Mini 1572 - The Network [Game Over]

[The Rufflig]

I've changed my mind. Let me go move my dart. I'll brb.

There!

UNVOTE:
VOTE: cxinlee

[kunkstar7]

:: VoteCount 2x5 ::

cxinlee (5)

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StrangerCoug, Aegor, snscompt1, Paschendale, The Rufflig

[L-1]

Paschendale (2)

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Snarky, Porkens

idk (1)

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RedCoyote

Not Voting (3)

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Saki, idk, cxinlee

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline for Day Two is in (expired on 2014-06-04 02:36:19).

[StrangerCoug]

My theory: sns and porkens were in a neighborhood, so I was pretty sure 1 was scum.

They both claimed masons in their subsection on May 11. You voted Porkens on May 20, almost a week and a half later. Do you even give the slightest iota about this game?

I literally just checked.

I will take that as a no.

[Saki]

hi

[The Rufflig]

Hi, Saki.

You initially expressed some suspicions towards those who did not react to sns' 5/13. Any updated thoughts now that you know 4 other players knew sns was town? Who are you suspicious of currently?

[Porkens]

vote: cxinlee

[RedCoyote]

Wait, is Porkens confirmed in some way? I need to reread.

[RedCoyote]

Oh, damn, I see the claim now. One second.

[RedCoyote]

Okay, guys, I made this because I was tired of connecting the numbers to the names. Figured y'all may want this as well. Still reading up.

[RedCoyote]

Posted too fast, forgot that cxinlee is one of the three that could have killed Beast.

This implies that you think scum killed beast. Fair enough, but how are you putting that hypothesis into action, Snarky? By that I mean, how is it influencing your reads? Are you solely looking for the shooter or are you looking at the game through the scope of "who benefits most from dead beast"?

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I am a Mason. My partner is SNS. We have a private topic that the 3 nodes between us can read but not post in. Six, CXinlee, StrangerCoug are those nodes. CXinlee is voting for me even though he knows I'm a mason.

Aegor and Pasch are probably town since they think I'm scum (or there is no scum in our connecting nodes although I kinda doubt that).

There. MAke game go now.

Okay. I think y'all should've held out another day, but what's done is done. I figured sns had some sort of role like this or a neighborish role. I think, without a doubt, one of SiX/cxinlee/SC is scum. I don't want to speculate as to if there is more than one in that group, but I would bet the game on one of those players being scum.

I think if Aegor and Pasch (especially pasch) knew we were masons (through chatting with their scum partner who is presumably in our group) they wouldn't have gone after me. I know it's also wifom, but I think Aegor is town anyway, and, all other things considered, Pasch seems genuine.

I really like this point, Porkens. This is good deductive work on your part. Don't let me forget I said this. I know I am prone to forgetting important little stuff like this, especially as town.

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Is a neighborhood a somewhat common thing here on MS? (and I'd like someone other than Porkens or the 4 people he mentioned to answer that) Because Porkens' posting is pretty anti-town, now that I look at it as a whole, and if he is a neighbor, he could be both scum and be connected with sns, who I view as town.

I was going to come after you for this, but you may genuinely be ignorant of the important distinction between a mason and a neighbor. Mason virtually guarantees that a user is town-aligned (MS has rightfully moved away from the role of "scum mason" as of the last few years... I'm 100% confident that our Mod would not use this role as it is one of the most bastard things a Mod could do). Neighbor does not carry any alignment implication. Both Masons and Neighbors can talk to one another.

In this scenario, as Porkens/sns have described, Porkens and sns are Masons and SC/Ruff/cxinlee can read their conversations. Porkens has told these three players that both him and sns are masons.

Alright, so very little actual information coming from cx. That being said, I believe we have the same theory, and that leads me to believe he is town (for now).

Your defense of cxinlee is strange here. Porkens has a very solid case here, and before cxinlee even has a chance to respond to it, you're sitting here calling him town and giving him pointers as to what defense to make. See:

Now that the cat's out of the bag, I feel safe saying that cx was thinking of sns and Porkens being in a neighborhood, just as I'm theorizing.

You're over-the-top in your justifications for cxinlee's actions as "he just thought it was a big neighborhood". I also don't like how you throw in token suspicions just to make it look like you considered them. See:

I'd consider the possibility that they are all a scum team, but considering that there are only 13 players in this game, I highly doubt that.

I don't see a reason for writing this except to make it look like you were trying to be "fair" and consider cxinlee as scum when in reality he's your scumpartner.

Basically, I view cx as leaning town, but if SiX is scum, then so is cx.

Wait, how do you get to this? You think they have to be scum together if SiX flips scum? Why? I didn't get that from your 508.

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What if sns and Porkens are scum that have to act like masons in that thread, and town here.

What do you mean by "have to"? Like a post restriction? That's got to be one of the worst theories I've ever heard.

I mean, talk about a stretch. Are you serious? This is a horrible, horrible post. Snarky and idk are both of my scum list for trying to defend cxinlee before cxinlee has even had a chance to respond to Porkens himself.

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I don't know what cxinlee is thinking, but I do not think he would try and get a mason claim lynched as scum. At least, not when the two masons could be joined by the two additional observers against him. 12 players alive, 7 to lynch. The masons wouldn't vote for each other and neither SC (I presume) or I would vote for the masons either. That leaves 7 of 8 players to get a mason lynch. What happens if such a lynch does appear inevitable? The masons claim. Now what? The masons and the two observers turn on cxinlee. It just wouldn't work out.

It's ironic, I think, because you, idk and Snarky have effectively poisoned any chance that cxinlee could've dug himself out of this hole in my eyes now. Because you three didn't wait until cxinlee could've responded to this independent of these defenses y'all have given him, I can no longer trust anything he'll say won't just be some sort of copy of these.

