Mini 1649: Jabberwocky Mafia (Game Over)

[Belisarius]

Hey since you're here, can you tell me your reasons for voting Seraphim?

I did:

I'd still prefer an aeroslot lynch based on DDD's play but I'll settle for Sera out of utter disgust with the current leading wagons.

[goodmorning]

"That's enough to begin with", Humpty Dumpty interrupted: "there are plenty of hard words there."

Votecount 1.19

FA_Q2 [L-1] - Witness Protection, Elbirn, BRantz, farside22, Belisarius, Valkyrie Mollie
BRantz [L-1] - hi im Yakko, T S O, Flubbernugget, Titus, TierShift, FA_Q2

Not Voting [1] - AxleGreaser

With 13 alive, it takes

7

to lynch. The day will end in (expired on 2015-03-13 22:00:00).

[Elbirn]

Hey since you're here, can you tell me your reasons for voting Seraphim?

I did:

I'd still prefer an aeroslot lynch based on DDD's play but I'll settle for Sera out of utter disgust with the current leading wagons.

So how do you reconcile that with your 149 and 155, where you avoid a Brantz wagon for being "too easy", but now you're all aboard the Seraph train to policy-lynch town?

[Belisarius]

Seraph's not too easy, the slot has been successfully flying under the radar all game.

I'm still pretty uneasy about the idea of a Brantz lynch.

[Belisarius]

Actually, I can't place my finger on why, but the wagon on Seraph feels sorta like the flashwagon on me in Open 480

[Elbirn]

Seraph's not too easy, the slot has been successfully flying under the radar all game.

I'm still pretty uneasy about the idea of a Brantz lynch.

How does being under the radar make the lynch not-easy?

What qualifies as an "easy" wagon, and what makes it a wrong choice?

A large amount of votes on one player without commensurate justification, and what makes it wrong is the lack of commensurate justification.

^ You said that an easy wagon is one without justification. What is the justification for this wagon?

[Elbirn]

And what don't you like about the BRantz wagon?

[BRantz]

I am just a vt. Do what you gotta do axle.

@FA: why would I change something that works for me just because people have a hard time reading it correctly?

[Titus]

Tier and Beli need serious looking into tomorrow.

Ready for hammer.

[Elbirn]

Agreed. Willing to hammer BRantz, someone wanted us to wait I believe?

UNVOTE:

[AxleGreaser]

Ready for hammer.

except for this

Just checking in before the day ends - will not be back on until 1800 pacific time. Please do not hammer before that time.

he may have just meant don't derp hammer him, or he may want to be sure he can post, last reads in twilight. (as i did here) 102
Its only time, so I will wait.
Its currently 7:59 PDT. we have 35 hrs.

[Titus]

Ok. If FAQ misses that, use your judgment.

[TierShift]

UNVOTE:
Pretty damn sure brantz is town due to latedt reactions to getting hammered.

VOTE: faq
I don't like their latest post wrt farside. Am somewhat okay with this lynch.

[farside22]

Tier and Beli need serious looking into tomorrow.

Ready for hammer.

I agree with you about beli

[farside22]

UNVOTE:
Pretty damn sure brantz is town due to latedt reactions to getting hammered.

VOTE: faq
I don't like their latest post wrt farside. Am somewhat okay with this lynch.

You know vague doesn't work Hun.
But whatever floats your boat.

[TierShift]

Farside, brantz doesn't just give up as scum. I have proof of that. As town he does what he thinks is best for the town.

This is obviously the latter situation; he's accepting his lynch, not claiming something extravagant in the hopes of making the night. Even in his claiming post, he admits defeat. It's not 'now that this is out of the way, can we please lynch faq?'. Instead, he just takes the bullet.

Faq has a pretty decent chance of flipping scum imo with his latest post, muuuuuch much more likely than brantz flipping scum.

[farside22]

Farside, brantz doesn't just give up as scum. I have proof of that. As town he does what he thinks is best for the town.

This is obviously the latter situation; he's accepting his lynch, not claiming something extravagant in the hopes of making the night. Even in his claiming post, he admits defeat. It's not 'now that this is out of the way, can we please lynch faq?'. Instead, he just takes the bullet.

Faq has a pretty decent chance of flipping scum imo with his latest post, muuuuuch much more likely than brantz flipping scum.

If I told you I miss read your post, would you understand why?

[T S O]

I'm here. Nothing to say.

It's a curious situation; I don't know how to analyse it. The resistance on both wagons seems equal.

[TierShift]

Farside, brantz doesn't just give up as scum. I have proof of that. As town he does what he thinks is best for the town.

This is obviously the latter situation; he's accepting his lynch, not claiming something extravagant in the hopes of making the night. Even in his claiming post, he admits defeat. It's not 'now that this is out of the way, can we please lynch faq?'. Instead, he just takes the bullet.

Faq has a pretty decent chance of flipping scum imo with his latest post, muuuuuch much more likely than brantz flipping scum.

If I told you I miss read your post, would you understand why?

no. can you please vote faq tho?

I'm here. Nothing to say.

It's a curious situation; I don't know how to analyse it. The resistance on both wagons seems equal.

Great, what do you think of brantz's latest posts?

[Elbirn]

VOTE: BRantz

[Titus]

Farside, brantz doesn't just give up as scum. I have proof of that. As town he does what he thinks is best for the town.

