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Post Post #625 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2015 12:00 pm

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Evidently.
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Post Post #626 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2015 12:02 pm

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Ok, my bad if that's the case, that is not the way I am used to seeing that role, let's check:

@mod: is the three stump in the link the one used in this game if it were choosen? He can decide when to become one in the thread and acts like a VT otherwise?
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Post Post #627 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2015 12:03 pm

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So if he's about to get lynched, he should write it.
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Post Post #628 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2015 12:05 pm

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Assuming he is one, of course.
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Post Post #629 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2015 12:19 pm

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Ok, I get it, but his behavior is still anti-town. Even if he can call tree stump, he's wasted a lot of D1 by having us talk about his play. If I'm a town tree stump, I play the game as usual and only use my ability if I'm about to get mislynched. NOT act in a way that promotes a mislynch.
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Post Post #630 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2015 12:24 pm

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I still think it's far fetched, if he changed his avatar for this game maybe, but he calls himself the whomping willow from the harry potter books so saying I am a tree can also be a reference to his avatar.

Plus if the startegy is act scummy, get scum to pounce and then confirm yourself, TTH basically gifted him a free mislynch by claiming he is likely town before the confirmation is needed, at that point yoi out your strategy and role, pick who you think was the scummiest and lynch, he is not doing any of that.
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Post Post #631 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2015 12:29 pm

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TTH?
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Post Post #632 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2015 12:35 pm

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I am a tree, nothing more nothing less
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Post Post #633 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2015 12:39 pm

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Soren wrote:TTH?

Needful.
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Post Post #634 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2015 12:42 pm

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copper223 wrote:
Soren wrote:TTH?

Needful.

Oh. I keep forgetting that he's a hydra.
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Post Post #635 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2015 1:32 pm

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Soviet Crocolisk wrote:Evidently.

@diego
I don't see you much. Any other thoughts before you possibly disappear into oblivion?
Who else other than ww, and possibly siren do you think is scum?
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Post Post #636 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2015 1:42 pm

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Didn't mean to quote that
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Post Post #637 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2015 2:43 pm

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This is the last game I was in with WW. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=60415

Iso him, you'll see he does the same tree stuff as he's doing here. He was town that game.

His tree behaviour is a null tell. If you're lynching him solely for the tree stuff, it's not because he's scummy, it's because he's anti-town.

I want to make that distinction clear, because hopefully you guys have actual scumreads that you'd like to push and not just vote because someone who is arguably anti-town.
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Post Post #638 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2015 3:25 pm

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The odds of a game using this setup having
both
a player with 3 vanilla cards
and
a player with 3 negative utility cards is about 1 in 500. So, now we're stretching plausibility with these claims. -It is still, technically,
possible
, of course, but only barely. I'd wager on at least one of these extraordinary claims being a lie.

prawneater wrote:This is the last game I was in with WW. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=60415

Iso him, you'll see he does the same tree stuff as he's doing here. He was town that game.

After looking through that, I see WW posted a full read list in that game, which we haven't seen here, despite that being requested. And WW seriously pushed at its scum reads in that game, to the point of near spamming the thread, whereas the pushes here have been much lighter. And while it did do the tree stuff in that game, that wasn't to the exclusion of content and interaction, like we've seen for the second half of this game so far.

So, if that game is what its typical town play looks like, although I am seeing the same curtness and brevity that was mentioned as being part of its style; here, the play looks much more like an attempt to just avoid content and interaction.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: WW
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Post Post #639 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2015 3:26 pm

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That should be L-1, for real this time.
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Post Post #640 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2015 3:32 pm

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prawneater wrote:This is the last game I was in with WW. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=60415

Iso him, you'll see he does the same tree stuff as he's doing here. He was town that game.

His tree behaviour is a null tell. If you're lynching him solely for the tree stuff, it's not because he's scummy, it's because he's anti-town.

I want to make that distinction clear, because hopefully you guys have actual scumreads that you'd like to push and not just vote because someone who is arguably anti-town.

Sigh. So we're just playing with a troll?

This guy should get banned.
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Post Post #641 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2015 3:39 pm

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Just read his ISO.

After his proposal got destroyed he didn't bother to pay attention to the game anymore and resorted to tree comments.
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Post Post #642 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2015 3:43 pm

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I haven't read a good chunk of the game cos I got frustrated and bored, I may or may not go back and read that section of the game

I have SC, Diego, Dechs solid scum Kitty, guille scum lean
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Post Post #643 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2015 3:48 pm

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Soren wrote:Sigh. So we're just playing with a troll?

