Mini 1630: Edgar Allan Poe uPick GAME OVER!

[fferyllt]

Vote Count 2.2

About twelve by the moon-dial,
One more filmy than the rest
(A kind which, upon trial,
They have found to be the best)
Comes down—still down—and down
With its centre on the crown
Of a mountain’s eminence,
While its wide circumference
In easy drapery falls
Over hamlets, over halls,
Wherever they may be—
O’er the strange woods—o’er the sea—
Over spirits on the wing—
Over every drowsy thing—
And buries them up quite
In a labyrinth of light—

Kthxbye

(1): Faster Than Light

BRantz

(1): Kthxbye

Bookitty

(1): copper223

Medea the Alien

(1): CaskOfAmontillado

Not Voting

(7): Krystal Bald, BRantz, Catastrophe, Ghatokaca, TierShift, Bookitty, Medea the Alien

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline: February 3, Midnight US Eastern Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2015-02-02 21:00:00)

Mod Notes:

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[Faster Than Light]

So, I thought about it, and really, there's two things that could be possible and both net us a scum lynch.
Krystal is lying and scum and wants Kthx lynch because Kthx is a power role Krystal can't keep around.
Krystal is telling the truth and Kthx is just straight up scum.

No matter what, I think the Kthx lynch is the best option.

[TierShift]

BRantz is probs my number one scum. His posting just reads fake to me. It's largely gut, but when I get time, I'll delve in wmore to try and explain the reads in this post more in depth.

discuss a BRantz lynch pls

Lol this guy

2) TierShift
---He says he can prove his towniness with his role. If it wasn't for that he'd take my #1 spot. I don't really like how he tried to say that certain people couldn't be on the Lynx wagon due to their wanting to be on the Lynx wagon; it read like scum trying to direct the wagon. I also feel like the way he just said "yesterday's lynch was wasted..." without really trying to figure it out is not what I'm used to seeing from townTier. I'd like him to claim before lylo.

I already claimed in 794. You played like one game with me, so I don't know what you're expecting from my towngame, exactly. My proactiveness comes and goes with other games, schedule and whether or not I feel like playing mafia.

Scum are split 2-1 or 1-2 across the lynch. Whoop dee fucking doo. We gain absolutely nothng from that. Not enough to justify the mislynch. I could have added to the whole useless spec that ensued in the following pages, or I could just accept it for what it was. Nothing.
Now, if by 'trying to figure it out' you mean scumhunting instead of useless setup spec, I have no idea why you lumped it in there. But I will do that sometime soon, hopefully. For now I'm happy voting probable scum in kthx. I'll take a look at his claim again and then decide.

I'd like to add that while I do have another ability than the treestump thing, it's not an after death-thing, so that kind of destroys your idea of 1 power while alive, 1 while dead.
Since you're town, I'll demonstrate my other power to you tonight. Promised. If I do not, you can quote this post and shake your head real hard.

@mod: can krystal bald still vote?

[TierShift]

Well, I can find nothing in kthx's claim that suggests a strongman, rather a line that denies having other abilities.
I can also not think of a reason for town to have a strongman.

VOTE: kthx

[CaskOfAmontillado]

I'm only addressing Important Things in this post. If you think something is Important, but I don't talk about it, please point it out so I can explain why I think it's Not Important.

F-16 submitted the neighborize on Lynx last night, which originally wasn't exactly my intention but isn't the worst thing that could happen.

Do you have daytalk in your neighborhood?

Go ahead and 1v1 us, scum. You will lose.

VOTE: Faster than Light

Hey so remember what I said yesterday? 1v1 is a trap for bad players. You're not a bad player. Stop.

There is an amalgamation I can think of that allows us both to be town, but it requires very, very strange role interactions or far too much coincidence and town-power.
-V

very, very strange interactions like 'a doctor' or 'BP townie' or 'any protective role.' I cannot fathom that there would be one of those in a game with two vigs.

If I've got this straight, then the 'kamikaze on CoA' theory that CoA has provided assumes that we're a scum rolecop trying to push him because he's an even-night investigative role.
The problem with that is that we're not scum or a rolecop.
So, if anything, CoA outted themselves with what seems like an awkward attempt at a power play.
I don't see town freaking out and claiming after two votes like that.
Not someone as strong as CoA.

Also, I want to apologize for playing like shit in our previous games, Sthar8.
I'll defend my play in them even if it wasn't optimal, but I'm sorry that you had such a negative experience in them with me.

I mean, I haven't blacklisted you or anything. I'm sure you're a perfectly decent human being and a great guy. But since 100% of my experience with you is you acting like a VI, I'm gonna treat you like a VI. Incidentally, faking a guilty on me was not quite the right approach to starting to change that.

