Mini 1630: Edgar Allan Poe uPick GAME OVER!

[copper223]

Sure but I thought I'd mention it in case it's a hidden vote or some other shenanigan, for the sake of being paranoid

[Kthxbye]

look. lynching Krystal today has zero downside. lynching me does. its a no brainer but do what y'all want.

[Catastrophe]

Hi. I'm TSO.

I have not been supporting tool whatsoever because I, again, have exams in 2 weeks. I have been skimming the thread but mainly posting in the Catastrophe PT. I, however, despise our hydra being scumread for no deal.

So, here's the deal.

Bookitty: Lay out your fucking case and stop arguing words with tool. That really fucking annoys me. He's town. We're town. tool is both correct enough and smart enough to kick your fucking ass in a war of words, and with the layers of bullshit and condescension in your words you clearly feel you can win, so either continue being a coward or stand up. Thanks.

copper: You can do 1 of 2 things here.

1) Stop the violent buddy of Bookitty and make your own case if you're so sure we are scum.
2) Run the fuck back to your scum topic.

-TSO

[copper223]

you forget the part where Krystal doesnt like her post restriction and doesn't care to play this game because of it.

It's my fault for claiming too early and giving scum an easy one for one fake claim.

This I have been thinking of as well.

[copper223]

As if I give a fuck about you now TSO, I see you have your priorities in the right place as a good townie should.

[Catastrophe]

Yeah, yeah, that's nice. Speaking of which...

[Catastrophe]

This is the last time I try.

Case 1
Imagine there are 6 players on that lynch, 4 are morbid, one is non morbid and one is non morbid but results on him yield no information (if you were to investigate him you would get a no result back), now the scan goes through, the mod says:

At least one is non morbid, this is accurate and integrates the information that there is a blank, with in this case there being 2 non morbid on the lynch.

Case 2
Imagine there are 6 players on that lynch, 4 are morbid, one is non morbid and one is morbid but results on him yield no information (if you were to investigate him you would get a no result back), now the scan goes through, the mod says:

At least one is non morbid, this is accurate and integrates the information that there is a blank, with in this case there being exactly 1 non morbid on the lynch.

Case 3.
Imagine there are 6 players on that lynch, 4 are morbid, one is non morbid and one is euforic aligned but results on him yield no information (if you were to investigate him you would get a no result back), now the scan goes through, the mod says:

At least one is non morbid, this is accurate and integrates the information that there is a blank, with in this case there being 1 non morbid and 1 euforic on the lynch.

As you can see, in all cases the phrasing the mod used is applicable, since we have no reason to believe there is a third party at the current time and I don't see why a morbid aligned would try to screw us over on purpose, we make the assumption this blank player is also scum.

Why did you use non-morbid repeatedly and then change to euforic?
More to the point, where did you get euforic?

[Bookitty]

Bookitty: Lay out your fucking case and stop arguing words with tool. That really fucking annoys me. He's town. We're town. tool is both correct enough and smart enough to kick your fucking ass in a war of words, and with the layers of bullshit and condescension in your words you clearly feel you can win, so either continue being a coward or stand up. Thanks.

Did you read the discussion? I HAVE made my case.

It depends on a kthxbye scum flip, though, so I'm waiting to see.

I'm not being condescending. I don't regard drawing scum as a moral failing nor yet a mental one. I'm saying, I think you're scum, here's why. I laid it out. You can like it or not, but you can't argue that I'm being a coward when I laid out my case from front to back right in the thread.

If kthxbye isn't scum, then my case falls apart completely. Then you can point and laugh, I guess. But if you can kick my ass in a war of words, please do so. Don't just talk about how you can.

[Catastrophe]

Because neither euforic nor euphoric are direct antonyms of morbid, in a Google search or in real life. So I don't understand how you came upon the word.

And, as well as this, in your Case 2 I am almost 100% sure that any town player would have claimed - the role causing confusion here is almost certainly anti-town aligned.

[Catastrophe]

Bookitty: Lay out your fucking case and stop arguing words with tool. That really fucking annoys me. He's town. We're town. tool is both correct enough and smart enough to kick your fucking ass in a war of words, and with the layers of bullshit and condescension in your words you clearly feel you can win, so either continue being a coward or stand up. Thanks.

Did you read the discussion? I HAVE made my case.

It depends on a kthxbye scum flip, though, so I'm waiting to see.