The observers [cxinlee, StrangerCoug and myself] sort of form a neighborhood. It is pretty common for there to be a scum member in a neighborhood of 3 or more.

If you believe this, then why not support the cxinlee wagon? I don't understand how you can hold this opinion and the opinion that the cxinlee isn't how the town should move forward.

I agree with all of your numbered points outside of your reads. By the by, good to play with you again, my friend.

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I literally just checked.

This is actually believable given cxinlee's playstyle, but I don't buy it. This also assumes that Porkens/sns weren't very vocal about their claims, which I doubt as well. Unless SC/The Ruff/Porkens/sns all agree that the mason claims were too subtle in the QT, then I refuse to accept that he "missed it".

I'm ready to hammer. cxinlee, please claim in your next post.

[The Rufflig]

giving him pointers as to what defense to make.

Scum daytalk.

If you believe this, then why not support the cxinlee wagon? I don't understand how you can hold this opinion and the opinion that the cxinlee isn't how the town should move forward.

It was partially a gut feeling. cxinlee got placed at L-1 without having given a response to sns. Second, I couldn't conceive of an observer making an attack on a claimed masons without a damn good reason. Meanwhile, Pasch was not receiving any attention. I wanted to probe here a bit. To be brutally frank, I had a much worse reason. After reading the thread, I was aware of the suspicion and votes my predecessor had racked up. I was unwilling to bet the farm on cxinlee in my first substantial post of the game.

I'm ready to hammer. cxinlee, please claim in your next post.

cxinlee has already been hammered.

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It's great to see you again, RedCoyote.

[snscompt1]

Sorry, just been busy and hard starting back up after the site being down. Will catch up and post tonight.

[Paschendale]

Did you mean to hammer, Porkens?

[kunkstar7]

:: Final Day Two VoteCount ::

cxinlee (6)

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StrangerCoug, Aegor, snscompt1, Paschendale, The Rufflig, Porkens

[Lynched.]

Paschendale (1)

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Snarky

idk (1)

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RedCoyote

Not Voting (3)

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Saki, idk, cxinlee

Lynch has been reached at 6 votes.

Modscene forthcoming....

[kunkstar7]

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07. cxinlee,

Mafia Godfather

, Lynched Day 2.

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Day Three Begins.

Deadline for Day Three is in (expired on 2014-06-15 14:49:16).

[StrangerCoug]

Right now I'm disinclined to go after Paschendale. It's possible that more than one scum node could have been connected to beastcharizard, but I have not seen a convincing case for Pasch-scum.

Snarky seems to be a bit off to me as regards cxinlee. I want to see him respond to RedCoyote.

[Paschendale]

Everyone who didn't vote for CX, justify that choice.

[Snarky]

Posted too fast, forgot that cxinlee is one of the three that could have killed Beast.

This implies that you think scum killed beast. Fair enough, but how are you putting that hypothesis into action, Snarky? By that I mean, how is it influencing your reads? Are you solely looking for the shooter or are you looking at the game through the scope of "who benefits most from dead beast"?

This didn't imply anything. I was just wondering why a wagon formed so suddenly on cxinlee. This wasn't my opinion, it was everyone else's voting cxinlee.

What if sns and Porkens are scum that have to act like masons in that thread, and town here.

What do you mean by "have to"? Like a post restriction? That's got to be one of the worst theories I've ever heard.

I mean, talk about a stretch. Are you serious? This is a horrible, horrible post. Snarky and idk are both of my scum list for trying to defend cxinlee before cxinlee has even had a chance to respond to Porkens himself.

Nah, no post restriction. If they don't post in the "mason" thread as scum, they look suspicious to the observers. But yeah, it was a bad theory.

Everyone who didn't vote for CX, justify that choice.

I really thought the fact he pointed out RC's townslip was a town tell, cause it is quite hindering to the scum team to clear someone as town like that. Maybe this means RC is his scumbuddy, but I don't think so, RC is pretty much conftown to me. Maybe he was just looking for the towncred. If I had seen his "I never gave a damn about the mason subthread" post earlier, I would have voted him.

[Porkens]

Did you mean to hammer, Porkens?

Yessir

[Snarky]

I have a calculation dilemma,help me here...

As RC said here:

Porkens, you're aware that SiX has replaced out, yes?

Snarky, you were given the power to hide with that case you made on SC.

He gave me a one-shot hider role. I die if I hide behind scum, so I thought I could use it as an investigation tool. At the same time, if I claim who I'm hiding behind, and that person is town, scum can kill that person, and him and I die, thus -2 townies..

So I thought of this. I can hide behind either StrangerCoug and Paschendale (RC and sns are conftown). If I die, one of them is scum, if I survive, I claim who that person was and that person is conftown. Scum can try to shoot one of them (if one of them is town ), but they have 50% chance of missing since I have not claimed exactly who I was hiding behind.

Is it worth it?

[Paschendale]

I mean, you just said how it can be exploited. I don't think that's a good idea.

[The Rufflig]

@snarky: With the knowledge of it out in the open, the only way to reduce the risk is by not announcing on what day you will use it. Don't breadcrumb your choice of days or player. Other than that, use your best judgment. You probably should have used it yesterday after the mason claim. Water under the bridge. Good luck.

[StrangerCoug]

No reason to question Snarky here. Time to me to get back to work...

[Aegor]

Well...

Snarky, I agree with The Rufflig. Claiming after a successful hide would have been my choice, but whatevs.

I am super bummed because I did not like Snarky or Porkens' leaps onto the Pasch wagon, but one is a Mason and other claimed PR, so at least one of them is a definite dead end.

I assume someone will die in-thread shortly.


My top lynch for today is idk.

[Aegor]

So VOTE: idk