I targetted CoA because I thought he was mafia.

Hey so remember what I said yesterday about your play? Good job, that should be exactly what you're aiming for as a jailkeeper. Not scummy enough to get lynched, not townie enough to get shot.

But why would you target me over the confirmed town?

Show me where I told you to claim.
You're being irrational.
You claimed at 2 votes deep.
I hadn't even revealed the interaction that caused me to believe you were scum (on top of your play).
I fail to see how this is my fault.

You claimed. A guilty. On us. Why would she wait for L-1? What magical thing was she supposed to wait for before claiming? We're town, so she knew you were full of shit. The reasonable assumption there is that you were scum lying and trading one for one for some reason. TTH shouldn't have had to assume that you'd do something as arrogant, stupid, and horrendously anti-town as faking a guilty.

Unless you'd like to don your tin-foil hat and argue there's a third party on the lynch wagon, what's the problem you have with this Bookitty?

My current theory is not microwave-safe.

If they don't have a killing role, I'm inclined not even to care about them at this point. I think this discussion of third parties is pretty useless, honestly.

I agree, excepting that a 3p explains the language issue.

4. Why did you say that it was a guilty, more or less?
Between CoA's play, my failed kill on him,

and the fact that he continued to insist on me being a rolecop (weird) and that he had no passives (like bulletproof)

, it felt way too suspect. Also, I like to go all-in on players who I think are scum, even if I don't have a guilty. Conviction is important.

1) the bolded came AFTER you claimed your fake investigation. 2)Conviction may be important, but straight lying to the town is arrogant and shitty. 3) TTH said we had no passives you need to know about, not that we have no passives.

Generally I dislike sthar8's attitude so it's been kinda difficult for me to get a read on him.

I would apologize for making you feel this way, but that would be terribly disingenuous.

Well, I can find nothing in kthx's claim that suggests a strongman, rather a line that denies having other abilities.
I can also not think of a reason for town to have a strongman.

Hahahaha a third vig. You're hilarious.

Down with Kthx lynch, not voting because discussion.

@everyone- please stop discussing the scumkill tonight. They don't need your help, I promise.

@Brantz- what are your current scumreads, assuming kthx flips scum?

Did I miss anything?

-sthar8

[TierShift]

Thinking about leaving kthx alive as confirmed scum for his after death ability which is horrendous for town.

[Kthxbye]

holy shit, you guys are actually buying that.

ok, here's the deal folks, give me till Thursday so I can point out why everyone voting me is a dumbass

[Bookitty]

Krystal did in fact lose her vote to tell us this, as Post 950 will verify.

I trust her.

Only one person is voting you, Kthx. But by all means, take your time.

[CaskOfAmontillado]

Krystal's post restriction doesn't really fit Madeline Usher.
Wonder what ffery was thinking there. :S

[Bookitty]

Probably about Roderick and his dislike of noise. They lived together if I recall correctly.

I'm sorry I thought you were scum, CoA (both sthar and TTH). I don't think that now.

[copper223]

VOTE: Kthxbye
I was starting to think you were overselling the VI act, Krystal has littke reason to do what they did as scum.

[TierShift]

holy shit, you guys are actually buying that.

ok, here's the deal folks, give me till Thursday so I can point out why everyone voting me is a dumbass

Scumclaim?

Can I get feedback on my idea of letting kthx live as confirmed scum because of his abilities?

[Bookitty]

Thinking about leaving kthx alive as confirmed scum for his after death ability which is horrendous for town.

No. It's not that bad. In the game in which I had that power, I tried to sacrifice myself by baiting the nightkill to save my mason buddy who had a much more valuable power. It's a pro-town power, but we'll be fine without it.

I think Kthx is the lynch for today.

[copper223]

Definitely wouldn't mind burning some clock time, we still haven't heard from Medea either.

[copper223]

@Krystal
Also comon mate, comfirmed scum from your pov claims on me to try and mislynch me and you think I may be scum too?

[Bookitty]

Here are my reads given Krystal Bald's post (and thank you so much, Krystal, it sucks that you can't vote, but this information is SO helpful):

On the wagon, towniest to scummiest:

Bookitty
copper223
Ghatokaca
catastrophe
KthxbyeSCUM

Off the wagon, towniest to scummiest:

Krystal BaldTOWN
BrantzTOWN
Faster than lightTOWN
Cask of AmontilladoCONFIRMABLE
Tiershift
Medea the Alien

Reasons available on request for placement, town status or anything else.

