League of Legends (Old)

[RayFrost]

The first few games in placements are the biggest swing. There's a huge weight placed towards your mmr (match making rating, essentially elo but hidden) in the first few games which set the "area" you're in, and then it tweaks from there with your later games. If you win 3 early and then lost 5 and win 2, you'll get placed higher than if you lose 3 early and then win 5 and lose 2.

If you duo with someone, it inflates your mmr. The results of losing / winning changes.

For example if your friend is diamond 1 and you lose, the hit to your friend is bigger than the hit to you. Likewise if you win he gets less but you get a lot more.

On the reverse end, if your partner is bronze 5, you'll take a huge hit to your mmr if you lose and get less if you win. While your partner gets the same effect as you did when paired with the diamond.

If you're both in placements, losing costs more for both of you and winning gets more for both of you.

The current "starter" mmr is around silver 2/3, for perspective. Saying 1200 is kinda unclear given that mmr is hidden.

It used to be 1200 elo back when elo was used as the unit of measurement.

[Iecerint]

I wouldn't partner with someone who was already ranked, so it sounds like we would start at 1200, maybe a little more for the matching boost.

[RayFrost]

If he's played even one ranked game, it'll be different.

[Iecerint]

I think it's possible that he played ranked in like season 2 or something, but it's been ages. No solo/duo or ranked team matches this season.

[Iecerint]

My plan is to try to play on my own while I'm in California with AP. ^^~

But I may not have enough IP for the champions yet.

Also yay Cassiopeia ARAM is so broken.

[Iecerint]

(Clarification: I'll be in California with AP; not playing ranked with AP)

[quadz08]

I mean that's a lie but ok?

sadly, it's not a lie

FTR, Sitechat != Scumchat.

Scumchat is on AIM, is separate etc. It's not super chatty anymore, but people do actually talk in there.

/off-topic

I had a fun time playing a bot game with ETL last night, if anyone else is low levels and wants to play with other terribad lowbies, add me. It was a nice break from the ARAM grind that I've been on.

He's talking about the 'scumchat' room on the LoL client

[quadz08]

I mean that's a lie but ok?

sadly, it's not a lie

FTR, Sitechat != Scumchat.

Scumchat is on AIM, is separate etc. It's not super chatty anymore, but people do actually talk in there.

/off-topic

I had a fun time playing a bot game with ETL last night, if anyone else is low levels and wants to play with other terribad lowbies, add me. It was a nice break from the ARAM grind that I've been on.

so that was already mentioned nvm

[JasonWazza]

Also yay Cassiopeia ARAM is so broken.

I got a penta in ARAM off her last night.

Annie goes in for a tibers stun over my Poison, i Ulti.

The announcer only gives out a penta kill, no call for a double/triple/quad.

[BROseidon]

Support Brand actually seems pretty strong right now. at least for the nobody knowing how to fight it factor.

Oh god that shit was the worst.

I also think it hard-counters Sona.

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

Gotta love people in ranked with an ego so big that they can't take advice.

I whomp this Swain in lane, we were both the capitains, and he clearly bans only mids, and then picks swain, I try to tell him after the game to not ban only mids with a champ that can realistically go into two lanes (I have seen Swain's top) and he goes back at me saying "You counter picked me and only went even"

Now this is after a game where he got counter picked (Ziggs) and was camped by Udyr all early game, he was 50 CS down within the first 15 minutes.

He went "Even" with me.

God people need to take their ego's out of the game.

People play Swain?

I tried it a couple of weeks ago and it's still a horrible experience. If you get pushed under tower you're basically gonna fall behind because Swain farms horribly under tower. The only good thing is you have a low death potential.

[BROseidon]

Heh

Had an ad lulu/sup katarina botlane yesterday. Effing nightmare

One time, I fucked up my support masteries and had AD jungle masteries on my support Lulu.

I decided to roll with it. Turned out pretty good. We won that game pretty badly, and BotrK+Wit's End+FM Lulu has strong peel and damage.

[BROseidon]

It's not, i just got my ADC fed and then was like "Fuck this he can solo farm, i'm gonna roam mid"

And Sona (I don't even fucking know how) does like 1/2 of the enemy jinx's health from a Q and Passive AA early game (Level 2).