This is obviously the latter situation; he's accepting his lynch, not claiming something extravagant in the hopes of making the night. Even in his claiming post, he admits defeat. It's not 'now that this is out of the way, can we please lynch faq?'. Instead, he just takes the bullet.

Faq has a pretty decent chance of flipping scum imo with his latest post, muuuuuch much more likely than brantz flipping scum.

Disagree with this wholeheartedly.

[hi im Yakko]

catching up, ask me things. got some time.

I dont.

You are voting Brantz and were even before Tiers catchup.
Whats is your view of Tiers catchup posts?

They are fine. It's a catch up post. Not sure what you're measuring it against but what they give you is what you get be grateful.

catching up, ask me things. got some time.

I dont.

You are voting Brantz and were even before Tiers catchup.
Whats is your view of Tiers catchup posts?

we think tier is town. not that you were asking us or anything.

seraph if you do not do something amazing soon we are lynching you. unless I get pple to see the light wrt to far. like I just kinda wanna scream "go to the light my children! just go!" at this point.

this is policy. Your next sentence tho what does it meant? No clue what you're saying.

In the first three pages I expected there to be something of value but there is quite literally nothing.

thanks for the criticism. I suppose this is where I add a kettle being black comment?

Vla Posting wheee

To TSO. you said nothing but good things about me, then threw it out the windown with "elbirn trys Too hard to be town"? Literally what? If you read any of my games you'd see I play this way every game. It's a side effect of me having an Internet addiction and too much free time. but you don't say it based on my own playstyle, you compare it to yourself, which is just invalid and hokey.

To witness, why do you say nothing but bad things about tso and then end with "you're not a townread but there's common ground"? Your thought process is nonsense.

I have not seen this in awhile demanding someone town read you? That's how it read to me, lol.

And as far as the wp thing I'd say he might be seeing his biases or something? Just a thought.

[hi im Yakko]

Your point about our reads usually being different doesn't do it for me. After a day or so? Perhaps. After 5 pages, most of them garbage? No.

So you're saying that in a high noise, low signal environment, our reads should somehow match, but they'd be different given more information, assuming we're both town. Stipulation rejected. We form reads differently, you and I, and using a disparity between our reads as the basis of a scumread makes about as much sense as using the average level of precipitation in Bishkek over the last 7 days to determine a player's alignment.

What is the noise and what is the signal? Would like to know what you actually meant instead of what I think you actually meant.

This makes me feel mildly uneasy, but I'm not really sure why.

Your posts are full of this kind of thing and you tell me I'm shit posting?

Let's just say, even if you're Town, I doubt we'll be agreeing on much.

I don't think that is a bad thing tho. TSOs post like that make me think him town. Certainly not good but shitposting? I wouldn't call it that. He is saying what makes him uncomfortable.

Your point about our reads usually being different doesn't do it for me. After a day or so? Perhaps. After 5 pages, most of them garbage? No.

So you're saying that in a high noise, low signal environment, our reads should somehow match, but they'd be different given more information, assuming we're both town. Stipulation rejected. We form reads differently, you and I, and using a disparity between our reads as the basis of a scumread makes about as much sense as using the average level of precipitation in Bishkek over the last 7 days to determine a player's alignment.

In a high noise, low signal environment, the lack of signal should mean our reads converge more closely. I am using signal as the basis for my reads - so the only way that our reads can differ is if you are using noise as the basis for yours, which is terrible play, or if you are interpreting the signal differently to me - which I find hard to understand, given how limited it is.

What is the analogy even referring to? What is the noise and what is the signal?

Also, why is it significant that my reads differ from yours, but the same difference in every other player is irrelevant?

I see no scum motivation in that, but I'm curious as hell.

I second this question. iirc I didn't see it answered.

So TSO your entire case for why I am scum is that I made a joke, and that you didn't like one of my votes? (which you then ignored the entire conversation between farside and I about the situation afterward). Color me unimpressed by your analysis.

Don't have time now, but will talk about all of my reads after I get out of class tomorrow.

Yeah bashing someone for their read usually just reinforces it. Point and case. I don't like this post. Color me unimpressed as well.

@TSO, I see what Brantz is posting as pretty town..

Then we need to discuss this, because I certainly don't.

Seconded.

[hi im Yakko]

VOTE: Brantz
wagon.

anything important I should know?

What did you mean by wagon? As in you're wagon ing or there is a wagon on him?

because I don't see an explanation.

[hi im Yakko]

VOTE: Brantz

Why are you giving me towncred for the Tier wagon before he flipped?

Why are you voting brantz?

I'm not super happy about either wagon, really. As in people that are on it. I do have a preference, though.

Sera wagon forms too fast to be scum
Brantz's latest reads are super opportunistic with his flip on me and the vote change due to readslist feels a bit forced (as in 'I don't have a good reason to change votes, but here have a readslist')

VOTE: brantz
This the wagon yo

I don't like how there is the 'maybe we'll vote sera' sentiment but no one actually does it while there's a bigger wagon. The wagon that forms now is huge and rapid and has a few players on it that look like they are reeeaaaallly happy to let go off the leading wagon (brantz), especially brantz himself looks very opportunistic in that regard.

I base my vote solely off his latest readslist, axle. Go reread his stances before the wagons changed and after they changed. They are extremely self-preserving.

hmmmm yo this first two posts are like a minute apart. And then it takes like 3 hours to make the above post (or is it the least above?) whatever I don't like this.