This guy should get banned.

No. Actually go through WW's iso in that other game. Sure, there
is
a tree comment, a picture post, a video post, and lots of naked votes, but there is also tons more content. We've already seen more useless posts in this game than WW made in the entirety of that game.

Soren wrote:Just read his ISO.

After his proposal got destroyed he didn't bother to pay attention to the game anymore and resorted to tree comments.

I'd bet the timing has more to do with when he started to come under pressure.
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Post Post #644 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2015 3:54 pm

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Whomping Willow wrote:I haven't read a good chunk of the game cos I got frustrated and bored, I may or may not go back and read that section of the game

I have SC, Diego, Dechs solid scum Kitty, guille scum lean

If you are town please take the time to do so.
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Post Post #645 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2015 4:00 pm

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Going to be busy for tomorrow and the week end.
Other guy's going to cover.
I'll expect proper reads when I come back maybe.
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Post Post #646 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2015 5:28 pm

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@Kitty

Those are some pretty good points. I still don't think he's the best lynch for today though.

Does anyone else think it's strange that Soren has by far the most posts in this thread (127 of them), but we barely know what he thinks about other players?
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Post Post #647 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2015 5:38 pm

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prawneater wrote:Does anyone else think it's strange that Soren has by far the most posts in this thread (127 of them), but we barely know what he thinks about other players?

Not really. That's what happens when instead of making one post with 20 sentences in it, you make 20 consecutive posts with one sentence in each.

Yes, it ends up being a lot less content than the post count would otherwise imply, but he's hardly the least contributing player, and his posts do show signs of active reasoning and trying to figure out the game. I have a few issues with some of his posts, but overall, he's hardly the best lead.
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Post Post #648 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2015 9:08 pm

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KittyCupCake wrote:The odds of a game using this setup having
both
a player with 3 vanilla cards
and
a player with 3 negative utility cards is about 1 in 500. So, now we're stretching plausibility with these claims. -It is still, technically,
possible
, of course, but only barely. I'd wager on at least one of these extraordinary claims being a lie.


Do not get focused on the odds of a situation happening. Imagine rolling ten six sided die and they all come up the same number. Yeah, you'd never guess that it could happen, but you just saw it happen. There's no use in saying "The odds of that happening is implausible, so I can't believe it just happened."

I already showed you there's 25 cards I could have gotten that are Vanilla. The odds that I got three from that set are 0.59%. That's a pretty small chance of happening, but it did. At least with my claim, there are many ways to achieve the state of three vanilla cards. My combination is over three orders of magnitude easier to come by than any specific combination of three unique cards.

Let's say you have three unique cards. Doesn't matter which, just any three unique ones. What is the odds that you were dealt that specific three card combination? It's 0.000255%. If you told me your three cards, I could respond with "But that specific combination is only 0.000255% likely, so you must be lying." I'd be totally wrong, but I could say it.

So, don't think about how likely it is something happened and use that to make your decisions.

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Post Post #649 (ISO) » Thu Mar 12, 2015 9:24 pm

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copper223 wrote:Well, I have no idea what Dechs is about, I do know it's not helping town from where I am sitting, so that townread is gone.

How is what I'm doing not helping town?

I started by bringing my experience as scum in a similar setup to the table. I gave you guys
the successful scum strategy
I used then and kept us from going down that same path this game.

I'm discouraging people from being fooled by logical set ups and from mathematical fallacies. I'm trying to get people to focus on actual behaviors.

I'm focusing the pressure on WW and I'm trying to get him to take a stance and give us some content to actually analyze.

I'm trying to keep the day from rushing to a close before we've gotten solid stances from Diego and Ika (It'd be nice to get you guys' reads on the table before the day ends, regardless of whether we still want to lynch WW).

I tried breadcumbing my lack of role, but two people wouldn't leave it alone. To prevent it from being a drawn out, useless discussion, I just spelled it out. Yeah, disadvantage mine but what do I care? I'd rather we focus on the scum hunting. (Future note, guys, when someone's being cryptic like that, there's probably a reason, so try to figure it out)

I've provided
my entire meta
in response to someone asking about it. I'm a completely open book. I don't have anything to hide from you guys.

Which part of that is not helping town?
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