[copper223]

@Boo
copper223TOWN
BookittyTOWN
catastropheTOWN
Ghatokaca Likely 3rd scum
KthxbyeSCUM

Off the wagon, towniest to scummiest:

Krystal BaldTOWN
BrantzTOWN
Faster than lightTOWN
Cask of AmontilladoTOWN
Tiershift unlikely 3rd SCUM
Medea the Alien likely 2nd SCUM

[copper223]

Scum is screwed imo.

[Catastrophe]

@Krystal: I've never been in a game with a cult. Also, you look at Bookitty's discussion of Ffery's wording and think that looks like town trying to figure things out? She actually argued that a PR's role PM should say whether there's another role in the game that will mess with their result. She was stubborn to the point of making arguments that didn't make any sense.

Anyway, I believe Krystal's result. I never considered the thing about the active and passive roles, and like I've been saying, Kthx being scum explains the way he claimed. Not to mention all the other scummy stuff he's done.

Although at some point we have to talk about the likelihood of town having a sensor, a rolecop and a third even-night investigative role.

We're considering Tier's idea of keeping Kthx around so we keep getting roleflips.

--tool.

[Bookitty]

Okay. I want to clarify something about why Catastrophe is on the bottom here.

I was considering that kthxbye's power when ALIVE was that he allowed town to see full role PM flips. That's how my power worked in that previous game.

Krystal has let us know that Kthx's power when alive was actually a strongman kill ability. His ability when DEAD is that he takes away the ability of town to see full role PM flips. That is a pro-scum power for sure and postulates that the natural state of this game is to see the full role PM and that his death alters that natural state.

Because I was thinking of it in the opposite way, I didn't understand Catastrophe making the comments he did about it being an anti-town power. This, to me, seems a little bit too knowing about how the power worked. I'm sure the scumteam shared info about the roles they were dealt. Cat was looking at it in a way that I don't think a single other person was, and it turned out to be correct.

If this is correct, though, copper will have been right and I will have been wrong about the distribution of the 2-1 scum split. This would be very irritating.

In any case, though, I think Cat is the most likely scum that isn't Kthx on the wagon side.

[Bookitty]

On the second thing: You're saying it's an anti-scum power. While I agree that depriving scum of information hurts them, I think it hurts town more. If we lose roleflips upon death, scum will later be able to get away with fakeclaiming things. If a player gets NK'ed or lynched without fully claiming, scum can later claim that role and town would be none the wiser that scum is claiming the role of a dead person.

We only partially agree. You say it's anti-scum, and while I agree that losing role flips would be bad for scum I assert that it is far more detrimental to town. Yes, it's anti-scum. It's way more anti-town. Therefore I don't agree with the argument that his role makes him town based on the assumption that it's an anti-scum role.

As a matter of fact, scum having this PR could help explain why Kthx claimed when he did -- as scum, he would know he wasn't in trouble of being NK'ed, and forgot that from a townie's point of view claiming would put him in danger.

To be entirely clear: I am not saying that I necessarily see Kthx as scum. I'm saying that Boo's reasoning here doesn't make sense to me. As a matter of fact I'm starting to believe a theory that might exclude the possibility that Kthx is scum. I want to get more coordinated with TSO before I talk about it.

These quotes only make sense if you view Kthxbye's power as an active one that he uses after his death. However:

I'm The Conqueror Worm. I am of the Morbid (as if I'd claim anything else). I enable full card flips. Upon my death, only character's and their alignment will be flipped. Not much better than VT and if ya'll think keeping town PR's from scum is worth it, lynch me.

Kthxbye claimed that power as a passive one that exists only while he is alive.

Catastrophe's view that it is an anti-town role depends on the fact (yes, now known fact) that it is, in fact, an active anti-town role. Town-Catastrophe couldn't have known that. Scum Cat, however, would know it quite well.

[copper223]

@Boo
That is a really good observation, especially because they say they may have a theory to clear kthxbye in the same post. I was discounting them because they scumread Kthx as soon as he claimed, but if they knew the role he claimed is not inherently townie, like everyone else assumed, bussing there makes a lot of sense.

[Bookitty]

There just isn't any way town-Cat knows that Kthxbye deprives us of role PMs rather than enables them, but every part of his argument with me was all about that. The difference in perspective was confusing the heck out of me.

Now that we know that it's true, we know he's scum.

And that makes two on the Lynx wagon, so I bow my head in shame for having been wrong about that.

[copper223]

Finding the second one if you just nailed them is by far a more important contribution, and just based on how good this read is I can say I don't even remember arguing about it <3

[Bookitty]

Thanks, copper <3