Sona does metric fucktons of damage.

Her damage is brokenly strong early.

[BROseidon]

Chesskid, what was your level of experience before playing ranked? Do you regret starting ranked when you did? How long did it take you to climb from your starting position to where you are now?

I know conventional wisdom is to get 250 normal wins before doing ranked to avoid bronze, but if climbing out is quick enough, I might risk it. I think our normal win count is kinda similar, so I am wondering if I would be in a position similar to you if I start ranked in a month or so.

Granted, I started playing in season 1, but...

I started ranked right when I hit 30 as a jungle main (J4/Amumu/WW main at the time). After placements I was 1300 Elo (so like high bronze/low silver by today's standards, I think), and I only played solo queue thereafter. Ended season 1 at 1520 (which would be gold 5 by today's standards).

I also duoqueued most of my games from level 15 onwards with a reasonably-high mmr player in normals, but if you've been duoing a lot with AP, you're probably in a similar spot.

Also, being a support main is free Elo. Like, if you can function as a support player, you should be pretty good at lower MMRs because you'll consistently outperform the other non-support main who got stuck on support and is angry about it.

[BROseidon]

Except, I've played inhouses. With me being the "offset" to ani and everyone else roughly paired up by league, and anytime ani wasn't support, his team lost.

Like I'm sure he's improved from playing ranked in silver, but the fact remains he got lucky in his promos.

Who you play against is based on your MMR, not your league.

Which is also why you see variation in how much LP you gain/lose. If your MMR is above your league/division, you gain more for wins and lose less for losses (I'm at +24/25 -15 right now because I recently had a streak where I went 16-4 to go from Gold I to Plat III). If you're MMR is below your league/division, you lose more than you gain (or get clamped at whatever 5 because the system wants you to be in a lower league)

[BROseidon]

Also the system adjusts your MMR more as you have consecutive wins/losses.

[BROseidon]

We already know that you're guaranteed to get high gold as long as you have 50% win rate or greater. You just need to play enough to get there.
You also had the distinct advantage of playing enough ranked to not decay to silver 3 twice this season.

Your win rate approaches 50 as you approach where you're supposed to be, so this statement doesn't make a lot of sense.

If you always in 51% of games always and forever, you'll eventually hit challenger. It might just take you a while to get there (this also isn't very realistic, but we can make a weird assumption that your play improves as your MMR increases such that you maintain a 51% win rate)

[BROseidon]

How are your ranked matches selected? For example, are they always at around the same skill level, or is it a function of your normal ELO?

I have a friend who doesn't play ranked but is kind of very good I think. If I duoed with him for placements, how would the difficulty of the placement matches change?

I am a little uncertain because I have seem charts that say things like "10/10 -> Silver 1" and "0/10 -> Bronze V" and such, but it seems like 10 wins is different depending upon whom you won against.

Ranked MMR.

[BROseidon]

(Clarification: I'll be in California with AP; not playing ranked with AP)

This is a bad idea, given that you're both support mains.

Duoing with AP is really funny b/c we have to decide who gets support, and who gets stuck in whatever other role doesn't get claimed.

[Iecerint]

I don't duo with AP much; he only wanted to play with me while he was here.

His frustration with the ping here is what makes me want to wait until I am in California (i.e., being with him, not doing placement with him).

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

Holy shit.

Random normal: I pick Veigar mid for fun

Go against Yasuo. GG before even going into that lane. Ugh

[Glork]

There seem to be a number of support mains here. I wonder why that is.

[TheIrishPope]

Top main master race holla

[RayFrost]

It's because support is the secret to getting high elo.

I'm not serious, but I do find it funny that AP / Brandi / Bro / Myself are all support mains and all high ranked.

[TheIrishPope]

I think that most people in bronze or silver don't want to main support because they see it as a role that is completely dependent on the skill of your adc (I.e. you can't carry) and they wouldn't trust someone who is in bronze those scrubs
So they rely on themselves in mid or top (top not so much in recent patches) to carry, because it makes them feel better about themselves and it doesn't make you rely on your teammates, which in their eyes increases their chances