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Post Post #750 (ISO) » Sun Jan 18, 2015 6:14 pm

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Faster Than Light wrote:@Copper:
I targeted CoA with an ability last night. The shot of my ability was used, so I do not believe I was blocked (which usually makes the ability not use a shot).
I may have been redirected in some way or form.
I would normally rationalize that our flipped Rolestopper did a rolestop on CoA, but why would they? Their deathflip said CoA was their biggest scumread.
The only way for my ability to fail and the shot of it to be used up is if CoA has a passive that negates it (already claimed no passives) or if someone used an ability specifically that would change targets/results. I think that if we had that sort of ability town-side, it would be too strong from a setup perspective, ESPECIALLY if CoA is the role they claim to be.
It leaves me with the following:
CoA is lying and scum
OR
Some other ability exists that changed the target/results of my ability and forced my ability to lose its shot. This results in pretty much the following scenarios for me:
The ability is townsided and targeted me (no clue, we didn't crumb or anything iirc). If so, town should claim it so we don't potentially mislynch.
The ability is townsided and targeted CoA. If so, feels like this would be way too much town power especially if CoA is even-night-investigative.
The ability is scum-sided and targeted me. Scum lucked out.
The ability is scum-sided and targeted CoA. Scum defended scum, essentially.

So far, though, I am leaning very heavily on CoA just lying. Too many really coincidental things would have to line up and the random calling us a rolecop is a really strange play for town to make.


What are the rules and assumptions you're basing any of this off of and did you clarify this with ffery.

Why would a roleblocker refund your shot while a rolestopper wouldn't?
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Post Post #751 (ISO) » Sun Jan 18, 2015 6:15 pm

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I did ask, CoA.
Ffery said the shot of my ability was used.
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Post Post #752 (ISO) » Sun Jan 18, 2015 6:16 pm

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So you were not blocked.
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Post Post #753 (ISO) » Sun Jan 18, 2015 6:17 pm

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Faster Than Light wrote:I did ask, CoA.
Ffery said the shot of my ability was used.

Not what needed clarification.

You said you don't "believe" you were blocked. I don't give a fuck what you "believe." Did ffery explicitly tell you your ability would be refunded in the event you were blocked?
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Post Post #754 (ISO) » Sun Jan 18, 2015 6:22 pm

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@FTL: I also targeted CoA last night. Getting clarification if my ability would have stopped you in all cases or only very specific ones.
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Post Post #755 (ISO) » Sun Jan 18, 2015 6:24 pm

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P-EDIT: I just wrote a huge post on how it would or would not have worked, but god damn it Brantz.
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Post Post #756 (ISO) » Sun Jan 18, 2015 6:24 pm

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P-EDIT: I just wrote a huge post on how it would or would not have worked, but god damn it Brantz.
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Post Post #757 (ISO) » Sun Jan 18, 2015 6:37 pm

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I'm not outing my role regardless.
Basically:
There's a significant difference from an ability that reads
'Stops a player from using their abilities'
and one that says:
'Prevents a player from being affected by any abilities.'

The latter of those two typically results in shots being used from a limited-shot ability. This is like how a 1-shot kill is used when a target gets doctor'd or how a 1-shot cop gets used up even if it hits a miller or a godfather. If you were rolestopped as the flipped rolestop ability reads, I would lose my shot.

I hadn't even considered that Cephrir meant they didn't use the rolestop at all. I thought he was referring to the Loverizer ability.
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Post Post #758 (ISO) » Sun Jan 18, 2015 6:42 pm

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@FTL: I only would have prevented your ability if you attempted to kill CoA last night, all other abilities would have resolved as normal through mine.
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Post Post #759 (ISO) » Sun Jan 18, 2015 6:51 pm

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Vote Count 2.2
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Post Post #760 (ISO) » Sun Jan 18, 2015 6:53 pm

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Well, that pretty well outs me.
Yeah, we tried to vig him.
I thought he was bulletproof and bluffing.
Why would you doctor CoA?a

Oh.
Oooh, my vote is on Catastrophe?
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Post Post #761 (ISO) » Sun Jan 18, 2015 6:54 pm

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Lemme try this differently?
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Post Post #762 (ISO) » Sun Jan 18, 2015 6:55 pm

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I didn't I put him in Jail.
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Post Post #763 (ISO) » Sun Jan 18, 2015 6:56 pm

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VOTE: kthxbye
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Post Post #764 (ISO) » Sun Jan 18, 2015 6:56 pm

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Mod: Is the vote-count you posted correct--IE: was my vote on Catastrophe despite me voting CaskofAmontillado intentional or a mistake?
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Post Post #765 (ISO) » Sun Jan 18, 2015 6:56 pm

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coffee brake, sometimes I'm happy this game is not live.
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Post Post #766 (ISO) » Sun Jan 18, 2015 6:58 pm

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Faster Than Light wrote:
Mod: Is the vote-count you posted correct--IE: was my vote on Catastrophe despite me voting CaskofAmontillado intentional or a mistake?


The automatic vote counter couldn't handle "Cask". I've fixed the vote count, and also fixed the vote counter parameters so it won't happen again (I hope!).
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Post Post #767 (ISO) » Sun Jan 18, 2015 6:58 pm

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ebwop: apparently I forgot to vote him earlier.
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Post Post #768 (ISO) » Sun Jan 18, 2015 6:59 pm

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I tried to kill him. Thought he was scum.
Now I guess we're in a pickle.
Dude's still probably scum. /shrugs.

Also, I want to apologize for playing like shit in our previous games, Sthar8.
I'll defend my play in them even if it wasn't optimal, but I'm sorry that you had such a negative experience in them with me.

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Post Post #769 (ISO) » Sun Jan 18, 2015 7:00 pm

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copper223 wrote:coffee brake, sometimes I'm happy this game is not live.

Me too.

Otherwise I would probably be arrested for attempting to gouge people's eyes out.
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Post Post #770 (ISO) » Sun Jan 18, 2015 7:01 pm

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UNVOTE:

I think kthx is far too defensive of his role, for the record.
Also, I think we should lynch out of the pool on the lynx wagon. We're guaranteed at least one scum there. I tried to pick my Vig target last night out of people not on the wagon but I guess I botched that given the jailkeeping.
At least that clears Brantz, I guess?
/shrugs.
I'm probably gettin' gamed.
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Post Post #771 (ISO) » Sun Jan 18, 2015 7:03 pm

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@BRantz
Did you target CoA because you thought he was town or mafia?


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Post Post #772 (ISO) » Sun Jan 18, 2015 7:04 pm

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Faster Than Light wrote:UNVOTE:

I think kthx is far too defensive of his role, for the record.
Also, I think we should lynch out of the pool on the lynx wagon. We're guaranteed at least one scum there. I tried to pick my Vig target last night out of people not on the wagon but I guess I botched that given the jailkeeping.
At least that clears Brantz, I guess?
/shrugs.
I'm probably gettin' gamed.

I'm glaring at you through my computer screen right now.
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Post Post #773 (ISO) » Sun Jan 18, 2015 7:04 pm

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VOTE: Bookitty
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Post Post #774 (ISO) » Sun Jan 18, 2015 7:05 pm

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I targetted CoA because I thought he was mafia.
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