people who would know you are lying about your playstyle? And really, I dont see why its that important of a thing in the first place.

[AngryPidgeon]

(expired on 2014-05-07 22:26:21)

^ So whatever happens today, can we not just circlejerk until deadline and then panic?
I was p serious about wanting an arbitrary 5 day out deadline.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

I also wanted to see what he'd say about my own self-description of my play. He accepted it at face value, which suggests something about how deeply he's processing the game.

I dont understand. You expect someone to be nervous that you are lying about your playstyle? In a game full of people who would know you are lying about your playstyle? And really, I dont see why its that important of a thing in the first place.

I wasn't lying about my playstyle

in this game

and I didn't expect anyone to challenge me on the statement. But I did seriously oversimplify. I've given up on ever understanding how players who actually have played several games with me characterize my play style.

Someone who's playing with me for the first time, however, unless they're doing meta research (which he's shown no overt signs of having done or doing) usually either soaks up the feel of the room or winds up with the idea that I'm "not doing anything useful".

The feel of the room day 1 was "not doing anything useful" at least until I went into the mode of defending Rancid. With that, I think I the consensus probably changed to "actively doing deleterious stuff" given the majority Rancid read at that point.

[Breakfast With Sandy]

I dunno. I expect my read to firm up there with more data. The main point is that he's indicated that cracks and other expressions of frustration are strategic. Which if true kinda takes away from the potential effectiveness of displaying them.

[AngryPidgeon]

It doesnt sound like a strategic thing to begin with TBH.

[Katsuki]

I expect my read to firm up there with more data.

You don't have enough data after 180 pages? >.>

[Breakfast With Sandy]

It doesnt sound like a strategic thing to begin with TBH.

What do you make of a player saying it is?

[Breakfast With Sandy]

I expect my read to firm up there with more data.

You don't have enough data after 180 pages? >.>

It's a sign of the fully earned level of respect I have for your town game; your total lack of scumhunting and main contribution to the game being posts like this hasn't drawn my vote.

[PeregrineV]

I want to talk to someone about Clyton. He is the nullest of null-reads to me.

The start of my town-read on him came from 2208.

From there, his posts seem more townish than scum, especially given the state of *other* gameposts.

I can go back through and read again, but since he's not here to answer stuff it'll just be my opinions.

[AngryPidgeon]

It doesnt sound like a strategic thing to begin with TBH.

What do you make of a player saying it is?

I dont think its alignment indicative, to be sure. A lot of people think silly things about strategy.

I dunno. I'd make an opinion on your assertion that hes taking away from his own strategy by saying it is a strategy, but I certainly dont understand what he thinks hes accomplishing enough to say whether or not thats true. And I've had people (you?) use this as a point against me incorrectly in the past when I've talked about wanting player X to rage in order to be come readable, etc so I dont put much stock in it as alignment indicative.