I'm not being condescending. I don't regard drawing scum as a moral failing nor yet a mental one. I'm saying, I think you're scum, here's why. I laid it out. You can like it or not, but you can't argue that I'm being a coward when I laid out my case from front to back right in the thread.

If kthxbye isn't scum, then my case falls apart completely. Then you can point and laugh, I guess. But if you can kick my ass in a war of words, please do so. Don't just talk about how you can.

Can you show me the one post where your case is laid out?

Because every time tool addressed one, the argument moved onto a new post, with slightly different arguments.

And I'm not saying -I- can kick your ass. I'm not even 100% caught up. tool, however, can and is.

[copper223]

@Cat
I made it up and I used it to represent a third faction that was neither morbid nor non-morbid so I couldn't call it non-morbid as well, because you know, I presented 3 different cases, these being 1 scum and 1 invisible scum, 1 scum and 1 invisible townie and 1 scum and 1 invisible third party, to show the mod could have ment any of these cases.

[Bookitty]

@Cat:

Okay. I want to clarify something about why Catastrophe is on the bottom here.

I was considering that kthxbye's power when ALIVE was that he allowed town to see full role PM flips. That's how my power worked in that previous game.

Krystal has let us know that Kthx's power when alive was actually a strongman kill ability. His ability when DEAD is that he takes away the ability of town to see full role PM flips. That is a pro-scum power for sure and postulates that the natural state of this game is to see the full role PM and that his death alters that natural state.

Because I was thinking of it in the opposite way, I didn't understand Catastrophe making the comments he did about it being an anti-town power. This, to me, seems a little bit too knowing about how the power worked. I'm sure the scumteam shared info about the roles they were dealt. Cat was looking at it in a way that I don't think a single other person was, and it turned out to be correct.

If this is correct, though, copper will have been right and I will have been wrong about the distribution of the 2-1 scum split. This would be very irritating.

In any case, though, I think Cat is the most likely scum that isn't Kthx on the wagon side.

On the second thing: You're saying it's an anti-scum power. While I agree that depriving scum of information hurts them, I think it hurts town more. If we lose roleflips upon death, scum will later be able to get away with fakeclaiming things. If a player gets NK'ed or lynched without fully claiming, scum can later claim that role and town would be none the wiser that scum is claiming the role of a dead person.

We only partially agree. You say it's anti-scum, and while I agree that losing role flips would be bad for scum I assert that it is far more detrimental to town. Yes, it's anti-scum. It's way more anti-town. Therefore I don't agree with the argument that his role makes him town based on the assumption that it's an anti-scum role.

As a matter of fact, scum having this PR could help explain why Kthx claimed when he did -- as scum, he would know he wasn't in trouble of being NK'ed, and forgot that from a townie's point of view claiming would put him in danger.

To be entirely clear: I am not saying that I necessarily see Kthx as scum. I'm saying that Boo's reasoning here doesn't make sense to me. As a matter of fact I'm starting to believe a theory that might exclude the possibility that Kthx is scum. I want to get more coordinated with TSO before I talk about it.

These quotes only make sense if you view Kthxbye's power as an active one that he uses after his death. However:

I'm The Conqueror Worm. I am of the Morbid (as if I'd claim anything else). I enable full card flips. Upon my death, only character's and their alignment will be flipped. Not much better than VT and if ya'll think keeping town PR's from scum is worth it, lynch me.

Kthxbye claimed that power as a passive one that exists only while he is alive.

Catastrophe's view that it is an anti-town role depends on the fact (yes, now known fact) that it is, in fact, an active anti-town role. Town-Catastrophe couldn't have known that. Scum Cat, however, would know it quite well.

There just isn't any way town-Cat knows that Kthxbye deprives us of role PMs rather than enables them, but every part of his argument with me was all about that. The difference in perspective was confusing the heck out of me.

Now that we know that it's true, we know he's scum.

And that makes two on the Lynx wagon, so I bow my head in shame for having been wrong about that.

[copper223]

Tell that to your partner Tool, he was the one who proposed an invisible townie.

[Faster Than Light]

Kthx, c'mon man:
If you're scum, just say so and stop dragging this out.
If you're town, then let yourself be lynched so that we can then lynch out Krystal, who is scum if you're town.

Isn't that easy?
If anything, resisting your lynch at this point is playing to a scum wincon.
If you're town, sure, you die, but then scum gets out'd.
Right?

-V

[copper223]

The fact you even postulated a fakeclaim there also hints at you having more information than you should, if you are aware of Kthx's role at that point you know he only partially claimed so saying he might be faking it may sound perfectly reasonable to you when it's not.

@Copper: I postulated that it could be a fakeclaim after Policy Lynch brought that up.
.

@Tool
That is a lie, you were the first to ask if someone believes that claim because you don't, and you go ahead and vote him shortly after, without any input from Policy.

[Bookitty]

Verifying what copper just said.

Post 455 by Policy Lynch shows the whole progression.

[copper223]

All of this is only valid if Kthx flips scum so that should be the focus anyway.

[CaskOfAmontillado]

This game seems to be bringing out the troll in everyone.

[Bookitty]

I'm not meaning to troll.

CoA: Could you look at Post 1036 and tell me if and how you think it's wrong?

It depends on a kthxbye scum-flip, but I'm relatively certain of that. ("It's a piece of cake!" -cue the cleaners-)

Seriously, I am pretty sure he will flip scum.

[CaskOfAmontillado]

@Cask: Why did you say town had two vigs?

Loverizer is a vig for balance purposes.

Hi. I'm TSO.

I have not been supporting tool whatsoever because I, again, have exams in 2 weeks.

No worries kiddo. Study hard!

copper: You can do 1 of 2 things here.

1) Stop the violent buddy of Bookitty and make your own case if you're so sure we are scum.
2) Run the fuck back to your scum topic.

-TSO

Copper's town, buddy.

Because neither euforic nor euphoric are direct antonyms of morbid, in a Google search or in real life. So I don't understand how you came upon the word.

And that's not something ffery would get wrong. She knows her stuff. Looks like a vocabulary slip to me, unless we get a 'euphoric' flip in which case turbolynch bad scum.

I'd just like to say that I'm quite enjoying playing with copper and kitty. Reminds me of Ye Olden Days, which is nice.

The argument surrounding tool's phrasing wrt kthx's ability is useless at best and distracting at worst. If he were town, his ability would be a flip enabler, which is slightly less negative utility than a miller. As scum, he's a universal death janitor, which is quite a nice consolation prize for his death. Everything else is just noise.

I am not inclined to listen to a potential strongman when he asks to be left alive for One More Night Please. The fact that he didn't address the actual WCS in his analysis makes me

so okay

with lynching him.

I am somewhat perturbed by the number of investigatives claimed, but we're not to broken yet. Particularly there could be enough direct counters to balance that, especially with a swingy number of vigs and some negative town roles. Thoughts on massclaim tomorrow?

In case we die tonight (which is by no means certain): We can communicate after death. The timing will be awkward, but I'll include verification info so the person who I communicate with can prove the message is from me.

I would lynch madea tomorrow, then prob ghato. We're reexamining the boo case, but she's not out of the woods either.

-sthar8

p-edit boo i'll look at it a little later

[TierShift]

@Boo
copper223TOWN
BookittyTOWN
catastropheTOWN
Ghatokaca Likely 3rd scum
KthxbyeSCUM

Off the wagon, towniest to scummiest:

Krystal BaldTOWN
BrantzTOWN
Faster than lightTOWN
Cask of AmontilladoTOWN
Tiershift unlikely 3rd SCUM
Medea the Alien likely 2nd SCUM

Why did no one ever comment on my claim?

second and third scum is between {medea;cat;ghato;bookitty} and I'll be damn sure to go over this some time.

[Bookitty]

Why did no one ever comment on my claim?

I did. You even answered me.

What do you expect people to say? Treestump, ghost... you apparently either don't know or aren't telling us what the thing was you did that made you into a real person for game purposes, so what do you expect people to comment on?

I mean, congratulations, I think, but I don't know what you think people should be saying.

[TierShift]

Well, everyone is just kind of neglecting it. I think it makes me town, but no one else seems t think so.

[copper223]

@Tier
I don't make it a habit to role fish, I assumed if you wanted to say something about your role you would come out with it. You said you can confirm yourself and I'm fine waiting to see what you mean.

The fact you turned from a tree stump to a voting player today doesn't seem particularly town indicative to me, if that is what you are asking about.

[TierShift]

The whole fact that I switched from non-voting to voting and how I tried to make that happen and how it worked out should make me town. There is nothing else, except for a minor detail that should come tomorrow.